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Unhappy Lane Spliting Gone (Very) Wrong (Rant)

Our daughter was hit by a motorcyclist this week on her way to Seattle. She was on I-5 north (with her moms car no less) just before Tumwater when traffic started to slow to a stop. She tapped her brakes for the cars behind and she saw a single headlight coming up the right side between traffic. Then WAM! The guy's 1200 Sportster is totaled. He is hurt badly. He accepted liability, but in Washington state liability insurance is not required. I thought the guy was lying to me. I checked and he is right! Now my insurance is going to take a hit and they have to go after him for the $$$$. This guy told me he was going too fast and thought he could use the space between to slow down and get ahead of some traffic to get to work. Now he will be off work for months. What a waste! The good thing is our daughter is ok, the guy will live and the car can be fixed. Washington state has gotta get a clue regarding insurance for their motorcyclists! What is the legislature thinking?

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Glad your daughter is OK and the HD rider survived. I just saw in the local paper where a HD rider on I-5 was killed when he locked up the rear wheel and was some how tossed under the wheels of an 18 wheeler. More trouble to come this weekend as the V-twin gathering is happening on the coast. I was out there on business and am surprised at the number of bikes sitting outside taverns very early in the day. I don't think all of them are drinking iced tea.

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Glad your daughter is OK and the HD rider survived. I just saw in the local paper where a HD rider on I-5 was killed when he locked up the rear wheel and was some how tossed under the wheels of an 18 wheeler. More trouble to come this weekend as the V-twin gathering is happening on the coast. I was out there on business and am surprised at the number of bikes sitting outside taverns very early in the day. I don't think all of them are drinking iced tea.
The responding officer told me that the fatality was in nearly the same place. The traffic coming to abrupt stops in that location was a contributing factor. ABS is another factor is choosing a motorcycle over looks, sound and comfort. Ride careful out there.

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That's not lane splitting. That's riding too fast for conditions, not paying attention to traffic conditions, poor judgement, and inability to control his bike.

And to think he wanted to cover the damages out of pocket. Sorry for the hassles and the weeks of annoyances that this will cause.

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I am glad your daughter is okay. Wa has so many funny laws I do not know where to start. I hope all is well at home.

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That's not lane splitting. That's riding too fast for conditions, not paying attention to traffic conditions, poor judgement, and inability to control his bike.
Agreed. Looking the damage, he tried to swerve around because he was moving too fast for conditions, and couldn't brake in time to a stop.

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That's not lane splitting. That's riding too fast for conditions, not paying attention to traffic conditions, poor judgement, and inability to control his bike.

And to think he wanted to cover the damages out of pocket. Sorry for the hassles and the weeks of annoyances that this will cause.
Correct on the poor judgement, however he was not lane splitting in the purest form of an experienced rider. He admitted to me on the phone that he used the space between cars for about an 1/8th of a mile before he thought the car to Michelle's right was moving left. He hit the brakes hard and slid left into Michelle. He wants to cover charges out-of-pocket, however if I accept any payment for the repairs and further damage is found he can skate on me saying he paid the bill. I turned it into my insurance using the "uninsured motorist" coverage. I'll let SafeCo go after all the $$$ and get it repaired without anymore contact with this guy. It is pretty silly riding around without insurance IMO.

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I am glad your daughter is okay. Wa has so many funny laws I do not know where to start. I hope all is well at home.
All is well here. Now we will have to get the car repaired and deal with insurance and rentals. Just a hassle that I don't have time for. Washington does have some pretty wierd laws. How'd that happen with democracy? Afterall, aren't you represented by people elected into office, or are they all aliens????

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Thumbs up yep, sounds like poor judgement

Maybe a motorcycle safety course would have helped.

That's my "soap box" issue. I think it should be required for every new bike rider and some older ones too. The only thing about the advanced courses is you ride your own bike. MO has a very good beginners course. After 2 solid days of riding, you KNOW whether you want to ride a motorcycle in traffic or not.

One just can't "give it hell" without regard for other folks on the road.

I sure learned a lot of things that pertained to cycles that aren't a concern for a 4 wheeled vehicle.

I always remember seeing a sign one time that read " Kids don't think, Cars don't think, so drive carefully" or something to that efect.

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All is well here. Now we will have to get the car repaired and deal with insurance and rentals. Just a hassle that I don't have time for. Washington does have some pretty wierd laws. How'd that happen with democracy? Afterall, aren't you represented by people elected into office, or are they all aliens????
This could start a real debate, but here goes anyway..... I am not to fond of our democracy. We have the freedom to vote for any candidate, but when was the last time we had a good one to choose from???? Bye now!!!

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...thought he could use the space between to slow down and get ahead of some traffic...
How do you slow down and get ahead at the same time?

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How do you slow down and get ahead at the same time?
Well let me tell you:
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Glad your daughter's okay. Thanks for the story and I hope the Washington Legislature gets their act together regarding liability coverage.

I must add that the "subject line" for your post is unfortunate.

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This could start a real debate, but here goes anyway..... I am not to fond of our democracy. We have the freedom to vote for any candidate, but when was the last time we had a good one to choose from???? Bye now!!!
You give me pause to laugh-out-loud. Thanks Brian.

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How do you slow down and get ahead at the same time?
He stated that he was slowing from 60+ to a speed slighly over 30 and manuevering through traffic in order to not be late for work. He never made it to work. He did however make it to the emergency room by ambulance where he had his badly torn up left hand stitched and waiting for a specialist to finish putting him back together. So he said.

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Well let me tell you:
Dear Ladybugs and Jellybeans,
I stand before you to sit behind you
to tell you something I know nothing about.
Early in the morning in the middle of the night
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Back to back they faced each other,
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A deaf policeman heard the noise
and came and shot the two dead boys.
If you don't believe this lie that's true,
ask the blind man; he saw it too.
Amission is free, pay at the door. Pull up a chair and sit on the floor.
Now you know how to slow down to get ahead.
Any questions?
Just one? Where on the floor do you want me to sit?

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No matter where you manage to sit,
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Our daughter was hit by a motorcyclist this week on her way to Seattle. She was on I-5 north (with her moms car no less) just before Tumwater when traffic started to slow to a stop. She tapped her brakes for the cars behind and she saw a single headlight coming up the right side between traffic. Then WAM! The guy's 1200 Sportster is totaled. He is hurt badly. He accepted liability, but in Washington state liability insurance is not required. I thought the guy was lying to me. I checked and he is right! Now my insurance is going to take a hit and they have to go after him for the $$$$. This guy told me he was going too fast and thought he could use the space between to slow down and get ahead of some traffic to get to work. Now he will be off work for months. What a waste! The good thing is our daughter is ok, the guy will live and the car can be fixed. Washington state has gotta get a clue regarding insurance for their motorcyclists! What is the legislature thinking?

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I missed a lot playing sports I guess. You girls had all the fun.

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....that are giving the rest of us safe and responsible riders a bad name. Ernie, glad your daughter was not hurt. Sue the little turd for his motorcycle so he doesn't ride again!

Brian, are you referring to Federal or state officials? Ooopppps, silly me, I guess it doens't matter which way you look?! :-)

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Well let me tell you:
Dear Ladybugs and Jellybeans,
I stand before you to sit behind you
to tell you something I know nothing about.
Early in the morning in the middle of the night
two dead boys got up to fight.
Back to back they faced each other,
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A deaf policeman heard the noise
and came and shot the two dead boys.
If you don't believe this lie that's true,
ask the blind man; he saw it too.
Amission is free, pay at the door. Pull up a chair and sit on the floor.
Now you know how to slow down to get ahead.
Any questions?

Interesting Coni,
Being that I seem to remember some of that from my mother when I was a young'n I looked it up. Sure enough it's a piece of British Columbia Folklore.
Here's a read on that.

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Myself, My S/O riding my V-Strom and MattFelton were in that manic traffic and rain nightmare just after it happend... We saw the bike and the body being loaded onto an ambulance stretcher. Very focused riding using alot of skills to stay alert and cognizant of all that is happening around us while the cars, trucks and SUVs were jockeying for postion in heavy rain....

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Ernie,

VERY GLAD to hear your daughter was OK. Damage to the car can be repaired, but as we all know, damage to the bod can often last MUCH longer.

Don't get to browse on the NW site hardly at all, but for some reason did tonite and saw your post. Maybe Washington State will finally realize what an error in judgement/justice it is NOT to have liability insurance a requirement. Shame that responsible people have to take the hit (no pun intended) when dummies show that their IQ is less than their hat size.

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Ernie,

VERY GLAD to hear your daughter was OK. Damage to the car can be repaired, but as we all know, damage to the bod can often last MUCH longer.

Don't get to browse on the NW site hardly at all, but for some reason did tonite and saw your post. Maybe Washington State will finally realize what an error in judgement/justice it is NOT to have liability insurance a requirement. Shame that responsible people have to take the hit (no pun intended) when dummies show that their IQ is less than their hat size.
Thx for the thoughtful comments. I wonder where to start in exposing the flaw in Washington's judgement on the insurance issue? I wouldn't even know who to complain/write to on the subject.

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