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Aug 20th, 2009 9:37 pm
SEXYDUC
Re: Looking To Buy My First BMW

I really appreciate all of your inputs. I think I am going to let this one go. There are too many other nice bikes out there to chose from. We might buy new if we cant find a used bike that suits us.

We currently have a Ducati ST3 that I bought new in 2006 so I am in no hurry to buy an LT. I am not planning on letting the ST go, I want the LT for long trips. We have 25,000 miles on our ST and it's a great bike, but it's not as comfortable on long hauls as the LT. I can only imagine how many miles we would put on an LT in the same amount of time.

I have rode the LT, a Goldwing, and a Harley Ultra Classic. I fell in love with the LT and have been looking to buy one ever since. I don't have any thing nice to say about the Ultra Classic.
Aug 20th, 2009 3:08 pm
tonygret
Re: Looking To Buy My First BMW

A note on Lemon Law. There are federal and state Lemon Laws most of which overlap. Any vehicle repurchased in a Lemon Law action can legally be resold with the proper discloser. However, a manufacturer and dealer can agree to buy back a vehicle before it gets through the Lemon Law process saving a marked title and the expense of the process which the manufacturer has to pay for.

Being in the car business my entire life I have seen Lemon Law cases for the most ridiculous thing. I was actually in a jury trial for a vehicle that the customer complained the fabric around his sun roof was “pilling”. His word for little bumps you would get on a sweater from a snag. We settled and bought the car back after the judge declared a mistrial because the trial went on for 3 days and he was going on vacation.

In 2006 I bought a Harley that was a lemon with major and repeated engine problems. Two years of frustration with the dealer and the manufacturer and I sold it private party with full discloser but no Lemon Law process.

The moral of this story is just because a car is bought back or goes though the Lemon Law process does not mean it’s cursed. And just because it is not a Lemon Law vehicle doesn’t mean that it’s not. Let the service records speak for themselves.
Aug 20th, 2009 3:05 pm
ken6217
Re: Looking To Buy My First BMW

Quote:
Originally Posted by tobiwan
If you do decide to do a deal with Daytona, be sure to get everything in writing. I had some dealing with their sister dealer in Orlando, and it was not pretty. Dealt with the service manager and still was taken. You can read about it in Dealer experience section here "They didn't even kiss me first".

my .02 just be careful with these people.
Where nice enough to use vaseline?
Ken
Aug 20th, 2009 2:02 pm
tobiwan
Re: Looking To Buy My First BMW

If you do decide to do a deal with Daytona, be sure to get everything in writing. I had some dealing with their sister dealer in Orlando, and it was not pretty. Dealt with the service manager and still was taken. You can read about it in Dealer experience section here "They didn't even kiss me first".

my .02 just be careful with these people.
Aug 20th, 2009 12:59 pm
ken6217
Re: Looking To Buy My First BMW

Quote:
Originally Posted by bibleman
Not so sure I'd agree with that.

The OP stated that he was told: "both tires replaced, rear brake rotor and pads, new fuel pump and fuel related components"...

Why replace all those items on a bike with 1+k miles on it, if there weren't problems?

I'd pass. Just doesn't "smell" right. Lots of good used bikes out there, and mileage is one of the least concerns with an LT.
I agree. Not sure why this point is being glossed over. Whoever heard of those items needing to be replaced with 1263 miles on it. The bike basically inst even broken in yet. The first question I would have to them is "why"? I would pass regardless of his/her answer.
Ken
Aug 20th, 2009 12:33 pm
bibleman
Re: Looking To Buy My First BMW

Quote:
Originally Posted by BMWrdr
...a manufactures buy-back could be due to several reasons. It could have been a mutual reposession or a novice rider that wasn't ready for the demands of a motorcycle!
Not so sure I'd agree with that.

The OP stated that he was told: "both tires replaced, rear brake rotor and pads, new fuel pump and fuel related components"...

Why replace all those items on a bike with 1+k miles on it, if there weren't problems?

I'd pass. Just doesn't "smell" right. Lots of good used bikes out there, and mileage is one of the least concerns with an LT.
Aug 20th, 2009 12:11 pm
Toolman
Re: Looking To Buy My First BMW

Quote:
Originally Posted by blueknightga6
...If I could only count the number of low mileage HD's I've seen that have been to Sturgis, Daytona, Myrtle Beach and other places. Sometimes they've been several times and have miracously low mileage.
Yep, trailering sure keeps the miles from adding up on those HD's. I mean who blames 'em....dirty chrome doesn't look cool, nor does a rain-soaked pirate costume.
Aug 20th, 2009 11:59 am
blueknightga6
Re: Looking To Buy My First BMW

I've been to BMW of Daytona Beach a few times and have always noticed motorcycles there that are a few years old and are low mileage bikes. So there is a good chance that this wouldn't be a lemon law bike I'd hope. Between scared riders, new riders, repos and change of mind along with a host of many others there could be any number of reasons for the low miles.

If I could only count the number of low mileage HD's I've seen that have been to Sturgis, Daytona, Myrtle Beach and other places. Sometimes they've been several times and have miracously low mileage. But I think we know how that happens.

Ask them to explain the buy back and see what they say. Ask about the 2 different prices too.
Aug 20th, 2009 11:42 am
jrlakin
Re: Looking To Buy My First BMW

Lemon Laws are unique and particular to each State. The Lemon Law in Texas would not be the same as Washington, or Florida.
Aug 20th, 2009 10:49 am
BMWrdr
Re: Looking To Buy My First BMW

First, the LT is a exceptional bike with a proven history. Second, a manufactures buy-back could be due to several reasons. It could have been a mutual reposession or a novice rider that wasn't ready for the demands of a motorcycle! Due to our lemon laws, it probably wasn't a lemon. Both BMW and the dealer would have to disclose this information.
Ultimately, it's all about your feeling toward this motorcycle. The Lt is a great choice, but you may want to wait on another bike. Remember it's a buyers market. Check both cycletrader and craigslist. I have seen several owners trying to opt out of newer bikes that are loaded!
Wait and buy the "right" LT....you'll know it when you see it!

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03 K1200RS-past
04 K1200LT-present
07 k1200GT-present
0? R1200GS-future
Aug 20th, 2009 8:42 am
Dick
Re: Looking To Buy My First BMW

Quote:
Originally Posted by t61vance
..snipped....
Long story short.....the LT is a great bike. I have had mine a little over a month and have put over 6K miles on it. Yes....it's quirky, top heavy and the motor makes weird sounds and yes it's not quite as sporty as a Ducati and it not as comfortable in a parking lot as a Wing.......but out on the road it comes into it's own. It's fast and comfortable and you get a sense of accomplishment when you DO finally scrape the pegs on an off ramp.
But by far....the best thing about the bike has been the people and the BMW community. This very forum has helped me through a number of familiarization issues and has helped put me at ease about my bike maintenance. I have always noticed that 'BMW People' tend to be quite intelligent, articulate and passionate about their bikes. Another rider on a BMW is never a stranger, they are a friend....even if you meet them two states away on your first shakedown ride while your bike is still wearing a paper plate.
The truth is, it's the people and the community that makes owning one of these great motorcycles such a great experience.
Buy an LT and open a whole new chapter in your life.

Tim

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2005 BMW K1200LT
What you said is what I've been saying to myself for the last ten years, since buying ole Toad. My keyboard isn't as articulate as yours, but nevertheless, I'm there with the thoughts and the thanks. Cannot imagine me and ole Toad on the road without this community to hike along with. Thanks, Tim.

Best.
Aug 20th, 2009 8:34 am
t61vance
Re: Looking To Buy My First BMW

Probably the most important thing to remember in the grand scheme of things is this: regardless of our emotional involvement with our motorcycles......they are simply machines, and they can be fixed.
On a less rational and objective note, I kind of understand the whole 'stopping and thinking before you buy' thing, especially if you are new to BMW's. I had been away from motorcycling for a little over a year before I bought my LT. Prior to that I had owned a little bit of everything, ZX-10, H-D Sportsters and Electra Glides, Gold Wings, a CBX, a Honda Turbo and a host of other interesting bikes. The only BMW I had owned before was a '91 Paris/Dakar which I truly loved, but my wife hated. We both still loved the feel and the 'quirks' that go along with BMW's, but she needed a real seat to sit on and a little comfort....which led us to the LT. Had it not been for my wife, I would have probably missed out on the whole LT Experience and would still be on a GS.
Long story short.....the LT is a great bike. I have had mine a little over a month and have put over 6K miles on it. Yes....it's quirky, top heavy and the motor makes weird sounds and yes it's not quite as sporty as a Ducati and it not as comfortable in a parking lot as a Wing.......but out on the road it comes into it's own. It's fast and comfortable and you get a sense of accomplishment when you DO finally scrape the pegs on an off ramp.
But by far....the best thing about the bike has been the people and the BMW community. This very forum has helped me through a number of familiarization issues and has helped put me at ease about my bike maintenance. I have always noticed that 'BMW People' tend to be quite intelligent, articulate and passionate about their bikes. Another rider on a BMW is never a stranger, they are a friend....even if you meet them two states away on your first shakedown ride while your bike is still wearing a paper plate.
The truth is, it's the people and the community that makes owning one of these great motorcycles such a great experience.
Buy an LT and open a whole new chapter in your life.

Tim

_________________
2005 BMW K1200LT
Aug 20th, 2009 2:26 am
Sharkey
Re: Looking To Buy My First BMW

There is a 2006 in the classifieds 12,500 with lots of extras with 18k miles
Aug 20th, 2009 1:04 am
Ted
Re: Looking To Buy My First BMW

Quote:
Originally Posted by SEXYDUC
It is listed on e-bay for $14995.00, and on their web site for 15,995.00.
Did you ask why there are two different prices?
Aug 20th, 2009 12:27 am
shoswell
Re: Looking To Buy My First BMW

+1 on the warranty. If you can get the OEM and the extended buy, fly and be happy. Your covered! As for the buy back, I've heard others that have in the past, most notably one that the owner has had for 100K+ no issues (well, ok some issues) but you'll take the risk out with the warranties...
Aug 19th, 2009 11:04 pm
Kra961
Re: Looking To Buy My First BMW

I might be wrong but I seem to remember that a piece of merchandise cannot be resold if it was returned under the lemon law.

I just bought an 09 and had the tires replaced and got a bad set the ME 880 sometimes fail. The rest of the components that have been replaced is a rather strange mixture and I would think not indicative of any single problem breaks and tires would be related to the wobble issue. No idea why the fuel system would require so much work.

The interesting things is there is no difference between a 06 and a 09 model other then 10k in cost and if it is being given a full warranty then you don't have many worries

Quote:
Originally Posted by SEXYDUC
I am seriously considering buying a 2006 K1200LT from the BMW dealership in Daytona Fl. I am not new to motorcycles but new to BMW's. The bike I am looking at has 1,263.00 miles on it. It is listed under their web site http://www.bmwcyclesdaytona.com/preowned_images/26.jpg and is on e-bay item #310161128617. It is listed on e-bay for $14995.00, and on their web site for 15,995.00. Here is the link. I called the dealer today and asked a few questions. One of my questions was why it only has 1,263.00 miles on it, and was it a trade in. The salesman told me it was a manufacture buy back. I was told that this bike had both tires replaced, rear brake rotor and pads, new fuel pump and fuel related components. To me it sounds like it was bought back under the lemon law. I guess my question would be, if I bought this bike with a warranty am I setting myself up for a life of misery with this bike? Any inputs would be appreciated.
Aug 19th, 2009 10:51 pm
SEXYDUC
Looking To Buy My First BMW

I am seriously considering buying a 2006 K1200LT from the BMW dealership in Daytona Fl. I am not new to motorcycles but new to BMW's. The bike I am looking at has 1,263.00 miles on it. It is listed under their web site http://www.bmwcyclesdaytona.com/preowned_images/26.jpg and is on e-bay item #310161128617. It is listed on e-bay for $14995.00, and on their web site for 15,995.00. Here is the link. I called the dealer today and asked a few questions. One of my questions was why it only has 1,263.00 miles on it, and was it a trade in. The salesman told me it was a manufacture buy back. I was told that this bike had both tires replaced, rear brake rotor and pads, new fuel pump and fuel related components. To me it sounds like it was bought back under the lemon law. I guess my question would be, if I bought this bike with a warranty am I setting myself up for a life of misery with this bike? Any inputs would be appreciated.

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