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Jan 27th, 2007 9:01 pm
eljeffe Here's another article on it:

http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/ne...ictory_vision/
Jan 24th, 2007 10:43 am
BillyOmaha
Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas42
+1 I think they looked at the LT and warped it with V in mind, it Looks a lot like the love child of an LT and a HD Ultra Classic.
That was the thought I had when I saw it. Kind of, "if they had to build a V-twin Cruiser for touring, this is as close to an LT as they could get".

.
Jan 24th, 2007 10:15 am
Bandit
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonshine
This appears to be one of Arlen Ness's design creations. He is the father of the long low chopper design. I don't think I would ever buy one but I appreciate the design effort and it is another choice for riders. In fact there are motorcycle riders out there that don't want to play "Rickey the Racer" in the twisties.
ed zachary.

there are bold riders.

there are old riders.

but there aren't a lot of old, bold riders! and the ones who are among us are walking with a distinct limp ...
Jan 24th, 2007 9:52 am
Clem
Quote:
Originally Posted by jayjacobson
Ford is living proof that if you build a complete piece of crap--and add wheels--it will sell!

You may not like the design but Victory builds top notch motorcycles.
Jan 24th, 2007 9:23 am
jayjacobson
Quote:
Originally Posted by deputy5211
Twenty years and how many millions of units? Ka-ching!
Ford is living proof that if you build a complete piece of crap--and add wheels--it will sell!
Jan 24th, 2007 7:28 am
Clem I think some people are also missing the point of the risk to make a bike like this. Not only is the design completely different but the time and money invested in making the bike. These don't print out on a cnc mill. Victory has stepped up to the plate and made a completely different bike at great cost. I'll take the Vision over a re-stamped HD any day. Course I wouldn't ride an HD, to much pride for that.
Jan 23rd, 2007 6:58 pm
Moonshine
Can You Say Arlen Ness

This appears to be one of Arlen Ness's design creations. He is the father of the long low chopper design. I don't think I would ever buy one but I appreciate the design effort and it is another choice for riders. In fact there are motorcycle riders out there that don't want to play "Rickey the Racer" in the twisties.
Jan 23rd, 2007 5:13 pm
jorawro Read all the posts and looked at the photos (repeatedly). Crazy or not, I like it. If BMW didn't have the LT I would look seriously at one of these. Each to his own I guess
Jan 23rd, 2007 4:24 pm
Bandit
Quote:
Originally Posted by ksailor
Well, I'll be the first in line to give it a go!!! Low center of gravity, a manufacturer that stands behind the product, easy on the knees (forward controls), it's not a HD, Honda, Kawi, Suzuki, (only wish Indian was a year earlier), just have to take one for a ride; did I mention a "manufacturer that stands behind the product"!!

Ride to the beat of a different drum!

See you in 2008!!
+ 1

i'm with ya.
Jan 23rd, 2007 4:22 pm
ksailor
First in Line!!!

Well, I'll be the first in line to give it a go!!! Low center of gravity, a manufacturer that stands behind the product, easy on the knees (forward controls), it's not a HD, Honda, Kawi, Suzuki, (only wish Indian was a year earlier), just have to take one for a ride; did I mention a "manufacturer that stands behind the product"!!

Ride to the beat of a different drum!

See you in 2008!!
Jan 23rd, 2007 2:22 pm
Clem I very much like my LT but most of you guys keep talking about the "modern styling" of the LT. Mine is a 99 and I can see no real difference between the 99 and the 06 except a couple of gadgets. Isn't it about time for the LT to go through a makeover?
Jan 23rd, 2007 11:34 am
deputy5211
Quote:
Originally Posted by Petre


That round overhanging proboscis . accented gapping maw and mirror styling just screws it up for me.

I guess their fears over the preliminary drawings for the project being leaked were justified after all!
Jan 23rd, 2007 10:54 am
Petre I REALLY do love Victory Motorcycles and looked forward to the release of their Touring / Bagger with great anticipation ...

I WANTED the modern styling of the K1200LT in the Victory .... But designs have a way of going awry when not thoroughly thought out or when trying TOO hard to push the limits which can often come back to shoot you in the foot.

Too much of a different thing is never good. We've learned that ever since the story of Goldilocks and the 3 Bears.

Every time I see this ...



I'll be damned if I just can't get THIS out of my head ...






That round overhanging proboscis . accented gapping maw and mirror styling just screws it up for me.

Oh well .... 2009 K1200LT HERE I COME !

AND THAT AINT A BAD THING!

Jan 23rd, 2007 9:12 am
deputy5211
Quote:
Originally Posted by jayjacobson
Yup, that was Ford in the fifties. With the Taurus, it took Ford twenty years to realize what a piece of crap they were building.....and stop!
Twenty years and how many millions of units? Ka-ching!
Jan 23rd, 2007 6:19 am
jayjacobson Well I'm just igernent, not brand igoernent....

Rock, it would appear that you have been to the Grif school of spelling!
Jan 23rd, 2007 6:14 am
jayjacobson
Quote:
Originally Posted by wilbar00c
Looks like the EDSEL that Ford produced in 1958. It lasted 3 years....
Yup, that was Ford in the fifties. With the Taurus, it took Ford twenty years to realize what a piece of crap they were building.....and stop!
Jan 22nd, 2007 11:46 pm
jarrejx [QUOTE]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit
the more i look at the victory the more i like it. love the idea of having a bike that looks like nothing else that's out there. curious to see the final stats on the bike.


It might look like nothing else out there, initially, but that won't last for long, since their website shows that the Vision will only be offered in three color combos. Once you get past the odd look of the bike, you'd better like black, red or gray.
Jan 22nd, 2007 5:46 pm
UncleRock
Quote:
Originally Posted by spaniard9033

Many of the comments in this thread appear to be based on ignorance of the brand and are laced with an elitist and arrogant attitude. This is too b ad because it just goes to support the stereotype of BMW enthusiasts like myself.

I beleive they have made a bike that will seriously compete with the Lt and the Wing - they know what they are doing. I for one welcoe the competition and look forward to thowing a leg over one of these when I get a chance. That said - I can not imagine parting with my LT anytime soon.
Well I'm just igernent not brand igoernent, Victory and Polaris are the same company. I have 2 of there machines, they are the best in their class. Victory Motorcycles are by far the best American Made motorcycle, bar none. JD Powers don't live round here and it still looks like Yoda!
Rock
Jan 22nd, 2007 12:44 pm
Bob204bc
Quote:
Originally Posted by BMWphreak
Ah, he who lives in a glass house should not cast stones! Design beauty is VERY subjective. I'm sure many will find the Vision appealing and to them I say, enjoy!

Of course this is just my opinion...
+1

It's very flashy but that's what Victory's recent success is based on. I think it's okay from many angles. The rear end overhang is a bit much. If we speak of overhangs, how about a RT with a top box ... way too far back. And for those who ride bikes with a top box and no saddle bags; that's just fuggly.

To each his own.
Jan 21st, 2007 9:51 pm
fas
Welcom Brian

Quote:
Originally Posted by spaniard9033
Guys and Gals

I have been a lurker here for a long time and I have never been motivated to post until now.

I am a happy owner of an LT now for several years - I've logged tens of thousands of very happy miles and smiles on my LT.

One of my riding buddies has a Victory Kingpin (like Petre's above)- let me tell you, this bike is not your average cruiser!!. Its handling characteristics are excellent - nearly sport touring quality in everyway. The engine is smooth and powerfull - it pulls like a train. I also saw the JD Power rankings for Victory (which my buddy brought to my attention) - very impressive! Being somewhat familiar with the brand I can say that they are serious about making performance machines. When we go out riding on challenging roads - my friend (riding the Vic) does not have a problem keeping-up with me when we ride aggresively. If i could afford 2 bikes - I would add the Kingpin to my stable in a heartbeat.

Many of the comments in this thread appear to be based on ignorance of the brand and are laced with an elitist and arrogant attitude. This is too b ad because it just goes to support the stereotype of BMW enthusiasts like myself.

I beleive they have made a bike that will seriously compete with the Lt and the Wing - they know what they are doing. I for one welcoe the competition and look forward to thowing a leg over one of these when I get a chance. That said - I can not imagine parting with my LT anytime soon.
Brian,

Welcome. Good first post. My wife and I enjoyed our time in State College. We both did our undergrad work at PSU. Good to hear you add to the fun here on the BMW K site. Keep it up.

My SO shot this "PSU barn" and our GT as we rode home from Canada.

We rode our LT for four years and jumped on the GT this July.
Jan 21st, 2007 9:16 pm
wilbar00c Looks like the EDSEL that Ford produced in 1958. It lasted 3 years. A cartoon from the early eighties that my son, then 6 years old, put in his EDSEL wall display, reads, "Every Decade Has Its Dorks". Personally, the Studebaker comes to mind.
Jan 21st, 2007 8:13 pm
UncleRock
Quote:
Originally Posted by eljeffe
Okay, after looking at it up close on the Victory site. It's missing something. Like a "real" engine. LOL!!! Slap in a flying brick or the new K40 engine, and I think you get a good start. Fix that laid back seating (asking for an accident in the twisties) to something a little more upright. And that big "V" tail light has to go.
Okay for all of that, what I couldn't get out of my head is the width of the pipes down low going threw the Dragon?
Be a lot of sparks til they ground to fit
Rock
Jan 21st, 2007 6:01 pm
eljeffe I just watched the video about their design inspiration. They said their #1 criteria for the "American Luxury Touring Rider" was to provide the best in "Styling and Comfort". Is that really all the "American Luxury Touring Rider" is looking for in a Luxury Touring Motorcycle? I can see comfort being a primary consideration, but is Styling really the #1 criteria? Power (Honda Gold Wing) and Handling (BMW K1200LT) seem to be more important to me. Then you have the whole sport like of tourers hitting the market (FJR1300, ST1200, GTR1400, K1200GT), so I think this segment of the market really considers things other than Styling as their #1 criteria.
Jan 21st, 2007 1:17 pm
eljeffe I spent an hour or so at the Victory site. The more that I look at the thing, it is really a clash of designs. Unlike the K1200GT (which has poor styling because David Robb has no vision), the Vision combines what I termed in an earlier post as Old School meets X-Games. It looks forced and unnatural, kind of like they didn't quite know what they wanted and a committee of desingers compromised on a final look.

I do feel that Victory has done in this model what HD has failed to do with the V-Rod technology. HD had a platform and an opportunity to capitalize on it, but I think they missed it and Victory has really taken advantage of that. I wish them success, but I just don't see this as being the bike for me and for the way I ride. Just looking at the video and having no riding time on it, the Vision doesn't appear to be a bike attuned to a spritited ride in the twisties.

The low seat height would definitely appeal to those height challenged individuals, or people who have a hard time with the high center of gravity that the LT and other big touring bikes have. I'm also a bit concerned with the combination of the low rider seating, and what appears to be a very high passenger seating arrangement. Couple this with the riding position, and a high topcase, it might actually create a high center of gravity situation. Again, this is only judging from the pictures, so I couldn't say with any certainty until I rode one -- which I do intend on doing as soon as it comes out.

I commend Victory (Polaris) for taking a desgin risk and coming out with an innovative product, but I think the proof will be when the bike actually comes out in the fall.
Jan 21st, 2007 12:20 pm
messenger13 There's already a rather lengthy thread in the Bike Talk forum about the Vision.
CLICK
55 replies...and counting.
Jan 21st, 2007 12:06 pm
Nathan I hope this works for them.
Jan 21st, 2007 11:54 am
jfredriksson
Victory has just come out with the BMW lookalike!

Well, the long awaited and protected secret Victory Touring Bike has just been unveiled. You'll note some real similarities in the frontend styling department. Check out this link:

http://www.polarisindustries.com/en-...on/Experience/

Enjoy...
Jan 21st, 2007 8:52 am
jayjacobson Victory Vision
I have been a lurker here for a long time and I have never been motivated to post until now......


Welcome to our little web site. Thank you for your support. Excellent first post!
Jan 21st, 2007 8:16 am
Petre
Quote:
Originally Posted by spaniard9033
Guys and Gals

I have been a lurker here for a long time and I have never been motivated to post until now.

I am a happy owner of an LT now for several years - I've logged tens of thousands of very happy miles and smiles on my LT.

One of my riding buddies has a Victory Kingpin (like Petre's above)- let me tell you, this bike is not your average cruiser!!. Its handling characteristics are excellent - nearly sport touring quality in everyway. The engine is smooth and powerfull - it pulls like a train. I also saw the JD Power rankings for Victory (which my buddy brought to my attention) - very impressive! Being somewhat familiar with the brand I can say that they are serious about making performance machines. When we go out riding on challenging roads - my friend (riding the Vic) does not have a problem keeping-up with me when we ride aggresively. If i could afford 2 bikes - I would add the Kingpin to my stable in a heartbeat.

Many of the comments in this thread appear to be based on ignorance of the brand and are laced with an elitist and arrogant attitude. This is too b ad because it just goes to support the stereotype of BMW enthusiasts like myself.

I beleive they have made a bike that will seriously compete with the Lt and the Wing - they know what they are doing. I for one welcoe the competition and look forward to thowing a leg over one of these when I get a chance. That said - I can not imagine parting with my LT anytime soon.
I can attest to the handling of the Kingpin ... it is without doubt the best handling bike Victory makes . Right tire sizes , right trail and rake , inverted forks , and the riding position aint half bad. The problem is it touches down way too soon to be REAL serious in the twisties.

Having said that , between it and my LT , no contest. The LT has all the right stuff the KP has and more. The right riding position and the right ground clearance.

When I go bar hoping with my buddies ... it's the KP all the way. As much as any Harley rider may like to bash other brands , they love my bike and respect it.

When we're riding distance and I need to carry or going somewhere where the road ahead is short on site and long on curves .... LT all the way.

When I'm by myself ... it's both equally for different reasons. Both are awesome rides.

One other thing I must give the thumbs up to Victory for is reliability. Have never had a single issue even in my beefed up form.
Jan 21st, 2007 7:40 am
spaniard9033
Victory Vision

Guys and Gals

I have been a lurker here for a long time and I have never been motivated to post until now.

I am a happy owner of an LT now for several years - I've logged tens of thousands of very happy miles and smiles on my LT.

One of my riding buddies has a Victory Kingpin (like Petre's above)- let me tell you, this bike is not your average cruiser!!. Its handling characteristics are excellent - nearly sport touring quality in everyway. The engine is smooth and powerfull - it pulls like a train. I also saw the JD Power rankings for Victory (which my buddy brought to my attention) - very impressive! Being somewhat familiar with the brand I can say that they are serious about making performance machines. When we go out riding on challenging roads - my friend (riding the Vic) does not have a problem keeping-up with me when we ride aggresively. If i could afford 2 bikes - I would add the Kingpin to my stable in a heartbeat.

Many of the comments in this thread appear to be based on ignorance of the brand and are laced with an elitist and arrogant attitude. This is too b ad because it just goes to support the stereotype of BMW enthusiasts like myself.

I beleive they have made a bike that will seriously compete with the Lt and the Wing - they know what they are doing. I for one welcoe the competition and look forward to thowing a leg over one of these when I get a chance. That said - I can not imagine parting with my LT anytime soon.
Jan 21st, 2007 7:39 am
hschisler Joining this thread kind of late (not much else to do on a cold day while it's snowing...) but my $0.02, and definitely FWIW (which ain't much):

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and I like the new look. I can't comment on the engine, the engineering, the kind of helicircuits they used in the framistator, etc., etc.... but the overall look of the bike is cool IMO. I don't see myself ever having one, but I like it.

I'll see it in person on Saturday in Cleveland.
Jan 21st, 2007 5:38 am
jayjacobson As for defending Victory, I think they've done a great job with their bikes. If I were to buy a cruiser, I would have to decide between a V-Rod and the Victory 8-Ball. I've ridden an 8-Ball and thought it would be great to have just for around town. Oh to be a rich man!

We are rich men, but more than just monetarily. We enjoy great company at a great web site....and can afford to support such an endeavor.
Jan 21st, 2007 5:27 am
jayjacobson
Quote:
Originally Posted by fas
....Kinda like girls too. I don't want too much weight on the rear.....
I've always said: never argue with the engineers!
Jan 21st, 2007 5:12 am
jayjacobson
Quote:
Originally Posted by zippy_gg
I know that beauty is subjective... but that is NO Carmen Electra!!!
Whew!......Thank you! For a second I thought the bike would debut having been ridden over a thousand times! Sorry!
Jan 21st, 2007 5:00 am
jayjacobson Victory Vision Release

WOW! The street is striking! I imagine such a beast would come with all the toys.
Jan 20th, 2007 11:41 pm
eljeffe Okay, after looking at it up close on the Victory site. It's missing something. Like a "real" engine. LOL!!! Slap in a flying brick or the new K40 engine, and I think you get a good start. Fix that laid back seating (asking for an accident in the twisties) to something a little more upright. And that big "V" tail light has to go.
Jan 20th, 2007 11:28 pm
eljeffe Here's the official Victory Vision site

http://www.polarisindustries.com/en-...on/Experience/
Jan 20th, 2007 11:19 pm
meese I think the Raptors & Rockets video sort of says it all. The music is familiar, but something just doesn't quite fit. That about sums up the bike for me. But hey, someone's gotta push the limits, and like the man in the Victory video says, competition is good for the consumer.
Jan 20th, 2007 9:57 pm
eljeffe I do have to say that this bike just seems to be a clash of styling. Old school wrapped up in an a XGames kind of way. It's not for me.
Jan 20th, 2007 9:54 pm
wilbar00c Richard and Kyle Petty were sitting on the bikes in the display just before the show opened at 2 PM, doing an interview. You might see them riding this new Victory in their cross country charity run this year.
Jan 20th, 2007 9:49 pm
eljeffe Here's a video from Raptors & Rockets

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFRqSAJx0_8

And here is the rest of the story

http://www.raptorsandrockets.com/New...08_Victory.htm
Jan 20th, 2007 6:30 pm
UncleRock
Quote:
Originally Posted by messenger13
That is so wrong on so many levels I don't know where to begin. YUK!

And I rarely say that about any motorcycle. But HICHEEMOMMA!!!
Well maybe I smoked one to many today, but does that look like Yoda?
Rock
Jan 20th, 2007 5:51 pm
RVB1019 I was at the show yesterday. The bike was received by mixed reviews by the crowd. You had the Harley guys bashing the entire brand, you had those who marveled at the design and appreciated the risk the company was taking.
The Corporate Reps. were mum regarding the specs of the bike (engine,price, torque, etc.).





My thoughts- this is a bike inspired by the LT. From the seat, the tank is very narrow and then widens. The controls are sleek and blend into the design rather than distract from it. One of my buddies stated that it reminded him of on of his favorite "position" when with his girlfriend (Yes, that was a visual image I didn't need to have in my head).





I was surprised at the lack of storage. The topcase was smaller than the LT and was probably about the size of small GIVI. The sidebags for their size were tiny! There was no way you could fit a helmet in one-a small back pack or tool set maybe. Considering how long they are on the bike, I was shocked at the small storage compartment.

The price? The buzz by the crowd prices this anywhere from 20-24G.

The BMW and Honda have nothing to worry about. They are head and shoulders better than this bike.



Jan 20th, 2007 3:02 pm
Petre
Quote:
Originally Posted by Clem
My My: I would admit that up near 100mph the LT is fine but there is no way my LT will stay up with the Hammer from 0 - 100. Something about torque. I will say that my LT is a 99 and maybe that's the difference. Haven't ridden on a newer model. But the LT does handle much better than by Vic. The LT has more HP, less torque and weighs around 200 pounds more (fueled up). A v-twin will never keep up with a V-4 in the upper end. I'll attach a couple pic's of my LT just so you know I'm not BSing.
Sorry Clem ... your Hammer won't keep up with a Kingpin let alone the LT .

I've ridden them all and own two right now and side by side , it's no contest. Definately not to 100. Not even to 70. I've actually tested this side by side letting my buddy ride one and swapping back and forth for rider error.

The Hammer (and Jackpot) is the slowest bike Vic makes due to the mass of the rear tire.

Make no mistake .... I am a huge Victory fan and will be making custom parts for them For Sale this spring. But I'm also going to keep it real.

Part of the reason the Vic won't keep up is it's simply not as free spinning , you lugging bigger jugs and shifting at near half the RPM's. My K1200lt does 60 in first gear. By 2nd I'm already in a range where the Vic is fighting major wind resistance. By 3rd gear it's no contest.

If you think wind resistance or the lack there of isn't a huge equalizer than think again. On the Dyno My Kingpin did 151 mph .... hitting that in about 20 seconds. It would never come close to reproducing that on the street or strip.

If you actually have an LT then my apologies. Don't ever recall you mentioning it on VMC. But if you do I'm surprised you subscribe to the notion that the Hammer would take an LT to 100. I'd take that bet any day.

151 mph on the dyno per the computer read out . Speedo only does 120
Jan 20th, 2007 2:49 pm
Steve_R Why you thillie braggart!
Jan 20th, 2007 2:13 pm
meese Definitely a funky style, and one that would take some getting used to.

Looks like they'll have it on display at the rest of the International Motorcycle Shows.

Dates
Jan. 19-21, 2007 New York, NY
Jan. 26-28, 2007 Cleveland, OH
Feb. 2-4, 2007 Minneapolis, MN
Feb. 9-11, 2007 Chicago, IL
Feb. 23-25, 2007 Atlanta, GA

Bike Week
Mar. 2-11, 2007 Daytona Beach, FL

They're also doing a webcast from the NY show today at 4 p.m. Eastern time, in case anyone's interested.

I'm not sure it's my thing, but it would be interesting to ride. OF course, I also want to ride the Moto Guzzi Norge as well. Doubt that I'd buy either one, but sometimes it's fun just to look.
Jan 20th, 2007 2:09 pm
Clem
Quote:
Originally Posted by Petre
Hey Clem ... Fellow VMC'r ....

I must call the BS flag here . As an owner of a Custom Victory Kingpin , AND an LT at the same time ...



These are totally different animals. Whether or not Victory has geared the new Vision for touring remains a mystery but you will RARELY find any VTWIN that will stomp a sufficiently powered 4 cylinder of most any configuration.

Your memory of your LT (One you never mentioned ever to my recollection on the VMC so IMO this is pure BS at this point) is very skewd to say the least.
My My: I would admit that up near 100mph the LT is fine but there is no way my LT will stay up with the Hammer from 0 - 100. Something about torque. I will say that my LT is a 99 and maybe that's the difference. Haven't ridden on a newer model. But the LT does handle much better than by Vic. The LT has more HP, less torque and weighs around 200 pounds more (fueled up). A v-twin will never keep up with a V-4 in the upper end. I'll attach a couple pic's of my LT just so you know I'm not BSing.
Jan 20th, 2007 2:09 pm
Petre
Quote:
Originally Posted by messenger13
Let's not bring any of the Slant 4 BMW riders into the mix though. Ask DaveDragon what happened when he (on his LT) and his friend Jimmy (on an 1800 GW) tried keeping up with my GT.

Three words: Buh Bye!
Well now ... once again ... you're talking about a totally different animal. In this case a BEAST. I hope they pull the trigger ion the next LT and put those bad boys in em. Then LT's can say "Buh Bye!" to the wingers too.
Jan 20th, 2007 1:57 pm
messenger13
Quote:
Originally Posted by Petre
Last ride I did to Sturgis we had a pack of many different bikes .... I was the lone BMW . The only bike in our group that could keep pace with me was a Vrod.
Let's not bring any of the Slant 4 BMW riders into the mix though. Ask DaveDragon what happened when he (on his LT) and his friend Jimmy (on an 1800 GW) tried keeping up with my GT.

Three words: Buh Bye!
Jan 20th, 2007 1:52 pm
Petre
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit
really nice looking bike, petre. but i'm surprised that, at 100 bhp, it won't outrun an LT, which is rated at less horsepower and which hauls a lot more weight.
There's more too it than just raw HP ... The KP is a hell of a tire burner. But the way the BMW is geared and more importantly wind resistance or lack there of which plays a huge factor as you hit 50 , 60 , 70 mph and so on.

For shear twisting power , the Victory wins ... but out on the highway , it's no contest.

Last ride I did to Sturgis we had a pack of many different bikes .... I was the lone BMW . The only bike in our group that could keep pace with me was a Vrod.
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