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post #1 of 31 Old Apr 2nd, 2007, 4:21 pm Thread Starter
 
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Lot's of talk earlier about tech sessions for north east. I'm definately ready for a 12K service. I would like to see a valve adjustment done, I can do pretty much anything else. I can host a session or help out with someones. I really don't want to use a dealer for something I can probably accomplish on a rainy afternoon. Any weekend is good for me.

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Makes a lot of sense to do your own standard service.. not hard just takes ordinary tools, some parts and supplies. I tend to work on weekends at the last minute but I would come and help out with some advice if I'm available as I have done most of the stuff.. After I get my LT running from what I'm doing this spring I will have done all the service intervals.

I watched and participated in my first 12k at a CCR. I was a little apprehensive to start it without seeing it done. I'm just a shade tree mechanic so I haven't done anything really major on cars for decades except for the normal maintenance like brakes and oil. I always did that stuff on my bikes as well but none of them had service requirements like the LT..

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I'm the same way. I have done almost everthing that is done in a major service except the valves. I could probably do it just using the manual, but I would be alot more confident of the out come with some one looking over my shoulder who has been there before.
I can do everthing but the valves and do them with just one days notice. If I knew on a Friday night that a teacher would be available I can be ready on any Sat. A.M.

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Hey Tom, count me in. I won't need to work on my bike (oh, Lord, did I just jinx myself there!), but can do some wrenching. Helped out at the last CCR when Mark Neeblat led a tech session that included valves, and hope to do mine in about 2 weeks. Thanks for offering to host!

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I could probably do it just using the manual, but I would be alot more confident of the out come with some one looking over my shoulder who has been there before.
I would use the Gunsmoke website procedure. It is not a LT specific doc but same engine so the procedure is the same. It's what I printed before I did mine the first time in the garage. I haven't had to change any valve adjustments yet so I'm a virgin there..


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I can do everthing but the valves and do them with just one days notice. If I knew on a Friday night that a teacher would be available I can be ready on any Sat. A.M.
Teacher??? Hmmm.. well maybe someone that is a few more miles ahead of you..

I already know will be working the next few weekends, both Saturday and Sunday... except for Easter Sunday (so far), so If you can wait a few weeks... we can decide on a Saturday and finalize it at the last minute. Hopefully mine will be done and I will be riding by then.

Maybe even Bill will be back on the road.

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Hey guys, maybe I could drill my weep hole and replace my slave cylinder at that tech session. Bill can show me where exactly to drill that SECOND weep hole!

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Looks like we can probably get something going. Obviously this weekend is out with the holiday. I'm busy the 14th, so hows the 21st sound. I wil have everthing done except the valves & spark plugs, hopefully we can get my vavlves done & work on someone elses bike to. I have most tools & a compressor.

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I'm working the 14th + 15th, 21st, and was scheduled for the 28th + 29th... but that is really too far out to be solid.. and those plans have actually changed today.. However you know the first rule of customer support.. The customer is always right.. second rule is don't forget the first rule..

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21st looks good for me. I'll bring along some tools too.

Hey Ray, if you want to swap out your slave cylinder we could get the tools from Jack and give it a go (assuming that it's OK with Tom ). By that time I should have figured out the best place for the 3rd drain hole and we can experiment with your bike.

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Sounds like we got a plan going . If someone wants to do something like a slave cylinder swap that was mentioned that is fine with me, anything I can learn is good. Just remember all I have for a lift is a frame lift worked pretty good on Harleys have not tried it on the BMW. I think there is a pretty good chance I will need a valve adjustment. 64000 miles they always checked alright @ the dealer. So we will probably have to make a dealer run for shims and anything else needed. If we have time I wouldn't my yanking my canister.

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i gotta work..i would love to be there,,i did my canister,,easy job once you figure out how to get the trunk liner out,,,,bill should know how,,i would love to see a valve check o well next time
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Hey Ray, if you want to swap out your slave cylinder we could get the tools from Jack and give it a go (assuming that it's OK with Tom ).
Hopefully I will be done with the tools a long time by then... If I can get the slave to bleed properly and working I will put everything back together again.. My swing arm studs broke two 14 MM 6 point Craftsman sockets.. cleaned one Sears store out of loose 14 MM sockets..

And they were out last September at Kevin's tech session...

I wonder if I shouldn't use anti-seize compound when I put them back in????

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Hopefully I will be done with the tools a long time by then... If I can get the slave to bleed properly and working I will put everything back together again.. My swing arm studs broke two 14 MM 6 point Craftsman sockets.. cleaned one Sears store out of loose 14 MM sockets..

And they were out last September at Kevin's tech session...

I wonder if I shouldn't use anti-seize compound when I put them back in????
Holy cow, Jack. We better stock up on 14mm sockets. Corner the market and start charging double . How come Lenny had all the luck, his came out like they were greased.

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Seriously... do you see any downside to using anti-seize compound.. after all it is aluminum and steel just like a spark plug and a cylinder head...

I expect to be back in again doing another slave swap in a few years... on my 120K maintenance cycle.. at the latest.

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Hey Jack:
When I do mine I am going to put some anti-seize on them and torque them. Then I'm going to re-check them in a week and then a month or so to make sure that they remain the way they should. It's extra work, but if it works, it's easier than the alternative. If it works on lug nuts, it should work here.

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When I do mine I am going to put some anti-seize on them and torque them. Then I'm going to re-check them in a week and then a month or so to make sure that they remain the way they should. It's extra work, but if it works, it's easier than the alternative. If it works on lug nuts, it should work here.

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I'm not concerned with the extra work or the extra cost... I am just trying to avoid the panic that sets in when you can get the studs out of the swing arm.

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Ok looks like some good response for the 21st. Any one needing directions can P.M. me. Let's see if we can get a list of what projects we are going to tackle. I have 2 bays so we can work on 2 bikes at a time. I should have all my 12k done except valves. Yes I picked up a gasket today.
I don't know what time is good for anyone else, but between 8 & 9 is good for me.
2 Dunkin Donuts with in a mile & good pizza place around the corner so food won't be a problem.

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Ok looks like some good response for the 21st. Any one needing directions can P.M. me. Let's see if we can get a list of what projects we are going to tackle. I have 2 bays so we can work on 2 bikes at a time. I should have all my 12k done except valves. Yes I picked up a gasket today.
I don't know what time is good for anyone else, but between 8 & 9 is good for me.
2 Dunkin Donuts with in a mile & good pizza place around the corner so food won't be a problem.

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I have a new gasket in my parts shelf in case I need it but I usually reuse the old one. If it cleans well I just put the goop back on in the corners and wait for the next time. I think if you torque it back down correctly it will work multiple times. Of course, YMMV..

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Seriously... do you see any downside to using anti-seize compound.. after all it is aluminum and steel just like a spark plug and a cylinder head...
Jack, I read a long discussion about this on the forum, but have not been able to find it. The feeling was that one should not put anti-seize on a part unless the manual calls for it, especially if the part is to be torqued to a certain spec. The anti-seize lubricates the threads, allowing them to slide past each other more easily, so a particular torque reading means that the threads have slid father past each other than was intended and produced more internal pressure, sometimes enough to cause distortion in the parts. There was a chart that indicated, for different anti-seize products, how much to reduce (percentage wise) the original torque value if anti-seize were used. Just something to think about.

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Well, I started to reassemble the swing arm and did not use the anti-seize compound. I did chase the stud with a metal scribe and it caught all along the thread so I assume that is why the stud is 'sticking' in the swing arm. Seemed to go on and off better using my fingers after I chased the thread...

All I need to do is replace the check valve on the end of the bleed hose. I don't know if the threads were damaged before I started.. but I could not maintain a vacuum in the slave drain with my vacuum pump and was getting too much air.. so I removed the check valve and tired again and found I had a problem with that assembly.. so I tightened it and stripped the threads.. In tightening I also ruined the check valve.. so hopefully that will be in this week and I can get this slave bleed completed...

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All I need to do is replace the check valve on the end of the bleed hose. I don't know if the threads were damaged before I started.. but I could not maintain a vacuum in the slave drain with my vacuum pump and was getting too much air.. so I removed the check valve and tired again and found I had a problem with that assembly.. so I tightened it and stripped the threads.. In tightening I also ruined the check valve.. so hopefully that will be in this week and I can get this slave bleed completed...
I have one of the OEM bleeders if you need it. It is quite a bit shorter than the bleeder screw I got at an auto parts store and seems to fit better. Sorry about your trials with the slave bleed.

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I have one of the OEM bleeders if you need it. It is quite a bit shorter than the bleeder screw I got at an auto parts store and seems to fit better. Sorry about your trials with the slave bleed.
Actually I bought one and there was one in the bleed screw for the clutch.. I didn't look.. I just bought one.. I should have the part before the end of the week.. Learning a lot this spring..

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Ok looks like some good response for the 21st. Any one needing directions can P.M. me. Let's see if we can get a list of what projects we are going to tackle. I have 2 bays so we can work on 2 bikes at a time. I should have all my 12k done except valves. Yes I picked up a gasket today.
I don't know what time is good for anyone else, but between 8 & 9 is good for me.
2 Dunkin Donuts with in a mile & good pizza place around the corner so food won't be a problem.

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Tom, I'll be there about 8:30 - 8:45. Here's a list of the tools and other stuff that I used to do my valves, all of which I can bring: Torx sockets, T30 and T40; pan to catch oil drips; rubber mallet; feeler gauges, with metric readings; 1/8" drill bit; screwdriver; 10mm socket, 17 mm socket, 19mm open end wrench; assembly lube; Permatex black gasket sealer; torque wrench that works from at least 9 Nm to 56 Nm; Scott Marburger instructions; printed form for recording valve clearance data. I think that's it.

Is anybody else planning on working on a bike on Saturday?

I'll PM you for your address and phone.

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Good Morning guys. Something came up and I won't be able to make it this tech session. Good luck with the projects.

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Hey Bill,

After all the talk we had early on this thread it looks like just my bike. Anyone needing to do any service is welcome.
As far as tools I have Torx T30 & T40 but not sockets, have pan, mallet, feeler gages, screw drivers, 10 & 17 mm sockets,19 mm open end, a recording form. My torque wrench has a low setting of 17 nm.& I don't have a 1/8 drill bit. I will pick up lube & permatex.
If nobody else is working we will probably have some riding time.

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Superior. I'm working feverishly to get my bike ready to ride by Saturday. I'll bring the Torx sockets (need to be able to torque the Torx - ha), torque wrench, written instructions. I've a nearly full tub of assembly lube and nearly full tube of the Permatex black, no need for you to buy that unless you want it for something else. We'll be done before lunch, even with a trip to Gengras if you need different size buckets (they do have them there). Want to run down to Cliff's for the open house? Gerard, Jim, Jack, Barnett, anyone else, want to take Cliff's by storm and eat all the hot dogs?

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Might be able to make Cliff's to meet you guys depending on what time you're planning on being there. Let me know.

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Cliff's sounds good to me.
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Might be able to make Cliff's to meet you guys depending on what time you're planning on being there. Let me know.

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No, No, No, Ray. Remember you are supposed to be tiling the bathroom! Don't give in to the siren song of the LT.

Actually, we can't know at this point what time we'll be there, depends on how long it takes to do Tom's valves. You want us to call you when we are ready to to set out for Cliff"s? If your wife answers the phone do you want us to pretend to be the IRS needing to have an important meeting with you in our Danbury office in about 1.5 hours?

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Bill:
That sounds like a great idea. And make it sound real official! I'll PM you with my home # and I'll try to meet up with you guys. How's it going getting the bike back together?

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Hey guys,
Hope everyone learned something at saturdays tech session. I know I did. I want to thank everyone for their help & hope to get together for a ride someday.

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