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Sep 13th, 2006 3:56 pm
petepeterson
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick
No idea of the ratio of LTs to motorcycles either, butt for you folks that have replied to this thread, using your home state - here is the forums membership count for those members who have elected to fill out their profile. Doesn't mean that each owns an LT nor even a BMW - so no basis for anythang of substance - just a rough count.

MI = 67
PA = 63
OH = 90
NJ = 39
KS = 15
TX = 280
CA = 466
Ya forgot NC with 78 registered here .............Pete
Sep 13th, 2006 1:53 am
meese
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Originally Posted by wipatters
So the next question would ask how many of the 3-4% is the LT?
Or just go with El Jeffe's comment that there have been about 20,000 LTs sold since '99. Unless you're really picky about which country there were sold in.
Sep 13th, 2006 1:27 am
meese
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Originally Posted by hschisler
Yep, I've heard of those, and been to one (STC). I was thinking something informal, low-key, low-maintenance, minimal (i.e., no) organization, etc., with no aspirations of becoming an "event". Advertise a date and a place and see who shows up.

Thanks.
We've done that too, lots. Sometimes just a day ride, sometimes a dinner meet, sometimes a tech session. That's what the various local forums are for.
Sep 12th, 2006 6:32 pm
wipatters
Percentage

I got this off of an article on the internet at http://www.motorbyte.com/mmm/pages/2...s/review49.htm "BMW is a small player in the US, steadily holding 3 to 4 per cent of the motorcycle market." So the next question would ask how many of the 3-4% is the LT?
Sep 12th, 2006 5:05 pm
Tallyho Last CCR I was fueling up at the Chevron station on the north end of Jackson Hole. You remember it. The one with the offline credit card scanners at the pumps so you had to go in every flipping time? Anyway, there were 3-4 LTs there at the same time and up comes a couple Harleys. Since both were nearly deaf from their pipes, they started up a rather loud conversation with each other. It went something like this. "Have you ever seen so many Beemers in one place before?" "No, is there a BMW dealer here." "I don't think so. Maybe a rally or something." "Well, whatever it is I think all 500 Beemers in America are here for it. Heh, heh, heh!" They then noticed I was listening and smiling and asked: "What're all you Beemers doing out here? Rally?" I said yes. "You camped nearby?" Why yes, I told him. We were camped up at the Jackson Lake Lodge.
Sep 12th, 2006 4:54 pm
rjhammetter
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Originally Posted by stefeb
Aha...thank you. I've seen it done here, but didn't know the procedure had a name. Doesn't it get a bit dicey with an LT? Or, maybe, I haven't enough miles on the bike (2600 since 7/7).
I certainly would buy a jalopy of a bike (some Ninja 250 or something), or maybe even an F650, if I wanted to try splitting lanes. The LT is hard enough to handle at parking lot speeds without cars within a foot of you on both sides. No thank you!

To get back to the original topic - I live in Wisconsin: H-D country, but ESPECIALLY Milwaukee. I rarely get waves from H-D guys. Who cares. Anyway, the point is in the time I've been riding in the state, mostly between Madison and Milwaukee, I've seen a gazillion HDs, half a gazillion Wings, and maybe 5 different LTs (2 of them multiple times). I blame it on the fact I live in the home of H-D. 5 bikes in 6k miles over 5 months? FYI: there are only 3 BMW dealerships in Wisconsin. I can't even guess how many H-D there are - I know of at least 15 I can think of.

The reason I know I've seen 5 is because all but 1 didn't wave back when I waved first. This either means LT riders I've seen 1) don't pay enough attention or 2) don't know what the bike THEY ARE RIDING looks like from the front. Matter of fact, BMW riders rarely wave to me. That makes me extra mad considering almost every Wing and several H-Ds have waved to me and I can't even get LTs to. Wisconsin is very sensitive to the "kind of bike you own" issue. Generally, I'd say rockets are unwelcome except in their own community, Wings & Beamers like each other but are unwelcome elsewhere, and H-Ds strictly stick to only themselves.
Sep 12th, 2006 4:32 pm
dshealey
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Originally Posted by Daman858
Oh, that means that on a road with multiple lanes in each direction, you can ride between vehicles going the same direction as you are, sort of riding the lane markings. I think it is a very dangerous activity but it is legal in some states but not Penn, I don;t think..
It is VERY dangerous where it is not allowed, and other drivers get incensed when you do it. However, that cannot compare to CA, the only state that allows it, and where drivers are used to it and know is is allowed. Certainly there is a little danger in doing it even here, but only a fraction of the danger in other states where the drivers will try to take the enforcement of the laws into their own hands, or just try to stop you from doing it near them. The danger level of the practice in CA cannot in any way be compared to the danger level in any other state.

If you were to move here, and ride motorcycles, it would not be long until you were doing it too. That is what happened to me. Coming from other states, I thought the practice was stupid, until I started riding motorcycles again and not too long afterward began to follow others doing it, and seeing just how relatively safe it was here. I have followed CHP officers on motorcycles, and have been followed by them, for a short time. I alwas moved over for them though as they did it faster than I would. I have also had CHP officers in automobiles move over to let me through on the LT.
Sep 12th, 2006 4:28 pm
stefeb
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Originally Posted by dshealey
Lane splitting is riding between slow moving lanes of cars in heavily congested traffic. You can DO it anywhere. However, in the USA you can only do it LEGALLY in California. In CA, the CHP "Allows" it, if done in a safe and prudent manner. There are no state regulations or statutes that address it in any way, so it is not "Illegal". Most regulatory agencies allow it, the CHP has statements to allow it on their website and in a printed brochure regarding motorcycles. The motorcycle riders handbook from the DMV states that it is not illegal, but not recommended. The CHP allows it however.

Many other countries also allow it, or in some laws against it are just not enforced
Aha...thank you. I've seen it done here, but didn't know the procedure had a name. Doesn't it get a bit dicey with an LT? Or, maybe, I haven't enough miles on the bike (2600 since 7/7).
Sep 12th, 2006 4:23 pm
dshealey
Quote:
Originally Posted by stefeb
In the belief there are not dumb questions...What does "splitting lanes mean?"

Either we can't do it in PA, or we can, and I've never tried.

Thanks.
Lane splitting is riding between slow moving lanes of cars in heavily congested traffic. You can DO it anywhere. However, in the USA you can only do it LEGALLY in California. In CA, the CHP "Allows" it, if done in a safe and prudent manner. There are no state regulations or statutes that address it in any way, so it is not "Illegal". Most regulatory agencies allow it, the CHP has statements to allow it on their website and in a printed brochure regarding motorcycles. The motorcycle riders handbook from the DMV states that it is not illegal, but not recommended. The CHP allows it however.

Many other countries also allow it, or in some laws against it are just not enforced
Sep 12th, 2006 4:17 pm
Daman858 Oh, that means that on a road with multiple lanes in each direction, you can ride between vehicles going the same direction as you are, sort of riding the lane markings. I think it is a very dangerous activity but it is legal in some states but not Penn, I don;t think.


And by the way, I think that, generally speaking, the lack of LTs at such bike week gatherings is because we, as a group, don't go to such things. We would rather ride than style.
Sep 12th, 2006 4:05 pm
stefeb
Quote:
Originally Posted by zippy_gg
...AND we can split lanes!!!
In the belief there are not dumb questions...What does "splitting lanes mean?"

Either we can't do it in PA, or we can, and I've never tried.

Thanks.
Sep 12th, 2006 3:07 pm
Dick
Quote:
Originally Posted by zippy_gg
...AND we can split lanes!!!

Sep 12th, 2006 3:00 pm
zippy_gg
Quote:
Originally Posted by BEhrler
It looks like 46% are in California. Why not have CCR in California sometime soon?
...AND we can split lanes!!!
Sep 12th, 2006 2:54 pm
stefeb
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Originally Posted by LTOehler
I think Lansdale is just south of Allentown, if thats the case we might be up to 3 LTs I never heard of the event
Yep. About 35 miles south of Allentown, maybe 40 miles north of Phila.

Here's the link for future reference.

The only reason to go is for the pulled-pork sandwhiches, but they are good.

It would be great to see 3/4 LTs all parked together. Be like an alien invasion , or sumpin' like that.
Sep 12th, 2006 2:39 pm
docpc
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Originally Posted by tmgs
I've rode Hd since I was 18 years old, till 08-02 the good ol days of brotherhood (what you call a sense of family) in the HD community has been long lost, today it is just a fashion fad and a false "sense" of family, there are a few old timers that know what I mean here on this board.

The meaning of Biker has long since changed as well.
I do hear you, and agree. I'll still keep my '84 FXR(T) and ride it until I pass, though.
Sep 12th, 2006 12:47 pm
LTOehler
BBq pork ???

Quote:
Originally Posted by drifter36
Stefab... I don't know what the ratio is but this is exactly why I choose to ride a BMW. There aren't 10,000 of them everywhere you go. I see you have a HD background so don't take this the wrong way..... Does anyone ever turn thier head to give a Harley a second look?

BTW, where is this event? Its an easy ride for me from NNJ and we might just have 2 LTs show up.
Bob
I think Lansdale is just south of Allentown, if thats the case we might be up to 3 LTs I never heard of the event
Sep 12th, 2006 12:03 pm
stefeb
Quote:
Originally Posted by tmgs
...
Welcome to the real world of motorcycling, stepping up to and cllimbing on the LT, meeting serious riders form all over the world will be enlightening to say the least.
that is IF you decide to do so! ...
Oh yeah , that's exactly what I've decided to do
Sep 12th, 2006 9:27 am
BEhrler
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick
No idea of the ratio of LTs to motorcycles either, butt for you folks that have replied to this thread, using your home state - here is the forums membership count for those members who have elected to fill out their profile. Doesn't mean that each owns an LT nor even a BMW - so no basis for anythang of substance - just a rough count.

MI = 67
PA = 63
OH = 90
NJ = 39
KS = 15
TX = 280
CA = 466

It looks like 46% are in California. Why not have CCR in California sometime soon?
Sep 12th, 2006 9:10 am
UncleRock
Quote:
Originally Posted by tmgs

the real funny thing about #3 is Harley hasn't produced a motorcycle since 1969 and the rubs don't even know it!

<grin>
That would be 1970 not 1969, Dec 1969 they signed the deal with AMF.
1970 was the first year of the AMF logo, while they moved the assembly plant to York, PA and retooled.
Ever since they have yearly increased the part use by their overseas factory Chinky Davidson
This stuff used to be my job
Rock
Sep 12th, 2006 7:05 am
tmgs
Quote:
Originally Posted by stefeb
Thanks to all for your replies.

I'm just thrilled to be a part of this community and to have discovered the LT.

I came from a HD background, and man, what a world of difference, not only in the bike and how it handles/performs compared to my Ultra, but also in the community.

Yes, there is a strong HD sense of family, and that's a good things, but most of the discussions are not about the ride, but the bike, and what's been added (in the way of chrome), etc. Nothing wrong with that, just different from the LT crowd where the emphasis is on where you've ridden over what you've added to your bike.

There was a statement somewhere on this board that went something like this, "There are riders, and there are bikers."

Having owned an LT for close to two months, the truth of the statement has hit home.

I've rode Hd since I was 18 years old, till 08-02 the good ol days of brotherhood (what you call a sense of family) in the HD community has been long lost, today it is just a fashion fad and a false "sense" of family, there are a few old timers that know what I mean here on this board.

The meaning of Biker has long since changed as well.

Welcome to the real world of motorcycling, stepping up to and cllimbing on the LT, meeting serious riders form all over the world will be enlightening to say the least.
that is IF you decide to do so!

Tom
It's all about the Ride meeting folks enjoying life
Sep 12th, 2006 6:51 am
stefeb Thanks to all for your replies.

I'm just thrilled to be a part of this community and to have discovered the LT.

I came from a HD background, and man, what a world of difference, not only in the bike and how it handles/performs compared to my Ultra, but also in the community.

Yes, there is a strong HD sense of family, and that's a good things, but most of the discussions are not about the ride, but the bike, and what's been added (in the way of chrome), etc. Nothing wrong with that, just different from the LT crowd where the emphasis is on where you've ridden over what you've added to your bike.

There was a statement somewhere on this board that went something like this, "There are riders, and there are bikers."

Having owned an LT for close to two months, the truth of the statement has hit home.
Sep 12th, 2006 6:46 am
tmgs
Quote:
Originally Posted by eljeffe
#1 - Loud Pipes Save Lives
#2 - I don't need a helmet (or gear)
#3 - something about anything other than a Harley isn't really a motorcycle

actually they say helmets are dangerous, the can break your neck and kill you. YES the great improved ABATE Motorcycle Safety Awareness Program actually stated that to a group of kids in School in FL

the real funny thing about #3 is Harley hasn't produced a motorcycle since 1969 and the rubs don't even know it!

<grin>
Sep 12th, 2006 6:41 am
tmgs
Quote:
Originally Posted by eljeffe
I'm not sure the LT to other bikes ratio is the one that is important.

It appears you have stumbled across a frequently demonstrated ratio -- the Poser to Motorcyclist ratio.

A poser's fourth most popular saying is "I didn't know BMW made motorcycles"
BWHAHAHAHahahahaaaaa


Oh Crap that was funny!!!!!!!!

dang it Eljeffe, you owe me a new keyboard you GT Riding Texan!

Tom
Sep 12th, 2006 6:38 am
tmgs
Quote:
Originally Posted by stefeb
Went to Lansdale Bike Night last night, which is billed as the Sturgis of the East, a slight exaggeration, but none the less, they do get about 30-40,000 people for a one night event.

Reason I went was the pulled pork sandwiches. A man's gotta eat you know. Two sandwiches one pulled pork, the other a burnt end, two walk arounds, and it's time to go home.

The people that did stop at look at my bike made basically the same comments, "Man, that's a big bike." " I didn't know BMW made motorcycles." "That's huge!".

Anyhow, all those people did come on motorcycles, and as I walked around the entire area, and saw perhaps, 10,000 motorcycles (They are parked on both sides of Main St. for about 1/2 mile, and parked on both sides of every side street in town), the only LT I saw was mine.

There were a respectful number of sport bikes (no BMWs), and a handful of Gold wings, but only one LT.

Now, one LT in 10,000 bikes tells me the LT may be the best kept secret in the motorcycle community.

Is that ratio about right, 1LT per 10,000 bikes?
Not even close. maybe .1 in 10k biles maybe

I think last I knew there were only 15k (or something like that) total K1200LTs that had been produced.

Tom
Sep 12th, 2006 6:29 am
hschisler
Quote:
Originally Posted by meese
There are several already. We have WCR on the west coast, and STC in the east (or south, whatever ). Pick a day and start a thread, and they will come.
Yep, I've heard of those, and been to one (STC). I was thinking something informal, low-key, low-maintenance, minimal (i.e., no) organization, etc., with no aspirations of becoming an "event". Advertise a date and a place and see who shows up.

Thanks.
Sep 12th, 2006 2:21 am
meese
Quote:
Originally Posted by hschisler
Hmmmmm.... this gets me to thinking: a regional LT Rally?
There are several already. We have WCR on the west coast, and STC in the east (or south, whatever ). Pick a day and start a thread, and they will come.
Sep 12th, 2006 2:20 am
meese
Quote:
Originally Posted by stefeb
Anyhow, all those people did come on motorcycles, and as I walked around the entire area, and saw perhaps, 10,000 motorcycles (They are parked on both sides of Main St. for about 1/2 mile, and parked on both sides of every side street in town), the only LT I saw was mine.
That's because you'll find most LTs out on the road, not parked in poser paradise. (Wow, second stereotypical HD-bashing post in a row. Joe must be getting to me. )
Sep 12th, 2006 2:17 am
meese
Quote:
Originally Posted by drifter36
Does anyone ever turn thier head to give a Harley a second look?
Only the straight-piped ones, and then it's not a pleasant look at all.
Sep 11th, 2006 9:52 am
jaskjb I went to Glacier NP this summer (unfortunately not on the LT, but did see some other BMW's on the trip. Didn't keep track of the #'s. Haven't seen any others in Rochester, MN yet. But the attention the bike gets, from being "rare" is nice. Hope BMW keeps making them.

JIm
Sep 11th, 2006 7:48 am
Dick
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zotter
Mmmm, any way to generate a dynamicly updated listing for each state? May be a good bit of info for the 'trivia' thread. Well, at least the site trivia thread

Even a static list, maybe updated once a year... (easy suggestion for the guy that ain't doing it!)
Tate - not sure if this is gonna answer your question, butt - it's easy to generate a state listing of who's who, using the Member List's search function at the 'Advanced Search' clicker.

I just fill in the state name and USA in the form and click the page. Most of the time, gotta do it twice, as in "KS" once and "Kansas" once. Gonna get some Ar"Kansas" under the "Kansas" list, but easy to not count.

I think you can also narrow the list to "City" within a state if you need to.

This will generate a list of folks in the state that have 'elected' to fill out their profile to include 'state', etc. Won't catch the incognito folks.

Like I said, not sure this is what your after, butt works for me.
Sep 11th, 2006 1:22 am
Zotter Mmmm, any way to generate a dynamicly updated listing for each state? May be a good bit of info for the 'trivia' thread. Well, at least the site trivia thread

Even a static list, maybe updated once a year... (easy suggestion for the guy that ain't doing it!)
Sep 10th, 2006 11:15 pm
nightcrawler921
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick
You're just about right, Todd --- although Haven, KS is just a tad west of Salina (on a map page) and there are two LT owners in Haven. Rest of the owners are in eastern KS, 'cept for one in Newton.
Thanks Dick. Good to know I got the only LT west of Haven. Hey, we ain't gonna end up in that whole center of the United States thing again, are we?
Sep 10th, 2006 10:36 pm
Dick
Quote:
Originally Posted by nightcrawler921
Cool Dick. 15 members in KS, must be in the Eastern half. I think I have the only LT west of Salina though. Till you get to the Colorado border anyway.
You're just about right, Todd --- although Haven, KS is just a tad west of Salina (on a map page) and there are two LT owners in Haven. Rest of the owners are in eastern KS, 'cept for one in Newton.
Sep 10th, 2006 10:18 pm
dmatson Thanks will do!
Sep 10th, 2006 10:15 pm
brantvol16 Went to Port Dover in Ontario today - home of the Friday the 13th rides and felt really lonely. Saw a couple of other tourers, Wings and Ventures, but mainly just a lot of rugged individuals all dressed in Orange and Black on V-twins. As William S of Olde England said "Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing"

BTW, the next big MC gathering is Port Dover. Ontario on October 13 - come on up!!

Geoff
Sep 10th, 2006 9:19 pm
nightcrawler921
Quote:
Originally Posted by dmatson
Well when I get back to visit my relatives in Plainville and Hays there will be two! I was almost there last week, my uncle died and I would have been at his service but I had to be in court.
Sorry to hear about your uncle. If you come this way to visit give me a day or two notice and I will clear out my calendar to go riding. Someone from the board stopped in Hays awhile back but I was tied up with the inlaws.
Sep 10th, 2006 9:17 pm
cfell It's lonely at the top... but what a view!
Sep 10th, 2006 9:12 pm
PhilD
How rare are Lts?

I just got back from the Roar to the Shore in Wildwood NJ.
I saw 1 Lt. there beside mine, It felt good to see another brother!
As stated the Lt,s got most of the 2nd looks and deservingly so!
As far as the statement "you are destroying America by buying that foreign crap!!"
Well I had four Harleys and most of the stock electrical devices and after parts are made in the good old Republic of China. Go figure!
Sep 10th, 2006 9:05 pm
hschisler CCR is the place to go if you want MLS (Maximum LT Sightings). Saw about 300 of them there!
Sep 10th, 2006 9:03 pm
hschisler
Quote:
Originally Posted by stefeb
Has there ever been a PA/OH Regional Rally? Seems like there's enough LTs to make it a fun event, seeing how we're almost neighbors
I wouldn't call it a "rally", but we did have had LTs from OH, IN, and PA at my place at the same time... during a Tech Session in June. Last month, we had LTs from OH, IN, and NC.

Hmmmmm.... this gets me to thinking: a regional LT Rally? We could do that... would depend on the interest shown, # of attendees, etc.
Sep 10th, 2006 8:55 pm
stefeb
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick
No idea of the ratio of LTs to motorcycles either, butt for you folks that have replied to this thread, using your home state - here is the forums membership count for those members who have elected to fill out their profile. Doesn't mean that each owns an LT nor even a BMW - so no basis for anythang of substance - just a rough count.

MI = 67
PA = 63
OH = 90
NJ = 39
KS = 15
TX = 280
CA = 466
Has there ever been a PA/OH Regional Rally? Seems like there's enough LTs to make it a fun event, seeing how we're almost neighbors
Sep 10th, 2006 8:42 pm
dmatson Well when I get back to visit my relatives in Plainville and Hays there will be two! I was almost there last week, my uncle died and I would have been at his service but I had to be in court.
Sep 10th, 2006 7:36 pm
nightcrawler921
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick
No idea of the ratio of LTs to motorcycles either, butt for you folks that have replied to this thread, using your home state - here is the forums membership count for those members who have elected to fill out their profile. Doesn't mean that each owns an LT nor even a BMW - so no basis for anythang of substance - just a rough count.

MI = 67
PA = 63
OH = 90
NJ = 39
KS = 15
TX = 280
CA = 466
Cool Dick. 15 members in KS, must be in the Eastern half. I think I have the only LT west of Salina though. Till you get to the Colorado border anyway.
Sep 10th, 2006 7:10 pm
Dick No idea of the ratio of LTs to motorcycles either, butt for you folks that have replied to this thread, using your home state - here is the forums membership count for those members who have elected to fill out their profile. Doesn't mean that each owns an LT nor even a BMW - so no basis for anythang of substance - just a rough count.

MI = 67
PA = 63
OH = 90
NJ = 39
KS = 15
TX = 280
CA = 466
Sep 10th, 2006 6:30 pm
dlbushey 3 weekends ago, I took a 1400 mile trip up the center of Michigan, all around the Upper Peninsula, back down the West side of the state then across the Southern end back to Detroit. Saw many BMWísÖmostly RTís and GSís and 3 older K1100LTís No other 1200LTís in 3 days. Seems to be pretty rare around Michigan, I guess.
Sep 10th, 2006 5:56 pm
nightcrawler921 Just went for a little 70 mile ride to try out the new Corbin, had to clear my head after the KC Chiefs game(bengals suck). Anyway I passed 3 BMWs a GS, an LT and an RT on I-70.
Sep 10th, 2006 5:03 pm
UncleRock
Quote:
Originally Posted by eljeffe
#2 - I don't need a helmet (or gear)
Wow just found out I was a poser. Do they have some kind of award for most miles travelled by a Poser?
Rock
Sep 10th, 2006 5:01 pm
bmwusmc Just finished a 4400 mile odyssey to WVa and back fromn Las Vegas..Saw about 10 BMW's and, I think, 3 LT's on the Interstates during my 14 day ride..Around here in Las Vegas I've come across 2 other Lt's..One at a stoplight near Green Valley Resort and the other going same direction on the freeway(he passed me)..

Guess they're not so scarce here..
Sep 10th, 2006 4:13 pm
katnapinn
Quote:
Originally Posted by stefeb

Now, one LT in 10,000 bikes tells me the LT may be the best kept secret in the motorcycle community.

Is that ratio about right, 1LT per 10,000 bikes?
I went for a little ride this morning out in the Texas Hill Country. All back roads of course. about 3 hours and 150 miles later I have seen about 40 to 50 bikes today. No counting the 15 or so HD's parked at a gas station over half of the bikes I saw where BMW's and 5 or 6 where LT's. So it must be a "Regional Thing" just not many LT's in your reagion
Sep 10th, 2006 3:43 pm
SilverBuffalo
All American?

Quote:
Originally Posted by rkirker
Another one might be you are destroying America by buying that foreign crap!!
You mean like the Showa front forks and the Hitachi starters that come stock on every HD
I could name more, but what's the use?
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