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post #1 of 23 Old Feb 17th, 2017, 6:15 pm Thread Starter
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GPS Maps update - R1200RT 2009

I have bought a 2009 (december) R1200RT that comes with an original GPS. The maps on the devoce are old - any one know how i can get or buy updated maps for the GPS? :-) From what i can see the GPS is made by Garmin.
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post #2 of 23 Old Feb 18th, 2017, 5:30 am
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Re: GPS Maps update - R1200RT 2009

I have a BMW Navigator IV from 2012, which last year decided the maps were now too old to be of real use. (I travel around Rotterdam frequently, and the roads have under gone major change!)

I bought from the local dealer the Garmin live updates card, followed the instructions and now I have a GPS with Live updates.

The only drawback if you have a Navigator IV is the maps are only updated at best twice a year. I am not sure how long this will continue, but it is probable that the updating frequency will diminish over time.

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Re: GPS Maps update - R1200RT 2009

Thank you for answer, i will check with Garmin online here too, maybe i can buy the card from them. It is a standard SD memory card, yes?
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I have a BMW Navigator IV from 2012, which last year decided the maps were now too old to be of real use. (I travel around Rotterdam frequently, and the roads have under gone major change!)

I bought from the local dealer the Garmin live updates card, followed the instructions and now I have a GPS with Live updates.

The only drawback if you have a Navigator IV is the maps are only updated at best twice a year. I am not sure how long this will continue, but it is probable that the updating frequency will diminish over time.

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The frequency should not change. Garmin always updates their maps twice a year. They've been doing it like this for as far as I can remember.
I have a lifetime map upgrade on 2 GPSs and this is how it's always been.

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The frequency should not change. Garmin always updates their maps twice a year. They've been doing it like this for as far as I can remember.
I have a lifetime map upgrade on 2 GPSs and this is how it's always been.
The Garmin lifetime updates is up to four (4) times a year. Each update has a .x added to the year.
The current is 2018.1
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Re: GPS Maps update - R1200RT 2009

Of course, you guys are assuming that the OP is located in US/Canada! I have a feeling that he is in Europe, which would make everything you said quite irrelevant!

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Re: GPS Maps update - R1200RT 2009

Garmin nuMaps lifetime update for Europe works the same way as nuMaps lifetime for North America.
You must already have a base map installed. In his case Europe.
Or he can buy for a little less, a one time update. https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/p/6299

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Garmin updates their maps about 4 times a year. Plug your GPS into the computer and open Garmin Express, it should tell you of map & other software updates ready to download. You will need an SD card since the maps are now almost bigger than available storage in the unit. 2018.10 is the newest map.
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Of course, you guys are assuming that the OP is located in US/Canada! I have a feeling that he is in Europe, which would make everything you said quite irrelevant!
Last time I checked Antwerp (Belgium) is in Europe. So my answer is European based! Not quite sure what the US/Europe differences in the responses are.

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The frequency should not change. Garmin always updates their maps twice a year. They've been doing it like this for as far as I can remember.
I have a lifetime map upgrade on 2 GPSs and this is how it's always been.
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Garmin updates their maps about 4 times a year. Plug your GPS into the computer and open Garmin Express, it should tell you of map & other software updates ready to download. You will need an SD card since the maps are now almost bigger than available storage in the unit. 2018.10 is the newest map.
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The Garmin lifetime updates is up to four (4) times a year. Each update has a .x added to the year.
The current is 2018.1
Garmin now have two sorts of maps. The latest map versions are updated up to 4 times a year, and the older sort (the GPS I have - BMW Navigator IV or Garmin 660 with a different badge - uses the older sort) appears to be updated twice a year.

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Thank you for answer, i will check with Garmin online here too, maybe i can buy the card from them. It is a standard SD memory card, yes?
Sorry I should have been a bit clearer. This is just a card with a code on it. The code is a digital unlock so you can download the lifetime updates. It is possible to buy a SD card - this is a ONE-OFF update, and costs almost as much as the lifetime updates.

I do not know what GPS you have, however as has already been stated the new maps no longer fit on the older devices. A Garmin 660 or BMW Navigator IV is an old device! so an SD card or restricted upload will be necessary.

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Re: GPS Maps update - R1200RT 2009

I wonder why would the 660 based Nav IV only update twice a year while my old zumo 550, which is older than the 660, could be updated four times a year? Isn't the Nav IV updated with Garmin Express?
As far as I know, the base software may be different but the maps are the same.

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Re: GPS Maps update - R1200RT 2009

The 550, and the 660 use the same set of maps, so when you receive an update (if it is for Europe) then I will also have access to it.

When my Nav IV was new the maps were indeed updated 4 times a year. However it is my understanding with the new set of maps NTU, the older maps are no longer updated as frequently. The title of the maps set is either NT (old map set) or NTU (new).

A new map set (NTU) has been released, yet the older version has not yet been updated.

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Re: GPS Maps update - R1200RT 2009

I had to look up what NT and NTU mean. The U being unicode needed for non latin characters in names.
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The maps in the NT and NTU versions are exactly the same. The difference is that the NTU version uses Unicode to encode names because many European languages require that so users can see/search names in their native language.

Newer devices can handle Unicode but older models cannot. The NTU maps should work in those units but names/searching may not.
When new maps come out, I always do the update. You could say I'm anal about it. LOL I have two Garmins and always update both at the same time. When I sold my 550, I had updated it to 2016.40. This is why I'm puzzled as to why the Nav IV would update only twice a year.
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The 550, and the 660 use the same set of maps, so when you receive an update (if it is for Europe) then I will also have access to it.

When my Nav IV was new the maps were indeed updated 4 times a year. However it is my understanding with the new set of maps NTU, the older maps are no longer updated as frequently. The title of the maps set is either NT (old map set) or NTU (new).

A new map set (NTU) has been released, yet the older version has not yet been updated.
Speaking of Nav V only, but this probably apply to Nav IV as well - old maps are not kept on the system! When you update the map, the old one gets over-written, That is why I still don't need, nor have, an expansion micro-SD card in my Nav V.

BTW, regarding your earlier comment, I know where you are located. My comment was directed at the other two guys who are in Canada and the US! That also brings up this most recent discussion about how many updates/year. You need to compare apple-to-apple, which means that you can't compare the number of updates/year of European map to North America map! Heck, the Aussie and NZer have their map updated once a year, if that, based on what I had read!!

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Because someone is based in Canada/US it doesn't mean they don't travel and don't use a European gps.
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...BTW, regarding your earlier comment, I know where you are located. My comment was directed at the other two guys who are in Canada and the US! ...
If I had given offense then please forgive me! It certainly was not my intention.

Regarding the NAV V not requiring a SD Card - this is because the storage is somewhat larger than the NAV IV.

In terms of current maps. The latest map set for the older units is: 2017.20 As at last weekend A new update was not available. However a new one could have been released. Since I now have lifetime updates I am also diligent in keeping the maps up-to-date (I prefer that to anal!)

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If I had given offense then please forgive me! It certainly was not my intention.

Regarding the NAV V not requiring a SD Card - this is because the storage is somewhat larger than the NAV IV.

In terms of current maps. The latest map set for the older units is: 2017.20 As at last weekend A new update was not available. However a new one could have been released. Since I now have lifetime updates I am also diligent in keeping the maps up-to-date (I prefer that to anal!)
No, you did not give offense at all!

I don't know the size of the storage on the Nav IV, and that was why I was specific about the reference to Nav V. However, there is very little spare room in Nav V storage, and I had to clear away a lot of aux. files that were stashed in there. Again, I am assuming that Nav IV is similar, and if so, you should hook it up to your computer and see what files can be deleted to free up some rooms! For example, I deleted all the manuals, and files for languages that I know I will never use. If you are not sure if a file can be deleted, leave it alone. To be completely safe, I copied everything onto my hard drive for backup before starting the deletions.

Nonetheless, map update still overwrite the old map, and so you shouldn't have any storage issue with your updates. I am also quite diligent with my map updates. One other hint, if you are not doing it already, and that is when you update the map on the Nav. take a couple extra seconds to change the update option so that the update will be done on your computer as well. Now, for whatever reasons, the old maps ar retained on your computer and not overwritten! Very handy!

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The Garmin lifetime updates is up to four (4) times a year. Each update has a .x added to the year.
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Because someone is based in Canada/US it doesn't mean they don't travel and don't use a European gps.
What does that have to do with anything, eh???

Look at what you said in the above quote and tell me that the European map is at 2018.1!

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Look at what you said in the above quote and tell me that the European map is at 2018.1!
You seem to have missed the context of my reply to Dann323 who is a Canuckian just like me. He had said his updates were twice a year, as far as he remembered and it had always been so, I said mine was four and is now at 2018.10.
Nothing to do with Europe in that answer. AFAIK, the latest version of nuMaps Lifetime Europe should still be 2017.30.

I checked what Garmin says about updates to nuMaps. The old nuMaps Lifetime Europe was good for up to 4 updates, the same as North America.
The current Garmin offer is up to 3 updates a year. This, from the Garmin UK site: nuMaps Lifetime
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Glad to hear it!

As the Nav V is a new(er) model Garmin increased the size of the storage. Not sure of the size of the 660/Nav IV but these days the European map does not fit on the internal memory. Even when I have knocked out all the non-essential files. This had been given on the Zumo forums previously. (I am also a member there.) From what you said, it seems as if in an update or two the Nav V will also have storage issues.

You do not know it (or at least I hope not! ) I also make use of the maps on the computer. It is where I do all my route planning, storage of waypoints (and the administration), track storage etc. Unfortunately due to having to reinstall the computer the original map set, and the Open Maps I had created were lost!

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Glad to hear it!

As the Nav V is a new(er) model Garmin increased the size of the storage. Not sure of the size of the 660/Nav IV but these days the European map does not fit on the internal memory. Even when I have knocked out all the non-essential files. This had been given on the Zumo forums previously. (I am also a member there.) From what you said, it seems as if in an update or two the Nav V will also have storage issues.

You do not know it (or at least I hope not! ) I also make use of the maps on the computer. It is where I do all my route planning, storage of waypoints (and the administration), track storage etc. Unfortunately due to having to reinstall the computer the original map set, and the Open Maps I had created were lost!
Perhaps we have a little misunderstanding here, but what I was trying to say was that the Nav V should not need any external storage space for the map updates. So far, I have gone through 14 updates, and I still have room left over in the Nav V's internal storage. I have had the European map (the full Europe) on my Nav V as well, when I went over to ride in Scotland in 2015, but of course I had to put that on a micro-SD card along with the routes that I had planned for the ride. I will be doing similar thing this coming November/December when I go down under to ride in New Zealand, but that will be with the Australia-New Zealand map, of course.

Too bad about the lost maps, but things like that do happen, and that is why I always preach back-up to my friends and family!

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You seem to have missed the context of my reply to Dann323 who is a Canuckian just like me. He had said his updates were twice a year, as far as he remembered and it had always been so, I said mine was four and is now at 2018.10.
Nothing to do with Europe in that answer. AFAIK, the latest version of nuMaps Lifetime Europe should still be 2017.30.

I checked what Garmin says about updates to nuMaps. The old nuMaps Lifetime Europe was good for up to 4 updates, the same as North America.
The current Garmin offer is up to 3 updates a year. This, from the Garmin UK site: nuMaps Lifetime
Why, silly me, I thought that you guys were trying to help the OP who had started this thread and asking for advice!!!

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Why, silly me, I thought that you guys were trying to help the OP who had started this thread and asking for advice!!!
Well, you know, GPS threads are the new oil threads...
We kind of wander around.
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Why, silly me, I thought that you guys were trying to help the OP who had started this thread and asking for advice!!!
I thought we had answered the OP. There has been quite a discussion about switching from a single map to lifetime maps. How to do it, buy what is needed etc.
We have now moved on and are having a chat. I am having a nice friendly chat with PadG! Do please try to keep up! :grin :P (Just kidding on the last part!)

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...Too bad about the lost maps, but things like that do happen, and that is why I always preach back-up to my friends and family!
Believe it or not, I had backed up the maps. I even used the GMTK to back them up! Obviously I suffered an ID10T error! While it was annoying it was not a major problem as I had Lifetime updates. It would have been a major problem without it.
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