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Question K1200gt Abs---help!!!!

Please understand my frustration:
I can honestly say this...I WILL NEVER purchase another motorcycle that has ABS nor will I ever recommend that anyone be so foolish to do so.... Caveat emptor....buyer beware, warranty or not!!!

My story: I finally returned to BMW after several years of ownership of "other" asphalt eaters after letting go of my 1981 R100RS and I recently bought a used 2004 GT "as is" with less than 24K original miles on it... not even 4K on it and I suffer an ABS failure. The very essence of my failure is that I do not have ABS, resulting in the following deficiencies: lost my speedo/odo, cruise control, etc. The bike is still rideable, which I do for commuting to/from work and have since maintained a mileage log recorded with every ride. The entries are sometimes entered with SWAG calculations, but tend to be as acurate as possible to the best of my abilities.


My faith in German engineering is shattered!

The dealership who sold the ride says I need a new motor controller. The modern rendition of "the Wizard of OZ" analytical toy they use behind the curtain in the backroom/dungeon of mechanical repair wizardry says it has suffered catastrophic failure. YES INDEED! a $3K ($1500 part/$1500 labor "guesstimate") repair bill for my wallet is catastrophic!!! I tend to believe this initial interpretation of the OZ tool was initially confusing and was immediately referred to the Dept of Alchemy (making of gold from others) for their specialized diagnostics input.

I read posts that others say they put in brake fluid, new brake pads and charge the battery. I have also seen postings on other BMW owners sites that this could be as simple as a "relay" that could be the culprit. Can the ABS system itself be bypassed altogether in order to recover Speedo/odo operation?

The bike is perhaps one of the nicest rides I have ever owned (although my heart still lies with my old RS ) and because of this failure, I am very reluctant to recommend ABS to anyone from any manufacturer being produced.

Despite my disappointment, I would like to maintain my GT ownership (along with my wallet) and I reach out to any/all with a sympathetic ear who may have also suffered my situation as well as their findings/remedies to cure this ill. Thank you.

Correspondence through my e-mail is welcomed as well. I am currently in Iraq and will be returning late April.

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Re: K1200gt Abs---help!!!!

Never wanting ABS again just because of one failure from one manufacturer is kinda like never wanting tires again after your first flat. There's just not a lot of logic there ... with all due respect.

My current bike is a 2010 Kaw Concours14 WITH ABS! Frankly, I'm not sure I'll ever own another bike without ABS. Not one that's a long-distance tourer anyway. This is my third bike with ABS (first an '02 LT, then an '06 GT, and now the Connie), and I not only love it, but trust in it. If my '83 Honda had ABS, I wouldn't have crashed back in '95. But that's a whole other story.

Having said ALL of that, I feel your pain and can empathize with you. The second year I owned my '06 GT, I started having ABS issues. Fortunately, the bike was still under warranty. But after two rounds with two separate BMW dealers, I STILL was having the intermittent ABS brake lights flashing. They couldn't seem to figure it out. Between that and a failed final drive earlier that year, I lost all confidence in the bike and the dealers in my area that support it. (My favorite dealer near me closed that year. ) That October, I sold the GT (with the ABS issue still there), and set my sights on a Connie. Not that I won't ever buy another BMW. I just need to find a better dealer to support the product.

Good luck with getting your issues completely resolved. This board is awesome, and hopefully someone in your area will come along and rescue you ... for a fraction of the $3000 you've been quoted. But don't lose your faith in ABS. And don't even get me started on traction control. I'm starting to *need* that as much as ABS.

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Re: K1200gt Abs---help!!!!

I will jump in and say that from this point on, I will buy only motorcycles with ABS.

I am truly sorry to hear about your bike's ABS failure and the resulting cost, but I wouldn't compromise on safety. In my opinion, ABS provides such a significant safety boost that it is worth the risk of failure and potential expense. I have over 30 years of near daily riding experience, and have taken too many safety training classes to count, mostly on bikes without ABS, It is technically possible to out-perform ABS on a comparable non-ABS bike, but I have found that in most situations it doesn't work out that way. The last two classes I took, I was best in the class during the braking exercises, and I believe that the credit goes to the ABS system on my K1200GT. (Note: I have a different BMW ABS system on my 2007 K1200GT, not the "servo" one that is on your 2004 K1200GT, which is a very different motorcycle than mine.)

I hope (and believe) that ABS failures like yours are reasonably rare.

Perhaps the dealer can help soften the blow by offering some type of discount on the repair. Even though you bought your K1200GT "AS IS", a responsible dealer should have inspected it thoroughly before the sale, fixed any obvious issues, and found no imminent failures, such as on your ABS. 4,000 miles isn't a lot - there should be some shimmy room on the repair costs and the dealer should step up to owning responsibility to have provided you with a decent working bike. By buying from a dealer, you were relying on their experience and professional expertise to inspect the bike thoroughly. (Note that there is a inherent conflict of interest where the dealer is acting as the seller and the "impartial" inspector.) Nonetheless, customer goodwill and a high reputation should be important to the dealer, too. Just my 2 cents worth.
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Joe-
Thanks for jumping in! Yeah, I admit I was a little harsh, but then again... frustration does run high. I get it on the ABS. It is awesome to have WHEN it works. My craw is somehow, shelling out that kind of money (for a part that is actually smaller than a small box of kleenex) that is more than 1/2 of what the bike is actually worth (KBB) is a very tough pill to swallow. Anyways, I'll get off my soapbox...

When I return from Iraq, I am going to charge the battery, flush the system, check the sensors and lead wires, try to locate that mysterious "relay" I read about as well as inspect the pads. In the meantime I hope somebody out there who has experienced the same dilemma can dial me in on the best way to resolve my situation as economically possible.

Also, I am very happy to become a member of this site. Thank you for having me. I am really quite a fun loving person... but this ABS has got the better of me and it is maddening because I can normally figure things out and well.... My wife has threatened to sell the thing IF I don't change my attitude on this ABS issue...LOL!!

"The Admiral" (wife) is always right!!!
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XMagnaRider-
Thank you. I did write to the owner of the dealership and he responded that he would get back to me to help make things right. Well, that was over 6 months ago and I haven't heard a thing since I replied that I would be looking for his follow up response. hmmmmm

I won't give up that easily, but as I responded in an earlier input...it is a very tough pill to take on a part (and labor) that is so small and over 1/2 the KBB value of the bike itself! (makes me when I return from Iraq to want to get out of the business of disarming bombs and get my own dealership.. )

OK to anybody out there that has experineced an ABS failure on 2004 or earlier, I would appreciate your advise and help.
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Re: K1200gt Abs---help!!!!

I hate to be the one to say it, but that's exactly what "as-is" means . . .

If you bought from a dealer, they should make it right. If you bought from a private party, well then I'm sorry.

Also, I've asked that this thread be moved into the
Other K-Bikes Discussion
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As you've already discovered, common issues with older ABS bikes are weak battery causing the warning lights to come on, low fluid causing the warning lights to come on, worn pads causing low fluid and warning lights. You could also have old, gummy brake fluid causing the internal ABS solenoids to stick. Or it could simply be a broken wheel speed sensor or wire, which would also account for the lack of speedo.

So your proposed plan is correct: charge battery, inspect wheel speed sensors, and completely flush out all old brake fluid. There is a set of instructions for how to do this on Brick RS/GT bikes, but I don't have that link handy at the moment. There may also be a guy who can rebuild these older ABS units, but again, I don't have a direct link.

After all of that, see where you stand and maybe we can offer additional advice.

As for the ABS debate, I've ridden the last 300K miles on ABS bikes, and I won't buy another bike without it, period. If you never need it then no big deal, but the one time it saves your ass it's worth whatever extra you paid for it . . .

Good luck, and thanks for your service.

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Re: K1200gt Abs---help!!!!

Meese-
Thank you!
Being new to this site, how does one transfer the topic of discussion as you mentioned, or... has it already been transferred? Still have to travel around inside this website to figure my compass bearings...LOL!! Thanks for your support/advise....much appreciated!

Respectfully,

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Re: K1200gt Abs---help!!!!

This sure sounds more like a sensor on the rear drive issue. The common things about that sensor are that it also runs the speedometer, which of course is part of the cruise control system.


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Re: K1200gt Abs---help!!!!

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This sure sounds more like a sensor on the rear drive issue. The common things about that sensor are that it also runs the speedometer, which of course is part of the cruise control system.


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After looking at the wiring diagram I tend to agree. But it is either the sensor itself or the main board in the ABS unit. Since the controller takes the signal from the wheel sensor and passes it to the speedometer. The main board could still be the culprit.

Worth a check anyway. PN 34522333490 is $118.00.

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Re: K1200gt Abs---help!!!!

The topic has already been moved to the correct forum by a friendly Admin.

Sorry I was a bit general here, but it's been a while since I've worked with the older ABS systems. I'm sure some of the guys here can be more specific to your case.

Good luck on getting it resolved.

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Kellenbenz & Jzeiler-
Many thanks to you. So... I am NOT crazy after all?? Within reason.... LOL

rear wheel Speedsensor is linked to the speedo as well as the cruise control...thats good news to know. Now is the speedsensor a vital link to the ABS? Having this sensor fail, would that cause the ABS to not function as well? (forgive my ignorance, for I do not have a repair manual in front of me to review.)

How would one go about testing the sensor when it is removed? assuming that it is of electrical orientation, is there an electrical impedance or value that it should carry when operational vs damaged if I put a mulitmeter to it? I guess taking it to another dealer that I didn't buy the bike from and have them test it would confirm this as well... and if it is indeed bad, well I am right there to buy a new one....

Keeping my fingers crossed, $120 is far more easier of a bill to deal with when compared to a complete ABS pump replacement......

Thanks again for your thoughts...well appreciated.... only 49 days until I leave Iraq!
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Thank you for your service Captain Dave.

I don't know exactly how to check but there are two of them so meter comparisons may show a fault. Often it is a cable tie that has cut into the wiring and caused an open so that should be pretty evident. Good luck with it.

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Re: K1200gt Abs---help!!!!

I am working a similar situation on my 2004 GSA. Dealer wants to replace unit = $2400.00. Parts only.
Going to have the whole system checked, flushed, etc. first.
These are not just ABS systems but, Power assist braking with ABS. At least on my LT and GS. Nice system when it works.

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