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Jul 15th, 2019 8:54 pm
mr1150gs
Re: GTL vs LT

The more I think of it the more reason to have made this an LT vs GTL vs RT thread!!
Jul 15th, 2019 5:21 am
Voyager
Re: GTL vs LT

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You can get speaker bridges that take your standard speaker output and push it through a Bluetooth transceiver, giving yo the ability to use the factory radio system and handlebar controls with Bluetooth helmet headsets.

Might be an option for you.
That does not help as the CB is not run through the speakers and you canít run a mic to the CB through the speakers. That would allow access to the FM radio, but the newer BT units come with FM radios built in.
Jul 14th, 2019 11:36 pm
meese
Re: GTL vs LT

You can get speaker bridges that take your standard speaker output and push it through a Bluetooth transceiver, giving yo the ability to use the factory radio system and handlebar controls with Bluetooth helmet headsets.

Might be an option for you.
Jul 14th, 2019 9:16 pm
Voyager
Re: GTL vs LT

Here is the LT vs GTL vs GA discussion: https://www.bmwlt.com/forums/k1200lt...-showdown.html

If you read my threads on preparing for a ride to Alaska and then recently making that trip, you will see that I ended up buying an RDL seat and keeping my LT. It made the trip with only a couple of minor issues. At this point, even though the intercom has now failed on the passenger channel, I will probably keep it a couple more years and then look to sell it. I need to buy BT headsets now which render the bike radio and CB inaccessible. So, I likely will remove the CB this winter (that is a significance project) and try to sell the CB and the BMW corded headsets. Both work fine, but are useless without a functioning VOICE II intercom.
Jul 14th, 2019 9:06 pm
Voyager
Re: GTL vs LT

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Originally Posted by johnnyjo&ANNE View Post
Your thoughts about it?
The short version is that I consider the new Wing a sport touring bike, not a luxury touring bike. It would be a pretty good bike for a solo rider, but not for two-up travelers who travel for more than 3-4 days at a time ... unless you tow a trailer.

Here is a longer discussion: https://www.bmwlt.com/forums/k1200lt...-new-wing.html

I also started a thread to talk about the GTL and GA and I will find that and add it here.
Jul 14th, 2019 8:35 pm
johnnyjo&ANNE
Re: GTL vs LT

Your thoughts about it?
Jul 14th, 2019 4:14 pm
Voyager
Re: GTL vs LT

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Originally Posted by johnnyjo&ANNE View Post
Thanks for all the info on the GTL vs LT. But I'm left wondering if any of you have spent anytime on the new GoldWing? Thanks
I spent about 120 miles and maybe 3 hours on a test ride last year in Russellville.
Jul 14th, 2019 4:04 pm
johnnyjo&ANNE
Re: GTL vs LT

Thanks for all the info on the GTL vs LT. But I'm left wondering if any of you have spent anytime on the new GoldWing? Thanks
Jul 9th, 2019 6:45 am
Voyager
Re: GTL vs LT

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Originally Posted by mr1150gs View Post
SO the LT is leaking oil at the FD boot indicating tranny output shaft seal. Also dropped it at 0 miles just because I was fully loaded 2 up. Could this be signs of things to come (due to age and reliability) or am I looking for excuses to get into an RT or GTL?
My first oil leak at the FD boot was the pinion seal, not the transmission. It can be hard to know which end is leaking. My second leak was the transmission output seal. I am batting 1.000 in FD boot leaks.
Jul 9th, 2019 5:51 am
mr1150gs
Re: GTL vs LT

SO the LT is leaking oil at the FD boot indicating tranny output shaft seal. Also dropped it at 0 miles just because I was fully loaded 2 up. Could this be signs of things to come (due to age and reliability) or am I looking for excuses to get into an RT or GTL?
Jun 23rd, 2019 8:57 am
james216
Re: GTL vs LT

I don't know. Nobody i know who is an avid rider/potential customer had anything good to say about it. Same complants too. The Wings seat,sidecase/trunk storage. Fuel capacity. Etc... The general consensus is pretty clear to me.
Jun 22nd, 2019 3:36 pm
Voyager
Re: GTL vs LT

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Originally Posted by mr1150gs View Post
For me, I realize that Honda makes a good product and bullet proof engines but I just do not get the same feeling just sitting on it. I know that does not constitute a comprehensive study on why I rule it out but if I had to spend that much and I cannot get past the įsmellį test, well I would be less inclined to get out the check book...
I certainly understand that. My Voyager XII was much like a wing. It was reliable and almost maintenance free with its hydraulic valve lifters, but it just wasnít nearly as fun to ride as the LT. However, I must admit that the new Wing changed my mind about owning a wing. It was actually quite fun to ride through the curvy roads of Arkansas. I think if the obvious touring bike shortcomings were addressed, I could enjoy owning one.
Jun 22nd, 2019 11:13 am
mr1150gs
Re: GTL vs LT

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Originally Posted by james216 View Post
Well said on all points concerning the new Wing. I actually do like the the styling much more than the last model. I'm baffled. Honda addressed the Wings shortcomings. The power windshield, better suspension Etc... Then they mess with the luggage capacity?? With LED lighting. They could have gotten the same amount of space as previous. Probably more room out of at least the trunk. I was and am disappointed in Honda.
For me, I realize that Honda makes a good product and bullet proof engines but I just do not get the same feeling just sitting on it. I know that does not constitute a comprehensive study on why I rule it out but if I had to spend that much and I cannot get past the įsmellį test, well I would be less inclined to get out the check book...
Jun 22nd, 2019 10:33 am
Voyager
Re: GTL vs LT

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Originally Posted by james216 View Post
Well said on all points concerning the new Wing. I actually do like the the styling much more than the last model. I'm baffled. Honda addressed the Wings shortcomings. The power windshield, better suspension Etc... Then they mess with the luggage capacity?? With LED lighting. They could have gotten the same amount of space as previous. Probably more room out of at least the trunk. I was and am disappointed in Honda.
Same here. I had very high hopes when it was first announced and the early pictures looked great. Then the details began to emerge and I saw one live at the Cleveland IMS and that pretty much convinced me it wasn’t for me. However, the extensive test ride sealed it for me and my wife. We both agreed it was a no go.

It will be curious to see if Honda addresses any of the feedback on the new Wing. Even long time Wing fanatics like Cruiseman have blasted the seats, GPS and to a lesser degree the tank and case capacity. Cruiseman is a sole rider so the case capacity is not an issue for him and he seems to have rationalized the smaller tank to some degree, but the GPS is laughable as are the stock seats.

I have heard that the Wing sales have been disappointing after getting off to a great start, but it is hard to get hard numbers so that may just be fake news.
Jun 22nd, 2019 10:25 am
james216
Re: GTL vs LT

Well said on all points concerning the new Wing. I actually do like the the styling much more than the last model. I'm baffled. Honda addressed the Wings shortcomings. The power windshield, better suspension Etc... Then they mess with the luggage capacity?? With LED lighting. They could have gotten the same amount of space as previous. Probably more room out of at least the trunk. I was and am disappointed in Honda.
Jun 22nd, 2019 10:12 am
james216
Re: GTL vs LT

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Originally Posted by mr1150gs View Post
So perhaps I should have added the RT as a 3rd comparison given that Iím not getting any younger and weight will be more and more a factor to continue ridding.

The Wing, well Iím just not into that as Iím sure it has itís advantages but has/will never do anything for me!
As i get older. The weight of the LT will become more of a issue. And of course repairs and mileage. A R1200 wethead is looking more and more like the LT replacement . And a Wing especially a new one doesn't interest me.
Jun 22nd, 2019 10:11 am
Voyager
Re: GTL vs LT

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Originally Posted by mr1150gs View Post
So perhaps I should have added the RT as a 3rd comparison given that I’m not getting any younger and weight will be more and more a factor to continue ridding.

The Wing, well I’m just not into that as I’m sure it has it’s advantages but has/will never do anything for me!
I was fairly impressed with the new Wing except for the aforementioned design shortcomings. The engine is fantastic, probably better for touring than the K1600 as it emphasizes power down low where a touring riding most needs it. And it runs on 87 octane all day long without issue. And probably would run on 85. It rode very well and handled well and had great wind protection. If the cases would hold FF helmets and the tank was 6.5 gallons or larger, I’d probably be riding one. I like the styling and I like the dealer network and reliability and more reasonable parts prices.

However, the shortcomings are just too great. The RT and GA both miss the mark for me, but I figure if I have to miss the mark, I might as miss it with a bike that is less expensive, lighter, gets better fuel mileage, is easier to work on and probably will be more reliable. And that is the RT.
Jun 22nd, 2019 10:01 am
mr1150gs
Re: GTL vs LT

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Originally Posted by james216 View Post
I was thinking maybe a R1200 - 1250. As i believe it's the best selection of what's left of so called Touring Bikes.
So perhaps I should have added the RT as a 3rd comparison given that Iím not getting any younger and weight will be more and more a factor to continue ridding.

The Wing, well Iím just not into that as Iím sure it has itís advantages but has/will never do anything for me!
Jun 21st, 2019 10:02 pm
Voyager
Re: GTL vs LT

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Originally Posted by james216 View Post
I was thinking maybe a R1200 - 1250. As i believe it's the best selection of what's left of so called Touring Bikes.
That is where I have landed also.
Jun 21st, 2019 9:07 pm
james216
Re: GTL vs LT

I was thinking maybe a R1200 - 1250. As i believe it's the best selection of what's left of so called Touring Bikes.
Jun 21st, 2019 8:54 pm
james216
Re: GTL vs LT

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Originally Posted by Voyager View Post
I agree. The LT was one of a kind and probably the last of its kind. The other large luxury touring bikes have either gone away (Suzuki Cavalcade), gone retro (Kawasaki Vulcan Voyager, Yamaha Venture), or gone sport tourer (GTL, New Wing). The GA is probably closest to the LT, but falls short on wind protection, passenger comfort (the backrest is really wonky) and highway stability.

I am still not sure what my next bike will be, but most likely either a GA or an R1250RT.
Oh ..The Cavalcade. Now that was a bike way ahead of it's time. My freind just sold his a few years back. That bike was the best equipped in it's day. It had passenger adjustable floorboards. A adjustable trunk via cable control fore aft adjustment. Air adjustable seat cushions,cruise control. A 1400 cc motor that was smooth. Typical Suzuki. Didn't get behind it/advertise or support it. Between the Wing and a Cade. The Cade was hands down better. Same with the 1st gen Yamaha Venture Royale. That bike had anti fork dive technology. That detuned Vmax V4 motor. Great tour bike. How Honda took the touring bike crown back then is beyond me.
Jun 21st, 2019 7:30 pm
Voyager
Re: GTL vs LT

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Originally Posted by albamoto View Post
I was also very interested in the new Gold Wing when I heard about it coming out.
I even went to the massive Italian bike show in Milan to see it but Honda dropped the ball for me with the gas tank and panniers being too small. Not being able to even put a helmet in a pannier is so stupid it's beyond belief. I know Honda brought out the story of "most folk only go away for a weekend" really ?.
I am usually looking at 3 weeks in Europe to make the holiday cost effective.
Hopefully BMW will either totally remake the GTL or do a massive upgrade ie tft screen with new bluetooth and styling in the not too distant future.
My KLR650 is for weekend rides. My LT is for real touring.
Jun 21st, 2019 11:47 am
albamoto I was also very interested in the new Gold Wing when I heard about it coming out.
I even went to the massive Italian bike show in Milan to see it but Honda dropped the ball for me with the gas tank and panniers being too small. Not being able to even put a helmet in a pannier is so stupid it's beyond belief. I know Honda brought out the story of "most folk only go away for a weekend" really ?.
I am usually looking at 3 weeks in Europe to make the holiday cost effective.
Hopefully BMW will either totally remake the GTL or do a massive upgrade ie tft screen with new bluetooth and styling in the not too distant future.
Jun 20th, 2019 11:06 am
Voyager
Re: GTL vs LT

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Originally Posted by HOGnDAS View Post
I come from the other direction. I first had the GTLE. It had the Aeroflow set up and the RDL. For me it was fast and smooth and not much fun to ride. I thought it was terrible in crosswinds or around trucks.Of course with all of that "fast" you don't have to be around trucks for long. I love riding the LT. Better comfort. Rides better and harder through corners than I do. Plenty of power for my style of riding. Should I decide I've had enough of it I'll get the newer version of the Gold Wing.
If I was a solo only rider, I would have bought a new Wing also. Add a decent GPS, decent seat and carry a gallon or two of extra gas and it would be a pretty nice ride. If Honda had not made the gas tank and cases so small, I would have bought one after my test ride last summer. The only really bad part were the seats and GPS, but they can be addressed. The tank and cases are not so easy to fix.
Jun 20th, 2019 8:54 am
HOGnDAS
Re: GTL vs LT

I come from the other direction. I first had the GTLE. It had the Aeroflow set up and the RDL. For me it was fast and smooth and not much fun to ride. I thought it was terrible in crosswinds or around trucks.Of course with all of that "fast" you don't have to be around trucks for long. I love riding the LT. Better comfort. Rides better and harder through corners than I do. Plenty of power for my style of riding. Should I decide I've had enough of it I'll get the newer version of the Gold Wing.
Jun 20th, 2019 8:22 am
Voyager
Re: GTL vs LT

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Originally Posted by james216 View Post
Well. Don't hold your breath on future products. It's Not just BMW that's guilty. If i didn't know better. I'd swear. All motorcycle manufacturers deliberately ignore what their customer base wants. I can think of 3 examples of these corporate pinheads building just the opposite machine of what the customer base told them. (Think of the new Yamaha Venture.)
I agree. The LT was one of a kind and probably the last of its kind. The other large luxury touring bikes have either gone away (Suzuki Cavalcade), gone retro (Kawasaki Vulcan Voyager, Yamaha Venture), or gone sport tourer (GTL, New Wing). The GA is probably closest to the LT, but falls short on wind protection, passenger comfort (the backrest is really wonky) and highway stability.

I am still not sure what my next bike will be, but most likely either a GA or an R1250RT.
Jun 20th, 2019 8:18 am
Voyager
Re: GTL vs LT

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Originally Posted by meese View Post
Have you ridden a Goldwing? Nothing's getting round that massive fairing...

My LT needed a custom windscreen to be really good at wind management.

My GTL has an AeroFlow screen and AeroFlow wings, and it's 95% as good as the LT was for wind.
Yes, yes, I have.

I took a 120 mile test ride on a 2018 Wing last year at the CCR reunion. I would say its wind protection was a match for the LT now that it also has an electrically adjustable windshield. I have not ridden an Aeroflow equipped GTL as no dealer seems to equip any demo bikes that way.
Jun 20th, 2019 8:15 am
Voyager
Re: GTL vs LT

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Originally Posted by meese View Post
There's a mesh screen bag on the fuel pump inlet pickup, rather than an inline filter that can clog and has to be changed.

Same as with the K12/13GT, which I've run for 200,000 miles and the GTL, which I've run for 100,000 miles with no fuel related issues, as have thousands of others...
They work great as long as you keep clean and fresh fuel in the tank. Let a batch of fuel go bad and clog that screen and then you will have a bunch of trouble.
Jun 20th, 2019 8:12 am
Voyager
Re: GTL vs LT

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Originally Posted by james216 View Post
Well. Almost everything else better. In addition to passenger comfort
Nothing beats the LT for wind/weather protection IMHO. Except those 2 things.Yea the GTL does everything better.
I guess that depends on your definition of ďeverything.Ē. I have ridden 4 GTL/GAs and found many things the LT does better. My LT shifts better than any GTL Iíve ridden. Smoother and quieter. The LT drivetrain is smoother with less apparent lash than every GTL Iíve ridden. The aforementioned wind and rain protection, particularly for the riderís hands and feet and the passenger almost everywhere. The stock LT seats are better, both rider and pillion. The passenger backrest is better. The LT is more stable on the interstate particularly when behind a semi. The LT is much easier for valve adjustments and at least as easy for oil changes. And checking the oil is a 10 minute operation on the GTL and a few seconds on the LT to get the flashlight out.

So, I think ďeverythingĒ is a stretch. It does a lot better, but several things not as good. It all depends on which things matter most to you. Unfortunately, the things the GTL does better donít matter to me as much as the things it doesnít do better.
Jun 20th, 2019 12:17 am
james216
Re: GTL vs LT

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Originally Posted by meese View Post
Have you ridden a Goldwing? Nothing's getting round that massive fairing...

My LT needed a custom windscreen to be really good at wind management.

My GTL has an AeroFlow screen and AeroFlow wings, and it's 95% as good as the LT was for wind.
My buddy has a 2010 Goldwing. He and i both agreed his Wing has a nice fairing. But the LT's fairing is better.
Jun 20th, 2019 12:01 am
james216
Re: GTL vs LT

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Originally Posted by albamoto View Post
Iilium do passenger floor boards for the 1600gtl but I am not sure if BMW have them as an original accessory.
My LT is currently off the road with servo problems again ( I do hate that system )
But I love the bike as a whole. I will just have to wait and see what might come out in the near future.
Well. Don't hold your breath on future products. It's Not just BMW that's guilty. If i didn't know better. I'd swear. All motorcycle manufacturers deliberately ignore what their customer base wants. I can think of 3 examples of these corporate pinheads building just the opposite machine of what the customer base told them. (Think of the new Yamaha Venture.)
Jun 19th, 2019 11:51 pm
meese
Re: GTL vs LT

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Originally Posted by james216 View Post
Nothing beats the LT for wind/weather protection IMHO.
Have you ridden a Goldwing? Nothing's getting round that massive fairing...

My LT needed a custom windscreen to be really good at wind management.

My GTL has an AeroFlow screen and AeroFlow wings, and it's 95% as good as the LT was for wind.
Jun 19th, 2019 11:48 pm
meese
Re: GTL vs LT

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Originally Posted by Voyager View Post
What does the GTL use for filtering the fuel? If it truly has no filtration at all, that is a disaster waiting to happen on a fuel injected engine.
There's a mesh screen bag on the fuel pump inlet pickup, rather than an inline filter that can clog and has to be changed.

Same as with the K12/13GT, which I've run for 200,000 miles and the GTL, which I've run for 100,000 miles with no fuel related issues, as have thousands of others...
Jun 19th, 2019 11:33 pm
james216
Re: GTL vs LT

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Originally Posted by meese View Post
I have well over 100K miles on two LTs, and am approaching 100K miles on two GTLs.

The LT has absolutely the best passenger accommodations, period. And it handles really well for a bike of its size and weight.

And the GTL simply does everything else better.

Less weight, more power, much more torque, smooth, handles great, traction control, ride modes, adjustable suspension, adaptive HID, Bluetooth, etc.

I sometimes miss my old LT, as does my wife especially, but I wouldn't dream of trading back...

Best thing you can do is take a GTL for a test ride. But leave your wallet at home...
Well. Almost everything else better. In addition to passenger comfort
Nothing beats the LT for wind/weather protection IMHO. Except those 2 things.Yea the GTL does everything better.
Jun 19th, 2019 8:39 pm
Voyager
Re: GTL vs LT

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Originally Posted by meese View Post
Valve checks are a bit more complicated on the K16, as you have to remove the radiator. And there are more valves, of course.

The LT's sideways Brick motor means the valves are more easily accessible. It also means that they tend to wear more, requiring cam removal and bucket changes at most valve checks.

But every other maintenance item is simpler on the K16 than the LT. After all, the LT requires removing the fuel tank to change the air and fuel filters, and the K16 doesn't even need a fuel filter.

BMW recommends valve checks every 18K miles, but most riders move that to 24K miles, since those valves rarely wear enough to need the cams removed and the shims replaced. So for most riders, that's an expense that only comes up every few years at most.

And $1,500 sounds quiet steep for a valve check alone. Maybe it was a full annual service, including all fluids and filters and flushes?
What does the GTL use for filtering the fuel? If it truly has no filtration at all, that is a disaster waiting to happen on a fuel injected engine.
Jun 19th, 2019 7:49 pm
meese
Re: GTL vs LT

Valve checks are a bit more complicated on the K16, as you have to remove the radiator. And there are more valves, of course.

The LT's sideways Brick motor means the valves are more easily accessible. It also means that they tend to wear more, requiring cam removal and bucket changes at most valve checks.

But every other maintenance item is simpler on the K16 than the LT. After all, the LT requires removing the fuel tank to change the air and fuel filters, and the K16 doesn't even need a fuel filter.

BMW recommends valve checks every 18K miles, but most riders move that to 24K miles, since those valves rarely wear enough to need the cams removed and the shims replaced. So for most riders, that's an expense that only comes up every few years at most.

And $1,500 sounds quiet steep for a valve check alone. Maybe it was a full annual service, including all fluids and filters and flushes?
Jun 19th, 2019 7:39 pm
jzeiler
Re: GTL vs LT

That was !,500 just to check the valves as the entire cooling system has to be drained and the radiator removed just to get to the cylinder head cover. Then you have to vacuum fill it back up.
Jun 19th, 2019 7:33 pm
Voyager
Re: GTL vs LT

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Originally Posted by radar41 View Post
I am going to throw this out for your consideration: A very close friend, with a 2009 LT, (after selling his bike and riding gear because he had lymphoma) survived the treatments and is now back into riding. He found a VERY nice GTL Exclusive for he and his wife (she likes it but says not as comfortable as the LT).

The bike needed the 18,000 mile service, so he asked if I would help (I've done extensive work on my LT), I turned him down because of the complexity of the GTL to simply check the valves. He then took it to the dealer - dealer charged him $1500 to do the service!!

IF you can afford the maintenance the GTL is an awesome machine!!
I paid $1,000 for my LT 12,000 mile service 10 years ago so I donít think the GTL is any worse than the LT. And from what I read, it is much less trouble-prone than the LT.

If I survived cancer, Iíd be ecstatic to pay $1,500 to enjoy riding again! 🙂
Jun 19th, 2019 4:27 pm
radar41
Re: GTL vs LT

I am going to throw this out for your consideration: A very close friend, with a 2009 LT, (after selling his bike and riding gear because he had lymphoma) survived the treatments and is now back into riding. He found a VERY nice GTL Exclusive for he and his wife (she likes it but says not as comfortable as the LT).

The bike needed the 18,000 mile service, so he asked if I would help (I've done extensive work on my LT), I turned him down because of the complexity of the GTL to simply check the valves. He then took it to the dealer - dealer charged him $1500 to do the service!!

IF you can afford the maintenance the GTL is an awesome machine!!
Jun 17th, 2019 8:25 pm
mr1150gs
Re: GTL vs LT

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Originally Posted by albamoto View Post
Iilium do passenger floor boards for the 1600gtl but I am not sure if BMW have them as an original accessory.
My LT is currently off the road with servo problems again ( I do hate that system )
But I love the bike as a whole. I will just have to wait and see what might come out in the near future.
Sounds like a plan and hopefully there will be a replacement that is closer to what the LT offered.
Jun 16th, 2019 5:33 am
albamoto Iilium do passenger floor boards for the 1600gtl but I am not sure if BMW have them as an original accessory.
My LT is currently off the road with servo problems again ( I do hate that system )
But I love the bike as a whole. I will just have to wait and see what might come out in the near future.
Jun 15th, 2019 7:12 pm
mr1150gs
Re: GTL vs LT

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Originally Posted by albamoto View Post
This is a great post. I have swithered about changing my LT for the last couple of years but my wife loves the pillion on it even though she has a R1200Gs ADV of her own. I am hoping that BMW might bring an all new GTL or equivalent out in 2021 as they seem to do a major change about every 10 years. Can but hope.
I know, itís all about keeping her happy and the GTL, even just sitting on it, does not fit as well for her. She also likes the floor boards on the LT to plant her feet which I understand is not a BMW option but there is an aftermarket part that has been recently(?) available.
Jun 15th, 2019 4:36 am
albamoto This is a great post. I have swithered about changing my LT for the last couple of years but my wife loves the pillion on it even though she has a R1200Gs ADV of her own. I am hoping that BMW might bring an all new GTL or equivalent out in 2021 as they seem to do a major change about every 10 years. Can but hope.
Jun 12th, 2019 6:48 pm
mr1150gs
Re: GTL vs LT

So are there GTL options that are a must have other than aftermarket windscreen and seats? Reverse has been mentioned but that has only recently been available.
Jun 12th, 2019 5:39 pm
mr1150gs
Re: GTL vs LT

So are there GTL options that are a must have other than aftermarket windscreen and seats? Reverse has been mentioned but that has only recently been available.
Jun 12th, 2019 5:36 pm
mr1150gs
Re: GTL vs LT

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Originally Posted by JNW003 View Post
One thing not really touched on in the above commentary, is ease of maintenance. The GTL is much easier to maintain (except for the 18,000 mile valve check, since you need to remove the radiator on the GTL). I seem to recall spending a lot more time doing maintenance on the LT - brake systems were a pain, shifter linkage required much more attention, oil changes and tupperware removal and installation were harder and more time consuming. I had/have the gold standard RDL seat on both the LT and GTLE, as BMW stock seats have been a pain in the ____ on both bikes. Weather protection was better on the LT, but with an Aerostich Roadcrafter suit, it really doesn't matter to me anymore.
Good to know, thanks. When it comes to maintenance, the LT is definitely not the easiest but after a few times it became satisfying. I assume it will be the same with any new machine that you need to get to know.

I take it you are pleased with your GTL and would not go back to the LT.

Thanks again!
Jun 12th, 2019 5:31 pm
Voyager
Re: GTL vs LT

You have lots of good comments here and I agree with most of them. I have nowhere near the miles on either bike that some here have. I have 80,000 on my LT and about 6,000 total on two different GTLs, both rentals in Europe and the UK.

The GTL is easier to maintain than the LT, except for valve adjustments and oil changes. Checking the oil is also a stupid procedure on the GTL if you follow the book.

I think Dan summed it up best with his solo vs dual comment. If I was a solo rider, I would probably trade my LT for a GTL. Actually, I would trade it for the new R1250RT, but the GTL would be the second choice. However, my wife did not like the GTL at all. And she was only slightly more impressed with the GA. The GA is a more direct replacement for the LT as the passenger comfort is definitely better and it feels lower to the ground at stops.

The main thing I would add is to do more than just a test ride. On a test ride, you will be wowed by the power and handling and not see some of the other issues. I would recommend trying to rent one for at least a week and put a couple thousand miles on it and try to ride in some rain and cold. The first few days I was on the GTL in Switzerland, I thought it was the catís pajamas. Then we got to ride all day in the rain and cross several passes with temps down to 2 Celsius. I was dying to have my LT back by then as was my wife.
Jun 12th, 2019 5:17 pm
JNW003
Re: GTL vs LT

One thing not really touched on in the above commentary, is ease of maintenance. The GTL is much easier to maintain (except for the 18,000 mile valve check, since you need to remove the radiator on the GTL). I seem to recall spending a lot more time doing maintenance on the LT - brake systems were a pain, shifter linkage required much more attention, oil changes and tupperware removal and installation were harder and more time consuming. I had/have the gold standard RDL seat on both the LT and GTLE, as BMW stock seats have been a pain in the ____ on both bikes. Weather protection was better on the LT, but with an Aerostich Roadcrafter suit, it really doesn't matter to me anymore.
Jun 12th, 2019 12:44 pm
mr1150gs
Re: GTL vs LT

Thank you guys for the great write-ups! I have always wondered about trading up on the basis of ďyou only live onceĒ but the LT, and the confidence I have knowing I can maintain it for years to come with the help of this forum, always makes me wonder why I would spend a small fortune for a bike that is not as comfortable. In other words, the LT does everything well enough to keep now that I have grown accustomed to it so it is difficult tp justify spending that much more for the +ís and -Ďs of the GTL.

Thanks again!!
Jun 12th, 2019 10:19 am
DanDiver
Re: GTL vs LT

Quick answer.... If you ride with a passenger, get or stay with the LT. If you ride solo, get the K1600.

8 years and 50,000 miles on an LT, mostly solo and about the same on a GTL. Everything I liked about the LT and everything I wanted in the LT was built into the GTL. All the rest is commentary.... It did take me about 1,000 miles thought to get into my comfort zone on the GTL. It is very different from the LT.
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