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Jan 24th, 2007 11:13 pm
82katana Ray:

No harm with the Harley poke. I get it from all sides. BMW folks pick on the Harleys. Harley folks pick on the BMW. No one ever gives me crap about the Ducatis. I wonder why?

I am in full agreement about onramp speed issues. Where did these people learn to drive? I was taught to get up to the same speed as the traffic where you are attempting to merge. Hardly ever happens around here. Maybe we are all going too fast on the freeway.

While we are on the subject of merging - <ranton>what ever happened to moving out of the slow lane and allowing someone to come on to the freeway? I know you don't want to do it when there is someone in the lane next to you, but when you have an entire freeway open on the left, why not move over and let a brother on, eh?<rantoff>

The "old school" manners that my parents taught me to use when I drive are not being passed down, I guess. I drill them in to my son, and he seems to do them. (when I am in the car with him) Who knows what he does when out by himself.

BTW - I took another long look at the California Vehicle Code today and can't find a thing in there about the white lines. I know we have some other Cali LEOs on this board. Ain't there one of you want to speak up?
Jan 24th, 2007 12:14 pm
RiderRay Daniel:

Just breaking your chops about the Harley, I believe that people should ride whatever they want.

I guess what I was trying to say about the merge lane is that they are trying to give drivers the opportunity to get up to traffic speed before merging to make it safer. That said, how the hell come so many of of them stay at a constant speed (slower than traffic) till the end of the merge lane and then just pull into traffic?

I was always taught, right or wrong, that you never cross a solid line to pass, only to turn onto another road or driveway. It would be interesting to find soemthing in writing.
Jan 24th, 2007 11:16 am
Steve_R In Georgia you don't cross the solid white, Gore, line. Crossing it, i.e. the diamond area, to enter an Interstate or any other state highway is a moving violation. Page 60 GA Driver's Training Manual. I'm pretty sure it's that way in other states too. Texas, Oklahoma and Tennessee if I remember my times from getting DLs in those states.
Jan 24th, 2007 7:51 am
82katana What is the difference between a dotted line and a solid line? Good question. The Vehicle Code doesn't mention a difference unless it is two parallel white lines.

I can't seem to find your point in making a distinction between "direct you where to drive" and "merging in an orderly fashion". Two ways of saying the same thing to me, perhaps you could expand on the thought.

I, too, have driven in darn near every state in the union. And, as you said, there seems to be a general consensus that the white line is not to be crossed. I think that is good. It is there to "assist with merging" or for whatever reason it is there. And if people think they cannot cross the line, so much the better. However, my point was not that "people" believe that the line cannot be crossed, I was pointing out that there does not seen to be a Vehicle Code section that addresses that specific item. I was hoping someone could research the issue and correct me, assuming I am incorrect.

We could fill a board discussing all of the myths around traffic laws. I once had an instructor that told a story about a trip he had made downtown to the doctor. The trip included many anecdotal comments about things he had done on his way. For instance, needing to check directions, he pulled to the curb in front of a fire hydrant and parking there. No red on the curb, just the hydrant. He never got out of his car and stayed there about 5 minutes. Then, after checking behind him for traffic and finding no one else on the street, he pulled out into the street without signaling.

Some of you, and most of the class considered that activity to be in violation of two vehicle code sections when in fact there was no violation.

Funny what we think the law is versus what it truly is.

BTW - I really hate to give up the BMW. But my Shrine group only allows Harley Ultras in the group when we ride in parades. I can't justify having two full dress bikes in the garage, although they seem to get along just great.
Jan 24th, 2007 6:35 am
RiderRay I've driven around the country quite a bit and it has always seemed pretty consistent that states have a solid white line and a dotted white line. If a solid line doesn't indicate that you can't cross it, then what is the difference between it and a dotted line? As for the solid line on the entrance ramp, it's meant to keep people in line and merging in an orderly fashion, not to direct you where to drive.

I guess I understand why you're selling your BMW and bought a Harley!
Jan 23rd, 2007 9:38 pm
82katana I don't believe that crossing a white line is a violation of any vehicle code section, if what you mean is a single, solid white line. Unless there is a sign to indicate that the line is there to enforce a specific driving motion - for instance, no lane change for a certain number of feet.

A white line on the entrance to a freeway is really nothing more than a visual direction of the way that merging should happen. If a vehicle crosses the white line and doesn't interfere with the right-of-way of another vehicle in the roadway, there is no violation. That being said, anytime a vehicle interferes with the right-of-way of another vehicle that is lawfully in that place, they are guilty of an infraction, whether they crossed a solid white line or not.

This is a common misconception with regard to the vehicle code. If you, or anyone reading this, can find a section that addresses a solid white line and the rule about crossing it, please share. The traffic signals and markings section of the CVC starts with section 21450.

Let the flaming begin.
Jan 23rd, 2007 7:22 pm
dshealey I could not find anything to corroborate those fines. Some of them seem totally ridiculous, but they would do a lot do cut down on some really aggressive behaviour. I like the carpool lane one, would love to see a few get that!

Also, crossing a solid white line would be a good one. Sometimes I think that I and two more people know that is illegal. Is one of them you?
Jan 23rd, 2007 6:01 pm
Originally Posted by tedhudson
Sometin ain't right with all of that. The cell phone law doesn't take effect until JULY 1ST of 2008....
I believe the law that takes effect in July 08 with regards to the cell phones, as well as the other ones on the AAA site, but the 3 mile an hour over the limit law as well as some of the other ones that are circulating are ludicrous.
Jan 23rd, 2007 5:59 pm
Ted Shred
Originally Posted by MarkEngland
I'm not an expert, but the NY law took almost 18 months to go into effect to give people time to get the hands free kits, etc.

Like I said...
Jan 23rd, 2007 5:46 pm
Chipper I dont think the they are accurate....
Jan 23rd, 2007 5:31 pm
Originally Posted by tedhudson
Sometin ain't right with all of that. The cell phone law doesn't take effect until JULY 1ST of 2008....
I'm not an expert, but the NY law took almost 18 months to go into effect to give people time to get the hands free kits, etc.
Jan 23rd, 2007 4:52 pm
Ted Shred Sometin ain't right with all of that. The cell phone law doesn't take effect until JULY 1ST of 2008....
Jan 23rd, 2007 3:42 pm

I got this in an email also. While some may be valid #7 couldnt be...since when would the legislature pass a law allowing other laws to be broken by a given amount? Try this link notice the wireless communication (cell phone law).
Jan 23rd, 2007 1:23 pm
new traffic fines in CA?

Copied from Have not checked on these. maybe our resident officers can comment.


Updates on traffic Violation Fines:

1. Carpool lane - 1st time $1068.50 starting 1/1/07 (NOT $271, posted on the highway is old).
2nd time offense - Doubled. 3rd time - Tripled. 4th time License Suspension.

2. Incorrect lane change $380. Improper lane lane crossing of solid lines or intersection

3. Block intersection - $485

4. Driving on the shoulder - $450

5. Cell phone use while driving. - Double fine
Cell phone use while driving in the construction zone. - Double the

6. Passengers over 18 not on the seatbelts - Both driver and
passenger(s) get tickets.
No “Trunking” - Both driver and “Trunk” passenger - Fines and
Points in Driving Record.

7. Speeders can only drive 3 miles above the limit. Street racing commits felony
on injuries.


New Laws for 2007

This listing does not contain all of the bills enacted in 2006 that made changes to the California Vehicle Code. Only those having a significant impact are referenced. For complete information on chaptered bills enacted in 2006, please refer to the legislative website at
Unless otherwise indicated, these new laws become effective on January 1, 2007 and are divided into the following categories:

* Vehicle Registration
* Driver License
* Occupational Licensing
* Records Access & Confidentiality

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