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post #1 of 57 Old Oct 25th, 2009, 2:18 am Thread Starter
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I held off posting this for a few days

Another disturbance to the HDDC forcefield.

I went down on Wednesday night right after I left the restaurant. Mis-judged the entrance to a left hand turn only lane and hit the curb. Speed was around 15-20 mph. Bike came to an abrupt stop and I went flying off to the right side of back.

Landed straight on my knee. Broke the tibia plateau. If it is a clean brake, no surgery will beneeded. If the plateau has moved it will take 3 months to heal after surgery.

My pain treshold is pretty good but this one is on another level. Worst I have experienced.

I want to thank Bob Rasters, his daughter Nicole (sp?) and her boyfriend for their help. The good samaritan who also stopped and helped move the bike to a more secure spot off the road.

I have yet to asess damage to the bike due to being unable to put any weight on the broken leg. I know the upper right fairing and the brake lever were damaged.

This was one of the rare times that Patty was able to join us for dinner. What a night. After going to ER at 9:30 pm, I was X-rayed and then had to wait till 3:30 to be seen. They gave me an immobilizer and pain medicine and sent us home. I get to see the orthopedic surgeon on Tuesday. 6 days afdter the incident. A CT scan will be done to see if there is ligament damage. My knee was twice as big as the left one on Thursday.

Obviously, the other shoe will drop after the surgery.

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Raffy, we are all pulling for you to heal fast, and though it sounds lame, you know if you need ANYTHING all you have to do is call any of us. Doug and I can come up next Saturday and pull the fairing off of the Duc if you are ready to investigate that situation.

But concentrate on yourself right now and healing, the rest can be taken care of later.

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Raffy,
What a bummer, Sorry to hear you got banged up. Hopefully its just the break and you don't have ligament damage. heal well

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Ouch, that just sounds too painful.

Here's hoping surgery isn't required, and in any event you heal quickly and completely. If you were in Ohio I'd congratulate you on timing it towards the end of the prime riding season but since you are in California I can't do that.

Take care of yourself.

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Dang, Raffy!

Hope your recovery is quick and minimally painful...
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Raffy,

You are in my prayers for a speedy recovery.

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So sorry to hear about it Raffy. I know about that 'few seconds to screw up' statement better than most. Good luck and keep us posted.

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Sorry to hear about the accident. Take care of your self and get well quickly. I guess m/c riding is like flying. Any landing you can walk away is by nature a good one?
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Raffy, bummer! Hope they can control the pain while you heal. And when it comes time for that PT do what they say. It does work. Meanwhile, remember that it is good to have friends, and you have a ton of us! So if there is anything we can do just call. It sounds like the Nor Cal group is already rallying to your assistance as expected though.

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Let me know if you need a chauffeur anytime.
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Gosh Raffy. I am truly sorry to hear of your misfortune. I wish you a speedy and full recovery.

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Raffy, sorry to hear about your mishap. Hope you heal quick.

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Raffy, so sorry man...!
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Major bummer! Here's hoping you heal quickly, and it's obvious that you have a great many friends here who are ready to help out whenever you need it, don't hesitate to ask. It's never a problem to help out a friend. Get well soon.

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Dang Raffy, you have to quit doing this. Hope you heal quick and the domestic repercussions aren't too bad.

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I'm really sorry to hear about your accident, Raffy. I hope the pain is manageable and the healing process is quick and complete. If there is anything I can do to help let me know.

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Very sorry to hear that anyone is hurt, but when it hits close to home to those you know, it hurts just that much worse . Speedy (or in your case S-L-O-W-E-R, as in slow down!) recovery. If you need anything I am just around the corner at the nut house ! Some place you may want to steer clear of for a while!!

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Raffy Sorry I just looked in to see what's happening Ouch! I hope you have a fast recovery.

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Raffy, here's to a quick and full recovery. Give me a holler if you need any help with anything.

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Damn Raffy, all this time figured you to be one of those riders that knew the golden rules

One .. being we have 2 kinds of riders, those who have been down and those that will. Being the latter more than once now ... bummer !

Second .. DAMMIT you have a wife and kids !! .... Some soul searching is in order here !

I consider you a Friend and with that comes free advise.

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Raffy,

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Hey Raffy,
I feel for ya bud. You know I'm only a few blocks away during work hours if you need anything - Lunch, a ride or anything just call.
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Raffy, I looked in to see what's going on and see this. Hope you heal on your own without
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Thanks everyone for the good wishes,help offered and advice.

Spent another 9 hours in Emergencty due to a fever associated with infection of an open wound (small and easy to miss) on the shin. Now I have cellulitis wich looks like a rash.

Good news is no cast or surgery.

Tomorrow I get to see the Orthopedic specialist to assess the situation.

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That is good news. Hope the ortho gives you a clean bill of health, so to speak.

Beware of the celluitus, that is some bad mojo. That's what I got when I crashed in Death Valley when you and I were racing along that gravel road. It got into my blood, and still reoccurs occasionally years later... be careful and take all of your meds...

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Raffy - Sorry to hear about this. Get well quickly. I hope Patty is taking it well too.

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Glad things didn't go worse. A knee injury is very painfull....That sucks...

Raffy, you're gonna have to stop lookin' at all the girls and start paying attention to where you're going.

Heal up and hopefully the shoe won't drop too hard....

Maybe a Corvette would be a nice alternative to a bike...

Or a nice Jeep....Or an old ratty jeep that you could take out and roll over.....
Yeah, that's the ticket...

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Raffy, at least you were going slow - good luck on a speedy and full recovery.

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My thoughts about riding again when I was down like Raffy....

Since starting to ride seriously again in the summer of '01 at age 50, I was without a bike for 7 months in '04 for my first accident. And I was without a bike for 21 months after my second accident in June of '07. Although a much lesser hurt, that last time I was without a bike mostly because of slow business and personal finances. I had other priorities that needed to be addressed first before riding again. That and living in ME.

Thinking about riding or what I had lost seemed trivial to me in the first days/weeks after the incidents. Riding was not on my mind. My hurt took precedent.

Then when a little time passed, I was without a bike and it started to haunt me. Just a little at a time. Incremental mental dings. I would go to dinners (HDDC) with my riding friends and still have an equally good time but when it was time to leave is when it hit me the most. And reading about all the annual rides in NorCal including CCR too.

I decided to ride again because I haven't got it out of my system yet. Raffy and all are responsible for this. You guys did this to me. Shame on you. I find that there is really nothing quite like motorcycling or just having one in the garage at the ready. I started riding again last April on an old Honda. I managed to put 4k miles on it in 10 weeks of riding around here. I was driving a car and pickup back and forth to CA for half the summer. My brother's buying it from me in the spring (so I'll have someone to ride with) and I'll look for a later model touring bike then to ride next spring around here and to CCR, etc

I have responsibilities too just like everyone else. I can't afford to be down and out. But yet I have managed to buy a snowmobile (dangerous equipment), an old vintage bike (dangerous equipment) and ride an atv (brothers) (dangerous equipment) like it was meant to be ridden. Not carelessly but spirited. Just like the sled but not so much the old bike. It scrapes in any hard turns. I'm very careful and know my limits and the bikes limits. Sledding has a whole new range of potential disasters waiting around every turn. Probably more dangerous than motorcycling. Don't know the stats but a lot of people get hurt of killed on them every year in this part of the country.

It sucks being human and not being able to see into the future. Don't let anyone tell you to reconsider your one true passion in life second to your family. Shit happens. You were probably well protected and wear a helmet for yourself and especially for your family. You didn't see the curb in time is all. You're not losing your mind and are always careful like the rest of us. It just happens quick sometimes. I went out on a 150 mile ride yesterday and thought of you. I'm on an old, non abs, scraping on any big turn, bulky barrel on wheels that is probably not the safest bike around. Good thing I have all that experience riding so many different bikes over the years, like you. And I know that at any second I could be a passenger on my own bike and sliding in a prone position due to myself, mechanical problems or just other bad drivers. Good motorcyclistss habits, well maintained bikes and anticipation of other drivers inattention make the three threats minimal.

I guess my point here is that it is a personal decision how to spend a life. Motorcycling is a passion to some which should always be second to family. But a family with a member whose passion is broken or demoralized may be not the answer ether. So don't despair about riding again until riding again is possible. Just enjoy all the other dozens of things that interest you until the fever hits you down the road. No worry's mate.

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Nicely said Roger! Raffy, after looking for days after HDDC and not seeing any posts of the incident, I figured it was an uneventful dust off not even worthy of a mention. So sorry to hear you got hurt Hope everything goes well at the Doctors today.

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Raffy, I have been gone a few days. Just take every one else's comments and add mine to it. Get well quick my friend.

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Glad to hear that your not beat up any than you are, I wish we had time to talk in FB. As everyone else if there is anything we can do to help out, need the bike hauled somewhere or anything give me a call or drop me a email. Hope the dock has good things to say at the next meeting.
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Re: I held off posting this for a few days

Thanks everyone for the good wisdom. Roger good analysis.

I do ATGATT 90% of the time. Wednesday I had everything on except riding pants. Just jeans. Riding pants would not have mattered. It was an impact break.

Here is the real culprit: Spectacles. I was not wearing my prescription glasses and that caused me to mis-judge the curb. In my haste to leave for dinner they stayed behind because I wasn't smart enough to go back in and get them.

Right now, I don't have a leg to stand on as far as riding is concerned.



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Saw the second specialist this morning (orthopedic surgeon). No need for surgery unless a different view of the cat scan says otherwise.

Went from an immobilizer to a hinged brace. Doc wants me to be able to bend the kneee full motion as long as it is not painful. No weight on the foot for 8 weeks. I'll be using crutches along with the hinged brace.



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Raffy,
Sorry to have come across as the only doom and gloom poster of "Get well" wishers.
Your unfortunate riding mishaps just hit a tad too close to home with me.
Going down when my son was @ 3 years old and all the injuries from it had me hang up the street bike for 15 years. Give Patty a big hug, kids too every time you going out riding to the store or with buddies .... tends too mellow out the ride tempo a bit

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No problem Scott. Didn't read it as a negative.

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Raffy sorry to read about your leg, bike, and pain. Let me know if you need help. I have the time.

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Raffy,

As others have said, get well quickly. I am so sorry to hear of your accident and glad that you are progressing so well. We need you back for all of the help you provide for others....

Glad you don't need the surgery too. Listen to the rehab people as they really seem to know more than the doctors on the side of getting better and don't not miss an opportunity to ask them questions and be sure to do as they say, at the clinics and at home. What you do at home is as important as in the clinics....

I had a similar accident, but from about 25 feet or so and crushed the top of the tabula. Had bone graft, 5 operations, 2 years of rehab, 2 units of blood, no weight on leg for 6 months, wheel chairs etc and am back to normal... Key is rehab and lots of walking in water. You will get better and ride again......

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Damn Raffy I just now found out about this. (Haven't been lurking around here much lately due to the move.) Sorry to hear about your mishap, but it sound like it could have been much worse. Heal fast my friend!!

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This is the kind of thing that could happen to any of us at anytime. Hope you recover quickly.

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Best wishes and a speedy recovery, DO WHAT THE PHYSICAL THERAPIST TELLS YOU!!!!! no matter how much of a pain in the A** (leg) it can be.

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Good news:

1) No surgery required

2) I can drive now short distances without much discomfort. If it is stop and go, then it's a hassle due to having to lift the foot to push on brakes and that means bending the knee with brace on.

Bad news:

1) Nerve damage. Can't pull my ankle and big toe straight back. Can push down and side to side is ok.

This will take anywhere from 4-7 months to heal depending how long a prortion of the nerve is damaged.

2) During follow up with my primary physician (family doc), he noticed I was sweating heavily and my heart rate was up.

An immediate EKG was done to determine what was going on. Well a small blip (unusual) showed on the EKG that concerned him. Monday next week, I get to do a stress test laying down since the thread mill is out of the question. I'm just hoping the nurse is female and cute. That should get the stress level up.

Other than that, I'm doing great.



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Good news:

1) No surgery required

2) I can drive now short distances without much discomfort. If it is stop and go, then it's a hassle due to having to lift the foot to push on brakes and that means bending the knee with brace on.

Bad news:

1) Nerve damage. Can't pull my ankle and big toe straight back. Can push down and side to side is ok.

This will take anywhere from 4-7 months to heal depending how long a prortion of the nerve is damaged.

2) During follow up with my primary physician (family doc), he noticed I was sweating heavily and my heart rate was up.

An immediate EKG was done to determine what was going on. Well a small blip (unusual) showed on the EKG that concerned him. Monday next week, I get to do a stress test laying down since the thread mill is out of the question. I'm just hoping the nurse is female and cute. That should get the stress level up.

Other than that, I'm doing great.
I'm hoping you get a happy ending! You know what I mean.

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