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Jan 4th, 2010 8:41 am
highroamer
Re: BMW gear

As I suspected, the Streetguard 3 with both liners in is good down to freezing. I did a 160 mile round trip last week and was still warm. I only realised how warm the trousers were with liners when I went to change out of them after getting home and felt the cold hit my legs - indoors! It was like taking off mini electric blankets. So even at freezing I still have the storm collar and thermal undies in reserve.

Kevin.
Dec 27th, 2009 7:14 pm
ldbikin
Re: BMW gear

I looked at the Olympia's too at the dealer, no complaints there, they just didn't have as much stock to choose from at the time. I've never owned one so I can't say. Honestly, if my means were endless, I'd own all the good gear. It can be an expensive journey however. Probably why most of us own 2-3 coats at one time, etc.

I should have said the bmw gear is best for me...seems I get the right fit, not always easy for me. At 50k miles/year, I need comfy gear that works.

Oh yeah, bmw is pricey, I'll give you that. Not much more than my Darien coat/pants were though, I wore darian pants for 6 years before buying the bmw stuff. We look for sales but...
Dec 27th, 2009 6:28 am
wa1200lt
Re: BMW gear

Quote:
Originally Posted by bruce2000ltc
What's up with almost every jacket manufacturer making their garments waterproof with a zip in liner? Is this what everyone wants?

The last thing I want to do when it starts raining is stop, take off my jacket and zip in it's liner. Hell, it would be easier to stop and put on a rainsuit.....which is exactly why I started buying riding gear that was waterproof in the first place - so I wouldn't have to stop.

I know the answer to my first question is obvious: because it's a cheap way to make any jacket waterproof. I don't want cheap. I want riding gear designed by people who understand riding and how the function and convenience of their gear affects the rider.

Waterproof liner...some bean-counter came up with that.

Bruce Hodges
I for one MUCH prefer a suit with a waterproof liner. The top and bottom liners take up less room by far than a rain suit and are very quick to put on. If it looks like it's going to go from a drizzle to a good rain I just pull over and put the liners on. I don't worry about the little velcro doohickeys designed to lock the liners in place. Just unroll the liners, slip 'em on, put the pants and jacket back on and away I go. The advantage I get from this type of system is that it is much cooler in summer because the outer shells are mesh.

While I'm sure the BMW suits are awesome it doesn't take too many suits to meet different weather conditions to add up to a final drive rebuild, 3 oil changes, a 12,000 mile service, a set of tires, etc.

I'll just stick with my 2nd rate Olympias!

Loren
Dec 26th, 2009 9:43 am
wa1200lt
Re: BMW gear

The decision to go with Olympia instead of BMW gear was easy for me. I bought 2 sets of Olympia gear when I picked up the bike at the dealership. I got enough change back from 10 1 hundred dollar bills to buy a qtr lb'er with cheese meal at McDonalds as long as I bought the meal in Oregon so wouldn't have to pay tax. I would have paid SIGNIFICANTLY MORE for 1 set of BMW gear of similar style. Duh! I work for a living.

This said, I sure like my new LT cup holder that I got for Christmas! Got it at a fair discount from a member of this site. See, there you go! Still didn't pay ridiculous BMW list price!

Loren
Dec 26th, 2009 7:30 am
ldbikin
Re: BMW gear

I watched them cut up my wife's savannah II jacket and santiago pants in the ER after a 70 MPH getoff, starting with a pavement slide and then off into the mountain brush (we about filled up the ER with dirt/weeds, etc )..

She also shredded the expensive gortex rain suit she had on over all that.

The ER folks were shocked when they didn't find a scratch on her. All she had was bruises.

I slid in my santiago's with hip armor and a leather foxcreek jacket with TPpro shoulder/elbow armor and the forcefield back protector that fits the jacket. I took my own stuff off in the ambulance

So just a word on BMW crash tested gear, not that I wanted to be the one to provide that

I stlll have my santigo jkt but I need a new zipper on it. I really like the BMW gear in fit, feel, comfort and nooooowwww (drum roll) CRaaaSSSHHHH PROTEctionl

Ps...I've owned several other brands over the 265k miles I have on bikes, wore areostich for years, HG (I loved that leather jkt I got free with the FZ1 I bought back in 02), first gear...but so far, BMW is the best, although I wear my leather jkt most of the time now just because I've waited my whole life for a good one.

By the way, no less than 3 rider's went out and bought more gear after they saw we had no road rash at all. The ER doc said he rode LT's for 3 years before selling it, that was cool.
Dec 25th, 2009 7:44 pm
brasters
Re: BMW gear

The motoport kevlar mesh jacket and pants have come the closest to a full years suit for me, the mesh is good from 130 to 60 degrees, add the liner and it is good from 60 to 40, add a heated jacket/pants and it goes down to 0.
Dec 25th, 2009 4:38 pm
Got2Greys
Re: BMW gear

I have the BMW Summer Pants, the Venting Machine Pants and a Savannah Suit (jacket and pants). They are all high quality and perform well. I also have an Olympia high viz mesh jacket.

The reason for so many different pieces of clothing is that I live in a very hot and humid summer climate, a mild spring and fall climate and a cool winter climate.

If I could find a one piece suit that fit all of these climate conditions, I would buy it. Unfortunately, there is no such suit.
Oct 20th, 2009 6:40 am
GolfGuy
Re: BMW gear

My Wife and I both use the BMW Atlantis III suits. We have worn them in 90+ heat down to the 40's. They are absolutely the best I have ever worn. New I think they are around $1800.00 now. Which I think is absurd!! But...we have worn them for 3 years and they have performed flawlessly! We have worn them in a driving rain....snow...sleet. Neither one of us have gotten wet. They came with a inset...but...we have never used them. No need.
They are leather and somewhat heavy...but worth the money.
Oct 20th, 2009 4:02 am
PCH
Re: BMW gear

Interesting
Some people must not be asking the right questions.
I am looking at a new BMW comfort suit. Standard size tends to produce a tight girth or long legs and arms. ( working on the fix- more wine less beer)
MY dealer ( a good one and a reasonable size) said to come in, they would measure and I would have a custom suit in 3 weeks. Even the girl who measures is gorgeous.

I think we are sometimes too quick to judge by " what we think we heard about a problem".

Go and ask. If you can order made to measure in Ozz you certainly could in good old USA.

Also this point of a large dealer having stock and services, also brings us to the topic of dealership coverage.
If we don't use them, of course financial restraints limit their viabilty and therefore their geographical spread.

The tall poppy syndrome regins again.
regards
PCH
Oct 14th, 2009 12:52 pm
Randy
Re: BMW gear

Quote:
Originally Posted by highroamer
And another thing - the Streeguard 3 ROCKS!! It is a serious improvement on the SG2. I had a trip through France just after getting it. We drove through torrential rain for the first two days, so heavy that the K1200LT was tending to aquaplane, even with a new front tyre, and I had to slow right down. However not a drop of water got through my Streetguard 3 (or my wife's new BMW one piece suit). The armor and liners are upgraded. Its' cool in the sun with the vents open (on the bike or walking around) and warm enough at 48F (in both cases with the liners out). With the liner in the jacket (not in the pants, but seat heat on) at 53F its toasty warm and I'd suspect (based on my experience with it and the SG2) with both liners in it'd be good right down to freezing. I'd highly recommend this suit to anyone in the market.

Kevin.
Just to add to this resurrected thread, I agree. I had the original Streetguard for my trip to Alaska in 2007 and loved it. Michelle and I both bought the Streetguard 3 this summer and have been nothing but pleased. We have ridden comfortably at around 35 degrees with the liners in. One of our trips this summer found us in solid rain at around 40-45 degrees and we remained relatively warm and completely dry. After a few hours, Michelle did relent and don her electric jacket liner, but she said her legs were just fine in the Streetguard with liner.
Oct 14th, 2009 11:27 am
DanDiver
Re: BMW gear

A few thoughts about riding gear:

My first "real" riding jacket was a BMW, summer weight light (ironically) green colored jacket that is everything I would want in a light weight summer jacket except for one thing, It's light colored sleeves. They get dirty and there is really no way to get them clean! Not a big deal, but it seems that all light colored materials get dirty looking pretty quickly.

The other "mistake" I made was to buy summer weight riding pants that have a zipper in the upper leg to make them shorts. In 6 years, I have NEVER unzipped them to make shorts, and the zipper annoys me ! Never buy them again.....

Just my two pet peeves.......
Oct 14th, 2009 10:20 am
highroamer
Re: BMW gear

I'm baack!!

No, just joking - never left, but the thread seemed to die. However, I just thought some of you'd be interested in this:

Two years ago I took the plunge and bought the Streetguard ll suit. I liked it a lot. A real comfortable, stylish, waterproof all season suit. Fortunately never tested the impact/abrasion qualities, but to my eye it looked robust (seems to have been borne out by the subsequent survey in 'Ride' magazine).

During year two I noticed that there were areas of black material on the sleeves and on the sides of the jacket under the arms which were turning a dull red. However, it continued to function perfectly.

During a visit to a local dealer last July I noticed a Streetguard jacket hanging on the back of an assistant's chair which had gone seriously red. I asked was it his, intending just to compare notes and wondering how old it was, how much it might have been exposed to UV and essentially how long it would be before mine ended up the same. ''No, it's in under warranty'' was his reply. '' What's wrong with it'' I asked. ''Can you not see, it's gone all red'' was his reply.

To cut a long story short, I found my invoice, established that my suit was under two years old (just!) and they put a warranty claim through for me no questions asked. Apparently it's a known issue. Further, since they couldn't source a suit in my colour & size I was supplied with a brand new Streetguard 3 suit, in my choice of colour - absolutely free! No Hassle. Smiles all round.

I just thought this should be noted, since there is a tendency to highlight problems with BMW but people aren't as quick to put pen to paper (or fingers to keyboard) when credit is due.

And another thing - the Streeguard 3 ROCKS!! It is a serious improvement on the SG2. I had a trip through France just after getting it. We drove through torrential rain for the first two days, so heavy that the K1200LT was tending to aquaplane, even with a new front tyre, and I had to slow right down. However not a drop of water got through my Streetguard 3 (or my wife's new BMW one piece suit). The armor and liners are upgraded. Its' cool in the sun with the vents open (on the bike or walking around) and warm enough at 48F (in both cases with the liners out). With the liner in the jacket (not in the pants, but seat heat on) at 53F its toasty warm and I'd suspect (based on my experience with it and the SG2) with both liners in it'd be good right down to freezing. I'd highly recommend this suit to anyone in the market.

Kevin.
Jul 20th, 2007 10:17 pm
hschisler
Quote:
Originally Posted by bruce2000ltc
What's up with almost every jacket manufacturer making their garments waterproof with a zip in liner? Is this what everyone wants?

The last thing I want to do when it starts raining is stop, take off my jacket and zip in it's liner. Hell, it would be easier to stop and put on a rainsuit.....which is exactly why I started buying riding gear that was waterproof in the first place - so I wouldn't have to stop.

I know the answer to my first question is obvious: because it's a cheap way to make any jacket waterproof. I don't want cheap. I want riding gear designed by people who understand riding and how the function and convenience of their gear affects the rider.

Waterproof liner...some bean-counter came up with that.

Bruce Hodges
Couldn't agree more. I don't want a liner in anything, and I sure don't want to stop and put a liner in or take it out.

The downside to not requiring a liner usually means less breathability -- the waterproof barrier is bonded to the shell.
Jul 20th, 2007 10:13 pm
hschisler
Quote:
Originally Posted by highroamer
... The reasons so far seem to be availability in local dealers, either at all or in the sizes needed to try on, and repairs. Is that it? What about the actual quality? How does the Light'n Easy stack up against the Motoport Mesh for instance/ I mean really stack up - grade or thickness of materiel, armour, comfort, fit, waterproofness, etc. and likewise for any other comparable items. For instance how does the Streetguard 2 compare to a similar product from other manufacturers? Or are there similar?

Articles on BMW gear would seem to indicate that its the best stuff in the world. Motoport claim the same. It seems BMW riders have voted with their wallets. I'm just wondering why because I'm researching now for an upgrade from my 12 year old Weise Jacket & Leggings.

The problem is real comparisions can only be done by people who have owned different gear, preferably at the same time so they can switch over. Others can really only comment on what they have. Maybe Howard's spreadsheet could be published and expanded by contributions from the rest of us somehow?

Kevin
Good points all around. I'd be happy to donate my spreadsheet for review, enhancement, and correction by folks on this site.

I've always believed that BMW's gear is absolutely top-quality, is priced accordingly (as in, it's worth it), and it's priced competitively to Aerostich, Motoport and other top products. Everyone has their favorite, some have or have had one or more brands.

Here's a point I didn't make:

Given a choice between going with Aerostich and actually finding a BMW dealer that had all of their various riding suits in a size that fit me, I probably still would have gone with Aerostich because of their overpants solution. BMW's Santiago, Commuter 3, Streetguard 2, and Light N Easy suits aren't overpants. I wanted something I could wear to/from work and zip off, with jeans beneath. If money was no object I'd have an Aerostich one-piece Roadcrafter for commuting and one or more of the BMW suits for non-commuting riding.
Jul 20th, 2007 8:27 pm
sonnata I read somewhere that Motoport will make their rain gear to fit over or under their suits/jackets/pants. You choose. Plus, much of their stuff is made from kevlar.
Jul 20th, 2007 7:33 pm
bruce2000ltc What's up with almost every jacket manufacturer making their garments waterproof with a zip in liner? Is this what everyone wants?

The last thing I want to do when it starts raining is stop, take off my jacket and zip in it's liner. Hell, it would be easier to stop and put on a rainsuit.....which is exactly why I started buying riding gear that was waterproof in the first place - so I wouldn't have to stop.

I know the answer to my first question is obvious: because it's a cheap way to make any jacket waterproof. I don't want cheap. I want riding gear designed by people who understand riding and how the function and convenience of their gear affects the rider.

Waterproof liner...some bean-counter came up with that.

Bruce Hodges
Jul 20th, 2007 8:53 am
STARFIGHTER BMW 3-Phase..........I love it.
While I did love my Darien pants, they leaked through the zipper ................
(somehing aerostich is fixing with the AD1 Darien pants..................
BMW pants have a simple gusset installed behind the zipper that eliminates the problem...........
BMW phase change gear, keeps me perfectly comfortable from 36F to 76F........
6 years on my BMW touring boots and still look good
BMW gloves........better fit than any I've tried and I'm really fussy about gloves.
I don't mind spending the $$ for this kind of quality.
Hell. I even bought their motorcycle.
Jul 20th, 2007 6:15 am
highroamer
Quote:
Originally Posted by messenger13
You haven't read any reviews by me then. I LOVE BMW's riding gear!
I actually have - and you're one of the exceptions, which is also the impression being created by some of the replies.

The reasons so far seem to be availability in local dealers, either at all or in the sizes needed to try on, and repairs. Is that it? What about the actual quality? How does the Light'n Easy stack up against the Motoport Mesh for instance/ I mean really stack up - grade or thickness of materiel, armour, comfort, fit, waterproofness, etc. and likewise for any other comparable items. For instance how does the Streetguard 2 compare to a similar product from other manufacturers? Or are there similar?

Articles on BMW gear would seem to indicate that its the best stuff in the world. Motoport claim the same. It seems BMW riders have voted with their wallets. I'm just wondering why because I'm researching now for an upgrade from my 12 year old Weise Jacket & Leggings.

The problem is real comparisions can only be done by people who have owned different gear, preferably at the same time so they can switch over. Others can really only comment on what they have. Maybe Howard's spreadsheet could be published and expanded by contributions from the rest of us somehow?

Kevin
Jul 19th, 2007 11:09 am
tkramer
Quote:
Originally Posted by messenger13
So it only takes an 1,800-mile round trip (food, gas, time, hotel, etc...), $850, and 3.5 weeks to get a riding suit that fits ya??? I have to believe that you could've found a BMW dealer half as close as Aerostich (4 States away! ) that carried BMW gear in your size.
But who do you send the BMW garments back to for repairs if you happen to crash or melt a hole through with the exhaust? China I presume?

I had the entire sleeve of my Darien jacket replaced for only $100 after a high-side crash. I got another 4 years out of it before retiring it for backup. Aerostich has the patterns and, depending on the damage, can reconstruct their product at a fraction of total replacement cost.

I bought an Olympia this time around just for a change, but there are a lot of things I miss about the Aerostich: pockets. Especially the sleeve pocket, which BTW is not where you want to put anything valuable, (my crash being proof of that).
Jul 18th, 2007 10:13 pm
messenger13
Quote:
Originally Posted by hschisler
If the trip had been on a bike, the 900 miles would have been OK, though.
I haven't seen many pictures of people driving their cages in Aerostich's catalog. Maybe I missed em. Yea...that's it.
Jul 18th, 2007 9:52 pm
hschisler
Quote:
Originally Posted by messenger13
Fixed!!!
Guilty as charged. If the trip had been on a bike, the 900 miles would have been OK, though.
Jul 18th, 2007 9:45 pm
messenger13
Quote:
Originally Posted by hschisler
Good point, and one I didn't address in my previous reply.

They don't have to stock all sizes, but they do need (IMO) to stock a lot more sizes than my local dealer, AND in more of the BMW products than my dealer does. And you are absolutely correct: my dealer has, on numerous occasions, reminded me that he will order anything without obligation on my part. I just don't want to put them through all the hassle; even though the apparel/parts manager will happily do it, I'm sure he's not pleased when it happens, especially with someone as picky as me. That said, I went to Aerostich where I could try on the one-piece Roadcrafter, the two-piece Roadcrafter, the Darien jacket and pants, and their AD1 pants -- all in one visit. They have all products in all sizes every day in their showroom. I understand they have a very different business model than our BMW dealers. I placed the order and then DROVE HOME 900 MILES knowing it would fit.
Fixed!!!
Jul 18th, 2007 9:27 pm
hschisler
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunderland
I don't understand the need for a BMW dealership to stock all sizes of gear. My dealer readily offers to order what we together think would be the best size and if that doesn't fit right, he will continue to reorder until he gets a garment that fits me the way I want it to. That has worked well for me although I had to make two trips to the dealer.
Good point, and one I didn't address in my previous reply.

They don't have to stock all sizes, but they do need (IMO) to stock a lot more sizes than my local dealer, AND in more of the BMW products than my dealer does. And you are absolutely correct: my dealer has, on numerous occasions, reminded me that he will order anything without obligation on my part. I just don't want to put them through all the hassle; even though the apparel/parts manager will happily do it, I'm sure he's not pleased when it happens, especially with someone as picky as me. That said, I went to Aerostich where I could try on the one-piece Roadcrafter, the two-piece Roadcrafter, the Darien jacket and pants, and their AD1 pants -- all in one visit. They have all products in all sizes every day in their showroom. I understand they have a very different business model than our BMW dealers. I placed the order and walked away knowing it would fit.
Jul 18th, 2007 6:16 pm
Sunderland I don't understand the need for a BMW dealership to stock all sizes of gear. My dealer readily offers to order what we together think would be the best size and if that doesn't fit right, he will continue to reorder until he gets a garment that fits me the way I want it to. That has worked well for me although I had to make two trips to the dealer.
Jul 18th, 2007 12:39 pm
hschisler
Quote:
Originally Posted by messenger13
So it only takes an 1,800-mile round trip (food, gas, time, hotel, etc...), $850, and 3.5 weeks to get a riding suit that fits ya??? I have to believe that you could've found a BMW dealer half as close as Aerostich (4 States away! ) that carried BMW gear in your size.
You are correct, of course -- I could have found a BMW dealer that stocked something in my size. Heck, I even built a spreadsheet showing features, specs, blah blah blah on the various BMW suits v. Aerostich and Olympia. It would have taken a lot of phone calls to find this dealer, though. Mrs. hschisler was up for a quick dash and back to Duluth, so off we went.

If you need any birthday suggestions, I'll take a BMW Light and Easy suit (yep, just like yours ) and a BMW Venting Machine suit, please.

Main reason for the Aerostich? Ease of on-and-off while commuting. Their overpants can go on right over business casual, jeans, or the occasional tuxedo.
Jul 18th, 2007 12:20 pm
messenger13
Quote:
Originally Posted by hschisler
Given all of the above, we drove to Duluth to visit Aerostich in person, did the try-on thing, and 3 1/2 weeks later had the gear. The other Aerostich plus: alterations. You can "have it your way", whether that means custom fitting or just adding/deleting options. (for example, I deleted the Velcro map pocket strips on the pants)
So it only takes an 1,800-mile round trip (food, gas, time, hotel, etc...), $850, and 3.5 weeks to get a riding suit that fits ya??? I have to believe that you could've found a BMW dealer half as close as Aerostich (4 States away! ) that carried BMW gear in your size.
Jul 18th, 2007 10:28 am
hschisler After having a couple of cheaper-but-adequate jackets and pants I'm riding with Aerostich Darien pants and jacket. I looked at several BMW products and believe they offer the same protection, function, and value as Aerostich/Motoport/some other products, but I could never find what I wanted in my size. That is BMW's Achilles' heel, IMO: I couldn't find a dealer that had a decent selection of BMW gear in all sizes. I know it's expensive to stock this stuff, but come on -- I can't try on what you don't have. Anyway...

Given all of the above, we drove to Duluth to visit Aerostich in person, did the try-on thing, and 3 1/2 weeks later had the gear. The other Aerostich plus: alterations. You can "have it your way", whether that means custom fitting or just adding/deleting options. (for example, I deleted the Velcro map pocket strips on the pants)

The Darien gear has been OK so far, although I'm still waiting to try the stuff out in something more cosmic than sprinkles. I may have to ride to Texas to experience rain in this gear.

Regarding the issue of how expensive good gear is:
1. You usually get what you pay for. The gear will last longer, function better, and look better.
2. It's a lot cheaper than a skin graft or similar medical treatment.
Jul 18th, 2007 10:17 am
Sunderland I've had Aerostich (Darien jacket & pants). Now use the BMW Santiago jacket and pants. I believe both to be very safe and functional, but the Santiago is much more comfortable for me and I was able to purchase the jacket in a tall size. Although very expensive, I try to view it as a long term investment
Jul 18th, 2007 10:01 am
messenger13 You haven't read any reviews by me then. I LOVE BMW's riding gear! I have a BMW Commuter II jacket and StreetGuard pants for temps between 60F - 110F. And a BMW Light-n-Easy jacket and Tourance pants for rain and temps below 60F. I also wear a pair of BMW Summer Rain gloves.

Around town, I wear a BMW Club jacket during shorter rides, or when I want to sport the BMW colors and look cool.

Add a complete set of Gerbing's heated gear to all the above, and there isn't any temps I can't ride in, rain or shine.

The only bitter pill to swallow regarding BMW's gear is...it is EXPENSIVE.
Jul 18th, 2007 9:30 am
highroamer
BMW gear

I've read with interest the excellent contributions on this and on other forums regarding the merits/demerits of jackets and pants from different manufacturers. Aerostitch, First Gear, Motoport, Olympia, Revit, Hein Gericke and various others get frequent mentions. What surprises me is the almost total lack of comment on BMW gear. Is there a reason? One posting included "It seems to be mandatory that you wear an Aerostich if you ride a BMW" Why is this? BMW seem to have a broad range of clothing to cover all requirements. I know they're regarded as being expensive but so are some others, so I don't think that's the reason. Has anyone done any actual comparisons? Seems curious to me since we all drive the machines.

Kevin

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