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2015 R1200 R front suspension

I am not sure I understand what kind of front suspension BMW have put on the new R. They tell us about ESA, but are those golden inverted front forks some kind of electronic forks, albeit without Telelever, and how do they work? Or are they just conventional sliding forks, thus contradicting the ESA claim? Thank you.
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Same as conventional forks mounted upside Down (USD) which has been the norm for modern sport bikes. They would have had to split the radiator in two to fit the Telelever in . That'd have been ugly on a naked bike.
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Re: 2015 R1200 R front suspension

It's a cost saving measure, not an improvement.

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Couldn't it be a cost saving measure and an improvement?
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Re: 2015 R1200 R front suspension

It's a "feature". They all do that.


And Now the really important question .....







What Kind of Oil Do I Use In The Forks ????

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Re: 2015 R1200 R front suspension

So, basically, when BMW claim ESA on the new R, with all its (undeniable) virtues, it's only half true, right?
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Couldn't it be a cost saving measure and an improvement?
That would be a first.
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Re: 2015 R1200 R front suspension

What matters is how it works in comparison. I think it looks better with standard forks and maybe the new computerized DDC is superior to the older single shock ESA system. If that's the case it makes sense from all respects. It may also attract new buyers to BMW who were turned off by the older designs in a roadster and naked bike. It seemed to be a major hit with the S1000RR and R.

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I am not sure I understand what kind of front suspension BMW have put on the new R. They tell us about ESA, but are those golden inverted front forks some kind of electronic forks, albeit without Telelever, and how do they work? Or are they just conventional sliding forks, thus contradicting the ESA claim? Thank you.
The forks are ESA (if they are gold) the silver forks are conventional. Why do you doubt they have the functionality? Just because they don't look ugly like all the other ESA shocks?

Now granted I am not sure if they have pre load adjustment but that alone is not criteria for ESA as long as damping can be adjusted electronically they meet the requirement.

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It's a "feature". They all do that.


And Now the really important question .....







What Kind of Oil Do I Use In The Forks ????
Just because an issue is of no interest to YOU means it is of no interest to everybody?
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The forks are ESA (if they are gold) the silver forks are conventional. Why do you doubt they have the functionality? Just because they don't look ugly like all the other ESA shocks?

Now granted I am not sure if they have pre load adjustment but that alone is not criteria for ESA as long as damping can be adjusted electronically they meet the requirement.
«Just because they don't look ugly...» Do you think I am THAT stupid? Besides, I don't find the ESA forks much uglier than the RS' forks. So, there.

I doubt they have what BMW have always called ESA just because I don't see how you can have front ESA and it's coil spring and paraphernalia, offering both pre-load and damping adjustments without the Telever. Hence my QUESTION. That was a question, you see, and I don't think it deserved your contemptuous comment.
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«Just because they don't look ugly...» Do you think I am THAT stupid? Besides, I don't find the ESA forks much uglier than the RS' forks. So, there.

I doubt they have what BMW have always called ESA just because I don't see how you can have front ESA and it's coil spring and paraphernalia, offering both pre-load and damping adjustments without the Telever. Hence my QUESTION. That was a question, you see, and I don't think it deserved your contemptuous comment.
You said it I didn't and you were the one that came off negative and doubtful from the get go.

Well why can't you have it in a fork? I have seen forks you can adjust manually they are every where, but make it controlled by a button it is now ESA. Electronically Adjusted Suspension.

I have a full ESA shock on my LT rear from Wilbers and it has full preload and damping adjustment on the fly, plus it looks good. My GS had "ugly" ESA shocks (large blocks of hardware external to the shock) on my GS. That is all I was referring to.
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You said it I didn't and you were the one that came off negative and doubtful from the get go.

Well why can't you have it in a fork? I have seen forks you can adjust manually they are every where, but make it controlled by a button it is now ESA. Electronically Adjusted Suspension.

I have a full ESA shock on my LT rear from Wilbers and it has full preload and damping adjustment on the fly, plus it looks good. My GS had "ugly" ESA shocks (large blocks of hardware external to the shock) on my GS. That is all I was referring to.
Exactly where did I SAY they didn't have ESA? I was not negative, nor doubtful. I ASKED TWO QUESTIONS! This is what my original post read like:

«I am not sure I understand what kind of front suspension BMW have put on the new R. They tell us about ESA, but are those golden inverted front forks some kind of electronic forks, albeit without Telelever, and how do they work? Or are they just conventional sliding forks, thus contradicting the ESA claim? Thank you.»

You probably missed the two question marks. These little signs indicate a QUESTION. How about just ANSWERING said questions, instead of replying like I was some kind of moron?
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Or are they just conventional sliding forks, thus contradicting the ESA claim? Thank you.»

You probably missed the two question marks. These little signs indicate a QUESTION. How about just ANSWERING said questions, instead of replying like I was some kind of moron?
Again you said it I didn't. And I did answer the question with "The forks are ESA (if they are gold) the silver forks are conventional."

I should leave this area of the forum as I do not own an RT at this time.

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John,

I am disappointed that someone is upset with your comments. I have always found you to be supportive and informative. My own experience dealing with you can only be described as positive.

Please continue to impart the knowledge that you have amassed from your own experiences and those that fellow web members have passed onto you.

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