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Which 2nd bike.

Hi Guys,

I'm usually pretty good at figuring out what my needs are, but in this case, I may want to move outside my own box for suggestions.

Some here know my riding style, physical size, and most of my preferences, so I won't regrind those. Just let me know your TCW.

Basically, I always felt I wanted an R1100S as a second sportier ride that can handle some gear. However, the GS is appealing as well. The choice would be in the 2001-2004 vintage.

So, my question is, which one and why.

Also, please stick to these 2 Beemers if you would. If I go strictly the sportier route, I realize my options open up into an SV, older Aprilia, older Duc, any Jap 600R. Just wanted to see the groups opinion on the the GS vs R1100S.


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Hey, John. I don't know you or your riding style, but I always have an opinion. I have a friend who loves his R1100S and the way it carves the twisties. If it were me however, I would lean toward the GS because while not quite as sporty, it is more "flickable" than the LT on pavement and when the gravel or dirt roads beckon, it is perfectly at home there as well. JMTCW. I wish I had your dilemma. All I can say is see how many test rides of each type you can finagle, and let us know where you land.

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I don't know how you like to ride, but check out the ultimate "old man's sportbike" - The Ducati Mutlistrada - perfect compliment to an out and out touring bike. Tremendous fun and (mine has been) bulletproof over three seasons of active riding.

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The GS is so light and nimble, so you can still throw it around. You sit up straighter than on an R1100S so when you get old and frail you will be able to ride the GS.

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Might want to ride an RT just to see.. If you want to get dirty, then a GS.
If you really want to get off road, Then maybe an F650.
I sure like my RT. It's plenty comfy, Plenty fast, And as I've said many times.
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I don't think you could go wrong either way. I'd like to see you on a motard

If you don't plan on going on gravel roads or offroad, I'd go with the S.

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I don't think you could go wrong either way. I'd like to see you on a motard

If you don't plan on going on gravel roads or offroad, I'd go with the S.


You know though Neil, I think the S would rail through gravel and hard pack dirt just fine.


On the Motard, ever since I got my ass handed to me by a Can-Am at Road Atlanta, I've been thinking the same thing. Maybe a KTM. Just can't find one priced $5-6K

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Re: Which 2nd bike.

I believe you're right about the S and gravel

But here is some eye candy to think about.

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WOW, I have a look at the RT.. But wait, A GS.. Big dirty fun.. Both are capable, the GS wins in a few ways- the RT as well.
IF you prefer the elements- the GS is it. SInce ya got the LT, That is the one for me. GS!

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I would go for the GS. I think it can do everything the S can do and you would benefit from a more comfortable seat and riding position.

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I would go for the GS. I think it can do everything the S can do and you would benefit from a more comfortable seat and riding position.
That's kinda what I was wandering, and didn't want to miss the boat on this one.

Thanks for your input Randy.

Definitely will need to do extended rides on both. I already have some time on 1150 and 1200 RT's. They just aren't enough of a departure from the LT other than the boxer motor.

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I believe you're right about the S and gravel

But here is some eye candy to think about.

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...ighlight=sm610

OK, Neil. I gave the Husky a hard look. Thanks for finding me one so close too BTW

However, as much fun as those things are, I don't think I could handle one for more than a couple days at a time. Kinda like something I'd rather borrow than own. And I am really not a thumper fan.

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Geez John, I don't know which bike you'll end up with, but if you bring it to Ohio and invite me to ride part of the way home with you, could ya please give me a day's head start? On the LT you're in the 90th percentile, skill-wise (yeah, it's a made-up number). Given anything lighter and faster I'll never see you after the 3rd curve.

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Geez John, I don't know which bike you'll end up with, but if you bring it to Ohio and invite me to ride part of the way home with you, could ya please give me a day's head start? On the LT you're in the 90th percentile, skill-wise (yeah, it's a made-up number). Given anything lighter and faster I'll never see you after the 3rd curve.
Thanks Howard, but that is part of the problem. I have been planning a 2nd bike for a while. But after the front end tucked in on me with the LT, I'm getting a little more serious about something that doesn't weight the front end quite so much when riding solo on day trips.

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I have the R1100S and I am lo ving it . I have it set up with aftermarket seat Pegs lowered and barbacks so it is a very comefortable ride that can be manovered very well BUT as far as dirt, If it is not hard packed FORGET it. I take it to the range to go shooting and we have had a LOT of rain. In the slightly wet grass and the NJ sugar sand the bike is squirly to the dangerous point of I might not take it to the range anymore. This is something I do a lot and I wanted to incoperate the bike into it but trashing 1500 dolars worth of body work on a mud hole isn't fun anymore! If you are in wet off road conditions Go for the GS or compromise the tires on the R1100S ,But then you loose the street handling some! I guess what I am saying is BUY THEM BOTH! Hope this helps. J.Michael
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GS, and I wouldn't go the 1150/ 1200 route. The 800 is much more capable off-road, and it's more reliable... go figure- the one bike BMW doesn't make 100% of the parts on is their most reliable.

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Re: Which 2nd bike.

Get another LT :-)
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Hi Guys,

I'm usually pretty good at figuring out what my needs are, but in this case, I may want to move outside my own box for suggestions.

Some here know my riding style, physical size, and most of my preferences, so I won't regrind those. Just let me know your TCW.

Basically, I always felt I wanted an R1100S as a second sportier ride that can handle some gear. However, the GS is appealing as well. The choice would be in the 2001-2004 vintage.

So, my question is, which one and why.

Also, please stick to these 2 Beemers if you would. If I go strictly the sportier route, I realize my options open up into an SV, older Aprilia, older Duc, any Jap 600R. Just wanted to see the groups opinion on the the GS vs R1100S.


Thanks a ton.

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Come on now.........you know you want to get good and dirty.........I'd test the R/S........but I can assure you .........the way the GS handles............?............no contest....Get a second set of skins so you can go highway or off.....you can carry all sorts of stuff.......and it will probably out corner anything else on the road...........aside from the 'R/S'.............$ .02 from an aging a**hat................
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I have a fairly new RT and I am in the same boat as your , jonesin' for a second bike. I've been teetering between the GS models now offered and missed a helluva nice used deal on one recently I will be kicking myself about for some time. He who hesitates..........well anyway the GS is my choice for you, do what you want, but based on what i've heard about GS beemers I doubt in the real world an S would give as much pleasure much less as much diversity. That said, If my idea of fun was track days, I'd go with the s.

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... Some here know my riding style, physical size, and most of my preferences, so I won't regrind those. Just let me know your TCW...
After recent product announcements at BMW I'll offer a second opinion, John. The S1000 RR isn't on your short list, but you may be one of the very few people I know who are truly qualified to put it through its paces.

That $5k-$6k budget thing...? Well, we'll have to talk about that.

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After recent product announcements at BMW I'll offer a second opinion, John. The S1000 RR isn't on your short list, but you may be one of the very few people I know who are truly qualified to put it through its paces.

That $5k-$6k budget thing...? Well, we'll have to talk about that.
Ha! Funny to see this thread alive again. Yep, Howard, if money was no object, I think I would look right fine on one of those. Thanks for the plug too.

But as an update. I was scouring Ebay everyday for a while, then the job started getting iffy, (just fine for now, thanks) then my wife went and spent all the spare cash on a new travel trailer, (WTF????!!!!Over), and now I'm buried in a DIY kitchen renovation, (that's about another 12 Grand there) that has to be done by Thanksgiving. So haven't looked much. I was really focusing on a SV650S. That's probably just the ticket.

Of course I'll let everyone know if there is a tremor here in NC

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Hey John,

I would definitely go for the R1100S, mainly because I have the same craving! I sold my Yamaha FZ1 just after purchasing my 2010 R1200RT and although, I LOVE the RT, there is still a craving in my soul for something a little sportier for around town and 100 mile coffee shop hopping. The only downside to the R1100S is that it is eclipsed in the power department by the R1200S (120 vs. 98). I love the styling of the R1100 and will probably go that route myself, but I keep eying all the sale sights for a deal on a 1200.

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Five years ago my answer would have been different but these days I would go with the GS hands down. I still think they are ugly but the performance and versatility is hard to match.

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I could see a GS too! They are really sweet!!
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GS if you will be going off-road

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John created this thread almost a year ago. It's almost useless to keep replying to it at this point. Unless John is still deciding.

And for those of you that don't know John, he's one of the fastest riders ... if not THEE fastest rider in this forum.
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John created this thread almost a year ago. It's almost useless to keep replying to it at this point. Unless John is still deciding.

And for those of you that don't know John, he's one of the fastest riders ... if not THEE fastest rider in this forum.
Good point Joe! So, John, if you are out there, what did you get? Or ya still working on "Honey-dos"?

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Good point Joe! So, John, if you are out there, what did you get? Or ya still working on "Honey-dos"?

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Don't forget to try the R1200R. It is the best kept secret of BMW Motorrad. I can easily chase the crotch rocket crowd a lot more comfortably than they are. I can add the full luggage (same as the RT) and go cruising. It is easy to maintain and an absolute joy to ride anywhere.




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Yea, this one pops up again now and then. As a matter of fact the honey do's are done and the green light was given to go purchase a nice 2003 SV650S Easter weekend. I looked, I rode, and I told the guy I'd let him know.

Then I got back on the LT to head home through the mountains and that thing felt just fine. I came to realize on the ride home I didn't need more insurance paperwork, more licensing, more taxes, more maintenance, less space in the garage, and on and on. I'm going to be getting some shocks for the LT and that's a chunk of change in itself.

I called the fellow to let him know I wouldn't be pulling the trigger. Even though I found some nice Kaw ZZ-R 600's for only a few hundred bucks more than the SV, a fuel injected SV650S is what I would buy right now if I were to get that 2nd bike.

The LT moves me just fine. Thanks guys.

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Hi Guys,

I'm usually pretty good at figuring out what my needs are, but in this case, I may want to move outside my own box for suggestions.

Some here know my riding style, physical size, and most of my preferences, so I won't regrind those. Just let me know your TCW.

Basically, I always felt I wanted an R1100S as a second sportier ride that can handle some gear. However, the GS is appealing as well. The choice would be in the 2001-2004 vintage.

So, my question is, which one and why.

Also, please stick to these 2 Beemers if you would. If I go strictly the sportier route, I realize my options open up into an SV, older Aprilia, older Duc, any Jap 600R. Just wanted to see the groups opinion on the the GS vs R1100S.


Thanks a ton.
Here is my opinion, since you already have probably the best long distance touring bike, for a second one I would choose something totally different like the GS, but since like me you are on a tight budget I would give some thought about the Buell Lightning or the Ulyses, prices are about right, they are simple and fun to ride, again as a second toy
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