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I was wondering if anybody out there has tried the cooling vest made by Silver eagle. I would appreciate any comments on the effectiveness of the vest and if it is worth the money ($95) or any experiences you have with it.

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I have the cooling vest and have used it several times in the past two years. I wear it under a First Gear mesh jacket and it does a pretty good job. I rode when the temperature was 102 and stopped several times to wet it down. Got it too wet and got my bottom wet.
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I have one and love it. Here in CA it's dry enough that the evaporative properties really cool you quite well. Make sure you don't get one that is too large. I have an XL, and I am 6'3" 44L jacket size.

I just did a SS1000 through our heat wave, and was comfortable. On very hot days, you wet it down again every hour and a half to two hours.

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I have the cooling vest and have used it several times in the past two years. I wear it under a First Gear mesh jacket and it does a pretty good job. I rode when the temperature was 102 and stopped several times to wet it down. Got it too wet and got my bottom wet.
Does it work well in high humidity?

I have a First Gear mesh jacket & have been wearing an Under Armour Heat Gear long sleeved top underneath. So far, I have been pretty comfortable, but when the temps & humidity get into the 90s, it isn't nearly as effective as with the higher temps & low humidity. Though it's still much better than a cotton T-shirt under the First Gear mesh.

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I used mine in Richmond, VA once. Humid! Didn't work nearly as well, IMO.

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Does it work well in high humidity?

I have a First Gear mesh jacket & have been wearing an Under Armour Heat Gear long sleeved top underneath. So far, I have been pretty comfortable, but when the temps & humidity get into the 90s, it isn't nearly as effective as with the higher temps & low humidity. Though it's still much better than a cotton T-shirt under the First Gear mesh.
I did read somewhere that the evaporating vests don't work as well in high humidity. Wish it did as I thought I'd die from the heat today in Florida. Humidity must have been at least 95% when it wasn't raining. Actually the rain cooled things down and helped the ride as far as comfort was concerned... I don't own a vest and if I'm wrong please let me know.

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I did read somewhere that the evaporating vests don't work as well in high humidity. Wish it did as I thought I'd die from the heat today in Florida. Humidity must have been at least 95% when it wasn't raining. Actually the rain cooled things down and helped the ride as far as comfort was concerned... I don't own a vest and if I'm wrong pleas let me know.
Has anyone tried a non-evaporative vest such as this one?:
http://my.dmci.net/~watkinsrd/KoolJacket.htm

And air conditioned helmet, would be my first choice, but given what they cost and the bulk of the components, they're not a practical alternative.

http://www.fastraceproducts.com/page.../helmetcooling

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I did read somewhere that the evaporating vests don't work as well in high humidity. Wish it did as I thought I'd die from the heat today in Florida. Humidity must have been at least 95% when it wasn't raining. Actually the rain cooled things down and helped the ride as far as comfort was concerned... I don't own a vest and if I'm wrong please let me know.
Dano, if you try an evaporating vest in FL, you'll feel like your under a wet wool blanket! That's how it felt to me in VA.

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Dano, if you try an evaporating vest in FL, you'll feel like your under a wet wool blanket! That's how it felt to me in VA.
Dats sorta what I thought. I just don't think there is a comfortable solution to riding in Florida in the summer. If I didn't have to stop and start or get stuck in traffic, it would be OK, but that is not the case. It is just DAMN HOT !!!!! Can't wait for fall, my favorite time of the year around here....

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Has anyone tried a non-evaporative vest such as this one?:
http://my.dmci.net/~watkinsrd/KoolJacket.htm

And air conditioned helmet, would be my first choice, but given what they cost and the bulk of the components, they're not a practical alternative.

http://www.fastraceproducts.com/page.../helmetcooling
I own a phase change vest manufactured by a different company. It works really well, but will only last about 1.5 hours and then it needs to be recharged... while it is true they will re-freeze quickly in a chest full of ice water, ice water is not all that easy to come by when your out on the road. I am sure the KoolRider is very similar.
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BTW, mine is a Texas Cool Vest. The only reason I bought it was because when the war first started, they were shipping a lot of them to Iraq for our soldiers to use, so I figured they must work... and they do work... if you have a ice chest full of ice water you can throw the packs into every hour or hour and a half, they would work great.
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I've seen these products and wondered how they work. So what's the bottom line: does the Silver Eagle or similar product work in our humid summer weather? Even if it lasted for only an hour or so I'd be willing to stop and wet it down or whatever it takes, if practical.

I've heard some users say it feels slimy and gross to wear. Comments?

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I've seen these products and wondered how they work. So what's the bottom line: does the Silver Eagle or similar product work in our humid summer weather? Even if it lasted for only an hour or so I'd be willing to stop and wet it down or whatever it takes, if practical.

I've heard some users say it feels slimy and gross to wear. Comments?
PCM vests use a solution that actually freezes at around 60 degrees or so. The one I have has four removable packets (two in front and two in the back) that contain the solution. The vest is not even wet. I have found the the solution will keep you cool about 1 to 1.5 hours and then it has to be re-frozen. Since it freezes at around 60 degrees, it will freeze in ice water or a refrigerator. You could also carry extra solution packs in an ice chest.
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Which model do you have, Dean? Do you know if the Texas Cool Vest's Heavy Duty model allows for longer cooling than their standard models?

I also found this company that makes quite a few different products, including PC vests for dogs & helmet coolers:
http://50degree.com/

They also sell a 12v personal charging unit that can cool 2 vests at a time, but I don't know if it will charge a pack at the same rate the packs one is wearing are dis-charging. I tried to call them just now, but had to leave a voice mail.

Sounds like Phase Change is the way to go.

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I've seen these products and wondered how they work. So what's the bottom line: does the Silver Eagle or similar product work in our humid summer weather? Even if it lasted for only an hour or so I'd be willing to stop and wet it down or whatever it takes, if practical.

I've heard some users say it feels slimy and gross to wear. Comments?
I have one (Silver Eagle) and love it. Here in CA it's DRY enough that the evaporative properties really cool you quite well. Make sure you don't get one that is too large. I have an XL, and I am 6'3" 44L jacket size.

I just did a SS1000 through our heat wave (103 degrees), and was comfortable. On very hot DRY days, you wet it down again every hour and a half to two hours. It can last quite a bit longer if heat isn't extreme.

Yes, if you put it on too wet, you'll get wet. The secret is to put it on fairly damp, rather than soaking wet. "Recharge" requires about 24 oz. of plain old water and a plastic bag. Easily done while on the road. If it's too wet when you go to put it back on, just wring it out a bit, and wipe down the inside with the palm of your hand.

DOES NOT work well in HUMID locations (see earlier comments about when I used it in Richmond, VA) unless you enjoy the feeling of being under a wet wool blanket. In high humidity, the evaporative qualities are highly restricted, so much MUCH less cooling effect.

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Just spent the weekend riding in constant 113 degrees, with a hot spot of 117. The Owens Valley and across the central valley. The wet vest works fine, as has been mentioned. But I discovered when I put my CB(-2) windshield all the way up, the backflow hit me in the back of the neck and shoulders and really increased the cooling effect of the vest.
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I have one (Silver Eagle) and love it. Here in CA it's DRY enough that the evaporative properties really cool you quite well. Make sure you don't get one that is too large. I have an XL, and I am 6'3" 44L jacket size.

I just did a SS1000 through our heat wave (103 degrees), and was comfortable. On very hot DRY days, you wet it down again every hour and a half to two hours. It can last quite a bit longer if heat isn't extreme.

Yes, if you put it on too wet, you'll get wet. The secret is to put it on fairly damp, rather than soaking wet. "Recharge" requires about 24 oz. of plain old water and a plastic bag. Easily done while on the road. If it's too wet when you go to put it back on, just wring it out a bit, and wipe down the inside with the palm of your hand.

DOES NOT work well in HUMID locations (see earlier comments about when I used it in Richmond, VA) unless you enjoy the feeling of being under a wet wool blanket. In high humidity, the evaporative qualities are highly restricted, so much MUCH less cooling effect.
Thanks. That's exactly what I needed to know. Since our hottest days are almost always accompanied by high humidity, it doesn't seem to make sense to have one in Ohio or states with similar summer weather.

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I spoke with a woman at http://50degree.com/ about their phase change vests. She rides in FL and says the phase change packs stay cool for up to 3 hours, & recharge in 20 minutes in ice water. She also said they no longer sell the 12v refrigeration units. She also said the packs take a little longer to charge in the refrigeration or freezer units, but not longer than it would take the pack being used in the vest to discharge.

FL is a lot more humid than MN, which is where I do most of my riding. I ordered a couple of their helmet coolers & may wind up ordering a vest if the helmet coolers work out.

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I spoke with a woman at http://50degree.com/ about their phase change vests. She rides in FL and says the phase change packs stay cool for up to 3 hours, & recharge in 20 minutes in ice water. She also said they no longer sell the 12v refrigeration units. She also said the packs take a little longer to charge in the refrigeration or freezer units, but not longer than it would take the pack being used in the vest to discharge.

FL is a lot more humid than MN, which is where I do most of my riding. I ordered a couple of their helmet coolers & may wind up ordering a vest if the helmet coolers work out.
Be sure to give us a report on that helmet cooler! Thanks.

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Sure will, Brian. It should be here on Monday & I think we're suppose to have hot muggy weather next week.

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I spoke with a woman at http://50degree.com/ about their phase change vests. She rides in FL and says the phase change packs stay cool for up to 3 hours, & recharge in 20 minutes in ice water. She also said they no longer sell the 12v refrigeration units. She also said the packs take a little longer to charge in the refrigeration or freezer units, but not longer than it would take the pack being used in the vest to discharge.

FL is a lot more humid than MN, which is where I do most of my riding. I ordered a couple of their helmet coolers & may wind up ordering a vest if the helmet coolers work out.
I bought a hard hat cooler a few years ago, but could not make it work in my helmet. There isn't much spare room in a properly fitted helmet, so I hope it works for you.
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That's sort of what I was afraid of. My helmet has very little room as it is, so I'm guessing the thing will be too thick to be able to use.

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I finally tried the helmet cooler. I have very little room in my helmet, so the helmet sits a little higher on my head. As the media in the phase change packet melts, the helmet gets a little looser. Media only lasts about 45 min/hr in 90 degree heat.

I can see how they might give some releif on a hot day, but I think a phase change vest would work just fine.

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Bought the Cool Sport Motorcycle Cooling Vest.
http://www.coolsport.net/index2.html
It's discussed in earlier postings.
Cotton vest with two front and two rear pockets
that each hold a phase change material (PCM) cooling pack.
The PCM packs take about 20 minutes to recharge in ice water,
about an hour in the freezer.
Bought two sets of PCM packs.
One set to wear and one set to recharge
in the cooler on my Bushtec Quantum trailer.
Works for about an hour or more per charge.
Only a few minutes to swap out.
Have kept the spares in a small cooler when not pulling the trailer.
Comfortable, but a little bulky.

Later, bought the Chill Out evaporative vest.
Shango Rider had it at the GA Mountain Rally.
Bought the cowboy-style vest since it was shorter than the unisex vest.
Comes with a big plastic bag.
Fill with some water, soak the vest for about ten-fifteen minutes.
Even better, if you add ice.....
Wring out excess, if desired.
Feels about fifteen degrees cooler than ambient temp.

I use it under my RevIt Air Force or BMW Venting Jacket.
Not as cool as a PCM jacket, but easier to use.
Unlike the PCM, expect to get a little damp.
I like it since it takes up less room (vest + plastic bag).
When you stop for a beverage and bathroom break, get a beverage.
Add water and ice to the bag, soak the vest,
By the time you've finished the beverage,the vest is ready.

Haven't tried the Silver Eagle vest.
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