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May 22nd, 2007 8:26 pm
jackd
Quote:
Originally Posted by 355pilot
Thought I would ask here while we are all on the subject of protecting our hearing.

Does anyone know of any noise cancelling helmets or inserts. At work I fly daily with noise canceling flight helmet and also headsets. Bose make a version also for home use listening to your stereo. Just got to wonder why they are not common in helmets because they are everyday in aircraft and work just fine.

Mike
A few years ago I had a long talk with a rep from Nolan and she told me that the noise problem I was experiencing with the Nolan helmet I had was poor fit at the face area and air turbulence directed at the helmet off my windscreen. According to her, the noise you get in a helmet is air being forced at the spaces near your ears. It doesn't take much air going across a bottle to make a noise that will drive you crazy. To cancel that noise you need to seal that air. When I think of noise canceling headphones/helmets I think of ambient noise from mechanical sources like an engine or fan.
May 22nd, 2007 4:15 pm
355pilot Thought I would ask here while we are all on the subject of protecting our hearing.

Does anyone know of any noise cancelling helmets or inserts. At work I fly daily with noise canceling flight helmet and also headsets. Bose make a version also for home use listening to your stereo. Just got to wonder why they are not common in helmets because they are everyday in aircraft and work just fine.

Mike
May 22nd, 2007 1:27 pm
DanDiver
thanks

Quote:
Originally Posted by jackd
I bought them from a vendor at CCR in Colorado three years ago for about $50.

I use them almost exclusively on the bike. I have another pair that I bought and carry for noisy work environments. I also have a different set of plug in ear 'mufflers' I use when shooting. I don't think there is one overall best solution.

I wash them in hot water with mild soap when I see that they are getting ugly. As you can imagine they get dirty with ear wax and from handling. When I clean them they don't go in easily and I found that they can be difficult to put in. If they don't sit in the correct position they can get uncomfortable after a few hours.. Once I put a drop of hearing aid 'grease' on the part that goes into the ear canal they get completely comfortable again and very easy to get into the 'correct' place... They fit perfectly because they were made for me.. Of course the grease probably adds to the need to constantly wash them but the grease adds so much to the comfort level..

I had lots of reservations about putting those plugs in and riding but they are really great and take the air noise and drone out of riding at high speed on the interstates.

If I go into a fast food place for a break or a gas station and need to talk I just twist one of them slightly out of position and my hearing becomes acceptable for quick conversation.. and a quarter turn puts them back in service.

I get so used to them that when I come home I sometimes get in the house and I have already taken my boots off, hung my jacket up and I still have them in..
Just what I was looking for........
May 22nd, 2007 1:11 pm
jackd
Quote:
Originally Posted by dandiver
and I assume you use them on your bike? Are they difficult to clean? How do you clean them?
I bought them from a vendor at CCR in Colorado three years ago for about $50.

I use them almost exclusively on the bike. I have another pair that I bought and carry for noisy work environments. I also have a different set of plug in ear 'mufflers' I use when shooting. I don't think there is one overall best solution.

I wash them in hot water with mild soap when I see that they are getting ugly. As you can imagine they get dirty with ear wax and from handling. When I clean them they don't go in easily and I found that they can be difficult to put in. If they don't sit in the correct position they can get uncomfortable after a few hours.. Once I put a drop of hearing aid 'grease' on the part that goes into the ear canal they get completely comfortable again and very easy to get into the 'correct' place... They fit perfectly because they were made for me.. Of course the grease probably adds to the need to constantly wash them but the grease adds so much to the comfort level..

I had lots of reservations about putting those plugs in and riding but they are really great and take the air noise and drone out of riding at high speed on the interstates.

If I go into a fast food place for a break or a gas station and need to talk I just twist one of them slightly out of position and my hearing becomes acceptable for quick conversation.. and a quarter turn puts them back in service.

I get so used to them that when I come home I sometimes get in the house and I have already taken my boots off, hung my jacket up and I still have them in..
May 22nd, 2007 12:39 pm
mtrevelino
Quote:
Originally Posted by dandiver
"Razer m100 Pro|Solutions Protone In-Ear Earphone 2-Pack
$29.99
Mike, is this what you ordered? Simply for the sound and not noise block?
That is what I ordered, but as Tony said, they are sold out. This is just something that I want to try to see if they are less painful than my molded ear plugs. These should cut some of the road noise.
May 22nd, 2007 12:34 pm
mtrevelino
Quote:
Originally Posted by deputy5211
Has anybody had any luck with Now Hear This?
I have the Now hear This molded ear plugs. I got them while at CCR in Breckenridge. As I said in a earlier post, the left ear piece hurts after about 1/2 hour. Hopefully Marilyn will be at this years CCR to take a look at it. I also had a bad Autocom adapter in which Marilyn replaced with no problems.
May 22nd, 2007 8:58 am
deputy5211 Has anybody had any luck with Now Hear This? I have tried to order several time from their web site, and it always says "we'll call you shortly to confirm" or something like that, but the call or email never comes. I have emailed, but no response.

I've been trying to get some things ordered from her for almost six months, no joy. Anyone have any luck ordering from them other than at shows?
May 22nd, 2007 8:50 am
deputy5211
Quote:
Originally Posted by dandiver
"Razer m100 Pro|Solutions Protone In-Ear Earphone 2-Pack
$29.99
1 Razer m100 Pro|Solutions Pro|Tone In-Ear Earphone (black)
1 Razer m100 Pro|Solutions Pro|Tone In-Ear Earphone (white) "


Mike, is this what you ordered? Simply for the sound and not noise block?
I just checked Woot, sold out.
May 22nd, 2007 6:04 am
DanDiver
Quote:
Originally Posted by mtrevelino
I just ordered a set of these today on http://www.woot.com/
I too have the earplugs and the left side gets unbearable after 1/2 hour.
"Razer m100 Pro|Solutions Protone In-Ear Earphone 2-Pack
$29.99
1 Razer m100 Pro|Solutions Pro|Tone In-Ear Earphone (black)
1 Razer m100 Pro|Solutions Pro|Tone In-Ear Earphone (white) "


Mike, is this what you ordered? Simply for the sound and not noise block?
May 22nd, 2007 4:14 am
mtrevelino I just ordered a set of these today on http://www.woot.com/
I too have the earplugs and the left side gets unbearable after 1/2 hour.
May 21st, 2007 9:35 pm
DanDiver
where did you get them?

and I assume you use them on your bike? Are they difficult to clean? How do you clean them?
May 21st, 2007 8:41 pm
jackd
Quote:
Originally Posted by dandiver
I like the disposable ones and have been using the Max, probably from your previous recommendation (bought a big box) but after several hours they start to hurt. I use them also in skydiving ,but that trip only last about 15 minutes. They work well just have to deal with the discomfort as the hearing is more important...
I had a custom pair made.. I tried using the foam ones in my day job and I found they were uncomfortable after a few hours also. My ear plugs are not pretty but I have worn them as long as a 1K day... They feel the same at the end of the day as in the beginning.

One suggestion... I bought some hearing aid lubricant from a hearing aid store to help with comfort of putting them in after they are cleaned.. Because they do get dirty.

I recommend custom plugs..
May 21st, 2007 7:06 pm
DanDiver
Yes....... thanks

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick
Hi, Dano --- you prolly read my earlier post in this thread; the one about me using the Howard Leight Max-1 foam plugs that I purchase by the box here. May just be me, butt I can wear 'em all day long on my 700 mile plus runs to KS without any discomfort. Just an FYI.

BTW, I assume from your post that you ride almost all the time with foam plugs. And, I assume you install them like the favored method, i.e.; slightly roll them to decrease the circumference; then pull up the top of the left ear with your right hand over your head, while inserting the plugs into the canal with your left hand (reverse for right ear); hold for about 10-15 seconds while the plugs deform back to original circumference and thus fill the air passage. I know you know that; just so other folks that are just getting into wearing ear plugs know it.

Now, having said all that; I'm back and forth on the decision to go for molded ear plugs. Like I said in an earlier post; I'd want 'em with embedded speakers. I'm just concerned about keeping them hygienically clean, which isn't a worry with the disposable foam plugs. I usually use them for two, maybe three at the most, trips; then toss 'em.

Doesn't answer your main question, Dano - just some data to add to your search for a solution to ear hurt!!
I like the disposable ones and have been using the Max, probably from your previous recommendation (bought a big box) but after several hours they start to hurt. I use them also in skydiving ,but that trip only last about 15 minutes. They work well just have to deal with the discomfort as the hearing is more important...
May 21st, 2007 6:27 pm
Dick
Quote:
Originally Posted by dandiver
I just got back from a 2,000 mile trip to WV and found that after about 3-4 hours, my ears really hurt with foam disposable ear plugs. The plugs did a great job in blocking the noise, but caused a lot of ear discomfort. Who uses ear plugs for more than 3-4 hours and would recommend them fro comfort? Which ones do you use? I've tried a dozen different different disposable ones and all seem to hurt after about 4 hours. Do the custom ones really feel better after a long ride? I rarely ride without them.
Hi, Dano --- you prolly read my earlier post in this thread; the one about me using the Howard Leight Max-1 foam plugs that I purchase by the box here. May just be me, butt I can wear 'em all day long on my 700 mile plus runs to KS without any discomfort. Just an FYI.

BTW, I assume from your post that you ride almost all the time with foam plugs. And, I assume you install them like the favored method, i.e.; slightly roll them to decrease the circumference; then pull up the top of the left ear with your right hand over your head, while inserting the plugs into the canal with your left hand (reverse for right ear); hold for about 10-15 seconds while the plugs deform back to original circumference and thus fill the air passage. I know you know that; just so other folks that are just getting into wearing ear plugs know it.

Now, having said all that; I'm back and forth on the decision to go for molded ear plugs. Like I said in an earlier post; I'd want 'em with embedded speakers. I'm just concerned about keeping them hygienically clean, which isn't a worry with the disposable foam plugs. I usually use them for two, maybe three at the most, trips; then toss 'em.

Doesn't answer your main question, Dano - just some data to add to your search for a solution to ear hurt!!
May 21st, 2007 5:36 pm
DanDiver
BUMP - Looking for comfort

I just got back from a 2,000 mile trip to WV and found that after about 3-4 hours, my ears really hurt with foam disposable ear plugs. The plugs did a great job in blocking the noise, but caused a lot of ear discomfort. Who uses ear plugs for more than 3-4 hours and would recommend them fro comfort? Which ones do you use? I've tried a dozen different different disposable ones and all seem to hurt after about 4 hours. Do the custom ones really feel better after a long ride? I rarely ride without them.
Feb 28th, 2007 12:41 am
tvguy
Arizona Al's info

Al Schibi
480-668-0683
Mesa, Arizona
[email protected]

This guy is the best and has the latest in protection.
Feb 27th, 2007 11:57 pm
dmatson I don't know if the guy(ArizonaAl) who made mine has a website. Here are some pic's so you can see them. They are connected to my ipod with apples remote that I attach to my jacket so I can control the music. They sound great. The speakers are in the transducer, the fat thing the air tubes go into.

Feb 19th, 2007 11:36 am
jackd
Quote:
Originally Posted by hschisler
I can't visualize this. Air tubes? This means no wires from the audio device to your ears? Got a web site I can check out?

Thanks for the reply.
Interesting.. but I can't visualize this either... seems like it has an air tube like you would use on an 90's commercial airplane.. (i.e. coach)

Doug do you still wear earplugs with this tube speaker?
Feb 19th, 2007 6:50 am
hschisler
Quote:
Originally Posted by allen
...The lady did say she can adjust them to whatever level of sound defying one desires. Perhaps I will have her open them a bit at CCR TAR-TAR. Bruce
Does this mean you have the "musician filter" thing installed in your custom ear plugs? I wasn't aware that they could be swapped out, once they were installed. That's good to know.
Feb 19th, 2007 6:48 am
hschisler
Quote:
Originally Posted by dmatson
... While we were there my partner got a set of custom ear moulds, with air tubes from the speakers in them, no wires to rip off while taking your helmet off...
I can't visualize this. Air tubes? This means no wires from the audio device to your ears? Got a web site I can check out?

Thanks for the reply.
Feb 18th, 2007 10:54 pm
dmatson I have used all the different kinds of disposable ear plugs and been happy with them, the softest ones I liked the best. Last year I went on a tour with the BMWST guys to Torrey Utah. While we were there my partner got a set of custom ear moulds, with air tubes from the speakers in them, no wires to rip off while taking your helmet off. I watch as he put them on and he had the biggest smile while listening to his music. He told me I would love them. With my Voice II not working the only way to listen to music was with the Ipod but I had no ear phones that fit inside the helmet. I got a set ($180) and WOW! With the air tubes there are no wires to worry about, you only have to make sure the air tubes don't rattle next to each other. The guy who made these has done this for years (ArizonaAl) and knows what he is doing. The speakers are in a little transducer thing that the air tubes come out of. It is amazing how much difference this makes on a trip, I rode from Ouray Co. to my house in 15 hrs. 900mi. (SoCal) and when I got home I felt like I could have gone another couple hundred miles easy. It is funny how much smoother the bike feels with these in. The music is not very loud either so you don't get any fatigue from loud music.
Feb 5th, 2007 4:47 pm
allen
Tried it both ways

Wife and I got custom plugs at CCR Breckinridge and she (the lady that did them adjusted them for free at CCR Atlanta). Very satisfied with her product, so removed the speakers previously placed in our full coverage flip-up Arrow helmets. But I found that I could not hear the GPS (not wired direct) and that I cannot hear bike, traffic, etc., sufficently to feel comfortable and that extended wear of both bothers me - so I wear one plug at a time, alternating. Sure I lose the sterio (use both when I want that) but hear books, music, wife, and sirens, horns, etc. fine with just one. Wife, on other hand, uses both at all times. At CCR Atl I had all my electronics wired directly into com, i.e. gps, sirius, cb, tape, cd, cell phone - so hear everything through the plugs - noted for the first time (never heard before) a tone from "Martha", name given to Garmin 2610 voice, before she gives information and the system hushs so we can hear. Everything works great. Maybe this season I can get use to wearing both at all times. The lady did say she can adjust them to whatever level of sound defying one desires. Perhaps I will have her open them a bit at CCR TAR-TAR. Bruce
Feb 5th, 2007 1:32 pm
WildBill I got my earplugs from Marilyn Navia (SP?) with "Now Hear This" She has been coming to CCR as a vendor for several years. I have several sets form Marilyn, both with and without speakers. I am very happy with the fit and function. Marilyn is licensed ear professional, (I'm not sure exactly what license she has). I believe I paid about $75.00 for basic earplugs and $175 for the ones with speakers. (Don't quote me on those prices) Marilyn is defintely someone who will support her product after the sale. My brother-in-law had a problem with his speakers, after 4 years of use, and she worked with him until the problem was fixed, no cost! I had a problem with one of my basic earplugs and next time I saw her she made me a new set, FREE.

Sooooo, if you can't tell I'm a supporter of Marilyn's (and no I don't have any financial interest here!). She does good work that holds up over time, she stands behind her work AND she is a repeat supporting vendor at CCR. If you want to get in touch with "Now Hear This" go to the CCR website and and look under vendors. What's not to like. Good lulck on you search.....

Bill
Feb 3rd, 2007 6:05 pm
MarkG Hi, folks, I just registered here, and will be asking some questions about Autocom installation, but I have some experience with custom earphones.

Earplug Superstore will send you a kit (google 'em) and you get someone you trust to smush goo into your ears, and send the molds back to them. They'll put earphones in . Not too expensive, but mine didn't last very long...the phones, and the left one never fit completely right...smusher error.

I've tried several different brands of relatively high end earphones, and Westone sounds best to me. They make a helmet-specific earphone which sounds great. You do have to go to an audiologist to get the molds made, which in my view is a plus, as you want a good fit.

List price is something like three hundred bucks, but I got mine done by a local audiologist for $200 OTD. Hearing protection, excellent sound, and intercom all tied up in one deal.
Feb 3rd, 2007 3:06 pm
deputy5211
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick
I'd bet the difference is due to the vendor. I get mine in a box from Locators and Supplies and the first box had 'em boxed as a pair per cellophane package. To open 'em, you tear off a blue-dashed tear strip. Next time I ordered 'em, no more identified tear strip, although it's there as a clear line. And the next time I ordered 'em, the package labeling wuz a leetle different and we're back to the blue-line tear strip.

So, maybe depending on where they're made and for what vendor, they're just packaged different. I like the heck outta mine, as you can tell. Nice leetle miniature cone-shaped, orange-colored traffic cones for my hot-wheels collection!! NOT!
Mine are blue. There's the difference!
Feb 3rd, 2007 2:55 pm
Dick
Quote:
Originally Posted by deputy5211
Is there other difference other than making us LEOs feel like they made something special for us, or is it simply a matter of the same item in a different package?
TIA
I'd bet the difference is due to the vendor. I get mine in a box from Locators and Supplies and the first box had 'em boxed as a pair per cellophane package. To open 'em, you tear off a blue-dashed tear strip. Next time I ordered 'em, no more identified tear strip, although it's there as a clear line. And the next time I ordered 'em, the package labeling wuz a leetle different and we're back to the blue-line tear strip.

So, maybe depending on where they're made and for what vendor, they're just packaged different. I like the heck outta mine, as you can tell. Nice leetle miniature cone-shaped, orange-colored traffic cones for my hot-wheels collection!! NOT!
Feb 3rd, 2007 1:39 pm
deputy5211
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deputy5211
Originally Posted by deputy5211
I also use the Howard Leight Max. The ones I get say "For Law Enforcement" on the box, but they are also 33 db attenuation. Dunno what the LE designation means, if anything. Prolly the same as the Max-1 that Dick uses.

I started using them a while back on my H-D to block out the wind noise. It was kinda surreal at first, like I was floating along (due to lack of wind noise). Then it hit me, with the plugs in I could actually hear things around me better because the deafening wind noise was gone, and the exhaust sounds were a bit muffled (on my bike, that's a lot to muffle ). This correlates to the improved hearing that Dick described.
Quote:
Originally Posted by airborneod
Law Enforcement
Fair enough, you did answer the question that I asked.

Let me state the question a little more clearly. What does the "For Law Enforcement" designation mean in terms of fit/performance/anything else over the standard Max-1 that Dick uses? They seem to have the same attenuation, based on Dick's post. Is there other difference other than making us LEOs feel like they made something special for us, or is it simply a matter of the same item in a different package?

TIA
Feb 3rd, 2007 1:12 pm
airborneod
Quote:
Originally Posted by deputy5211
I also use the Howard Leight Max. The ones I get say "For Law Enforcement" on the box, but they are also 33 db attenuation. Dunno what the LE designation means, if anything. Prolly the same as the Max-1 that Dick uses.

I started using them a while back on my H-D to block out the wind noise. It was kinda surreal at first, like I was floating along (due to lack of wind noise). Then it hit me, with the plugs in I could actually hear things around me better because the deafening wind noise was gone, and the exhaust sounds were a bit muffled (on my bike, that's a lot to muffle ). This correlates to the improved hearing that Dick described.
Law Enforcement
Feb 3rd, 2007 7:07 am
dlbushey
Quote:
Originally Posted by dfinazzo

What makes the custom fitted ear plugs unbelievable is the ability to be fitted exactly to your "ear canal" and this fitting allows for you ear canal to become "sealed" by the plastic penerating your ear canal for some distance.
How does this affect changes in altitude? When I ride up Whiteface mountain, will my head explode from the change in pressure????
Jan 28th, 2007 11:29 pm
deputy5211
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick
II buy Howard Leight brand MAX-1 (about 33 db attenuation?) by the 200-in-a-box, individually wrapped in pairs; use a pair for, normally, three or four rides and discard 'em.
I also use the Howard Leight Max. The ones I get say "For Law Enforcement" on the box, but they are also 33 db attenuation. Dunno what the LE designation means, if anything. Prolly the same as the Max-1 that Dick uses.

I started using them a while back on my H-D to block out the wind noise. It was kinda surreal at first, like I was floating along (due to lack of wind noise). Then it hit me, with the plugs in I could actually hear things around me better because the deafening wind noise was gone, and the exhaust sounds were a bit muffled (on my bike, that's a lot to muffle ). This correlates to the improved hearing that Dick described.
Jan 28th, 2007 12:55 pm
Dick
Quote:
Originally Posted by hschisler
Thanks Dick. I didn't mention it, but the answer is: When I was riding with an open-face helmet I wore disposable ear plugs. Since I switched to the full-face helmet I stopped wearing them, although I should because of some high-frequency hearing loss, and because the buffeting noise bothers me. Thus, my questions regarding custom-molded ear plugs.

Another thing I should have asked: Which does the better job of eliminating unwanted noise: foam earplugs, or the custom-molded jobs?
I'm sure there is a definitive answer to that question, Howard - butt I don't know what it is. I do know this - a friend had a local audiologist make him up a set of the molded ones. This after doing a hearing loss test (which he flunked, cuz he shot big game in his younger daze w/o hearing protection) and advising him on the attenuation number that she recommended. He's not a good candidate for any opinions, due to his degree of deafness, butt she did him right about suggesting the match of attenuation to his condition. And if I remember right, each of his ears received a different formula.

So - if a good audiologist can do that, then I'd say you'd be better off with the molded type rather than the disposable like I use. I'm not sure there is a db number higher than 33 in the foam models, so if there is a need for that, then molded for sure.

Best.
Jan 28th, 2007 9:47 am
hschisler Thanks Dick. I didn't mention it, but the answer is: When I was riding with an open-face helmet I wore disposable ear plugs. Since I switched to the full-face helmet I stopped wearing them, although I should because of some high-frequency hearing loss, and because the buffeting noise bothers me. Thus, my questions regarding custom-molded ear plugs.

Another thing I should have asked: Which does the better job of eliminating unwanted noise: foam earplugs, or the custom-molded jobs?
Jan 28th, 2007 9:37 am
Dick
Quote:
Originally Posted by hschisler
Thanks for all the feedback.

A clarification (Dan's reply brought this to my attention):

In my second question, by "earbud" I meant "audio electronics". I was trying to determine if I can keep my helmet headset, get a pair of custom-molded earplugs, and still hear the intercom and bike audio, OR if I would be better served by getting custom-molded earplugs WITH the audio electronics installed in it. I think the answer to that question is "yes", but if I can still hear the audio I don't want to spend the additional money on the electronics. Hope that makes sense...
I prolly missed it, Howard; butt did you say whether or not you wear earplugs routinely? I do, and I hear more stuff around me than I do when I don't wear 'em. I buy Howard Leight brand MAX-1 (about 33 db attenuation?) by the 200-in-a-box, individually wrapped in pairs; use a pair for, normally, three or four rides and discard 'em. I hear my Autocom in-helmet speakers just fine, as well as being able to carry on an off-bike conversation with someone and not have to remove my helmet. Wind noise I don't hear; traffic approaching from behind I hear; the normal LT riding sounds, I hear; my cell phone in the oddments box ringing, I hear; my radar detector mounted down on the lower air winglets, I hear. So, as an input to your question, I would say that an audiologist's work up of custom molded ear plugs (sans embedded speakers) should work for you (depending on the level of competence they use in their job of fitment) as well as the disposable, deformed foam plugs like I use, and maybe better. I would also pay particular attention to the hygienic aspect of reusable fitted plugs versus the disposable type (guess that might depend on ear canal maintenance one employs ). For MHO, I would entertain the use of custom molded plugs only if I were to fit them with embedded speakers. A couple of my riding buds have done that and are happy with that feature. They have experience with all three types of plugs - disposable, speakered, and non-speakered. Jm2cw Howard - good luck in your finding the right solution for you.
Jan 28th, 2007 9:05 am
hschisler Thanks for all the feedback.

A clarification (Dan's reply brought this to my attention):

In my second question, by "earbud" I meant "audio electronics". I was trying to determine if I can keep my helmet headset, get a pair of custom-molded earplugs, and still hear the intercom and bike audio, OR if I would be better served by getting custom-molded earplugs WITH the audio electronics installed in it. I think the answer to that question is "yes", but if I can still hear the audio I don't want to spend the additional money on the electronics. Hope that makes sense...
Jan 28th, 2007 1:01 am
dfinazzo
Earplugs

Howard,

My qualifications: I have purchased 3 pair of ear plugs - 2 for myself and 1 for my wife. My experience in reference to your questions are as follows:

1. Do licensed audiologists make these (i.e., without hearing aids installed)? If so, are they necessarily "better" (more comfortable, better quality) than those made by the vendors we see at IMS, CCR, MOA, etc.?

Yes and no. Yes they make the molds and then send them off to the factory, shop, firm, vendor that installs the transducers. So the answer is no - most all audiologists do not make the ear plugs with transducers in them. They fit the ear plugs just like the traveling vendors. The audiologists fit you up in the same manner the street vendors do. In fact several audiologists I contacted seemed out of touch of what is going on or they hire high school and college kids to do the fittings.

Note several of the vendors I have talked to are jerks and are full of mis information and that comes in every profession. But there are others that know their stuff and products and are especially helpful in taking impressions and knowing how to mark the impressions for routing of the wires since we wear close fitting helmets. Audiologists are not that caring.

2. Will a custom ear plug without an earbud still allow the wearer to hear audio (music & intercom) from the helmet headset? (I'm trying to avoid paying for earbuds because I already have helmet headsets installed.)

Not sure I understand your question "with an earbud". What makes the custom fitted ear plugs unbelievable is the ability to be fitted exactly to your "ear canal" and this fitting allows for you ear canal to become "sealed" by the plastic penerating your ear canal for some distance. Please note this is not to say you cannot hear other noises - in fact you can get ear plugs with varying ability to suppress noises - with or without music. Can you hear everything - no, can you hear your bike, sirens and other noises - yes.

3. Some vendors of these products seem competent and professional; some... look like they bought the Ronco DIY Custom Molded Earplug Kit and bought a table for the show. Do you have any vendors you would recommend? Any you would not recommend? Feel free to PM if you don't want to express that opinion here.

Many of the kits are supplied by companies that specialize in mold making. If the vendor displays his tools, samples and wares in an unprofessional manner then walk away. No matter who takes your impressions I can only recommend from experience the following people to make your monitors:

http://www.earinc.com/p2-music-competition.php

At the last CCR I bought a pair from Tim McCarty (770 992-0048) - unfortunately he lives in Marietta, GA - give him a ring maybe he can refer you to someone!!

Good luck . . .
Jan 27th, 2007 8:51 pm
jackd I bought a pair at CCR a few years ago and I believe that I could have done better at an Audiologist. Mine are fine but some parts are a little rough but they work great no matter how the look.

I am amazed at how much better you can hear with the ear plugs in. I would expect that ones with ear plugs would give great 'music' but you would eventually hang yourself or damage the plugs or ears when you catch the wires on something..
Jan 27th, 2007 7:33 pm
FlyOrBike
Quote:
Originally Posted by cfell
Made my own molded earplugs, similar to Kent's method above.. hehe

There is a link.. I think it is this: http://www.podfitkit.com/
Oh wow! I gotta try that. I wasn't sure how long a nap it would take for the silicone to harden up but I guess these folks have got it figured out. I've been messing around with earbuds to replace an aircraft headset. This is worth a try. Thanks for posting, Padre.
-Kent
Jan 27th, 2007 9:55 am
cfell Made my own molded earplugs, similar to Kent's method above.. hehe

There is a link.. I think it is this: http://www.podfitkit.com/
Jan 27th, 2007 9:49 am
nocanpickem
Custom Ear Plugs

I have had a set for years. Yes they are more comfortable, and you can hear the music and intercom just fine.

The bike seems to run better too.

Karl
Jan 27th, 2007 5:31 am
simoncharles Kent, you of course, and good luck !!!
Jan 26th, 2007 7:12 pm
FlyOrBike There must be some way to make those things at home: pump some silicone in your ear, insert microphone, take a nap for a hour or two. Presto! Molded ear plugs. Who's first?
-Kent
Jan 26th, 2007 7:09 pm
hp1bmw
Ear plugs

My wife and I had our ear plugs made at a gun show several years ago, and I have since had a second set made to carry on one of my other bikes. I have helmet J & M headsets tied into my intercom on the LT. I do not have any trouble hearing the music or the wife. We listen to books on CD and Tapes a lot and hear them just fine.
Jan 26th, 2007 6:49 pm
hschisler
Custom-Molded Ear Plugs - General Questions

Moderators: I don't see an "audio" forum and this thread could just as easily have been started under Intercom, iPod/MP3, Ergonomics, etc.... so if it belongs in a different forum please move it.

We've all seen lots of discussion about the pros of custom-molded ear plugs: more comfortable, more effective (at reproducing music and keeping out wind buffeting and other noise), etc. I have some general questions regarding these products:

1. Do licensed audiologists make these (i.e., without hearing aids installed)? If so, are they necessarily "better" (more comfortable, better quality) than those made by the vendors we see at IMS, CCR, MOA, etc.?

2. Will a custom ear plug without an earbud still allow the wearer to hear audio (music & intercom) from the helmet headset? (I'm trying to avoid paying for earbuds because I already have helmet headsets installed.)

3. Some vendors of these products seem competent and professional; some... look like they bought the Ronco DIY Custom Molded Earplug Kit and bought a table for the show. Do you have any vendors you would recommend? Any you would not recommend? Feel free to PM if you don't want to express that opinion here.

Thanks in advance. I'm going to the IMS in Cleveland tomorrow. I know it's kind of late to be asking these questions but I'll be paying these folks a visit while I'm at the show.

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