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post #1 of 15 Old Dec 20th, 2015, 1:27 pm Thread Starter
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new owner of 04 k1200LT

Hi guys,
As from tomorrow I will own a 2004 k1200LT !
Up till now I have only ever owned full on sports bikes but after a painful 2000 mile round trip to Italy in 2013 on a Fireblade, I promised myself a comfy ride next time I take a long trip which will be next year.
I know you'll all think I'm crazy, but I have bought this bike without seeing it, the dealer up North has well priced stock so a 2004 bike with 27k miles with very good history seemed a billy bargain, & its being delivered to my house tomorrow ( mon 21st) help !!
What's bothering me is I've started to panic over this low speed falling over thing, Ive never dropped a bike during a std manouvre yet but it seems par for course with one of these bikes!!
Can any of you more experienced long haulers put my mind at rest.
I'm 6' tall & 103 kilo's ( 15 stone 10lb ) so I'm not a little guy but I ain't Geoff Capes either !
So What scary stories du all have for me then ?
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Welcome from Kennesaw GA!

I think you'll find the LT very capable on a long haul and personally I don't think it's a very heavy bike, and it carries the weight low. I think you'll be good.

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That's very reassuring, thanks for the vote of confidence, you know how it is when you change direction completely, its like " what have I done"
I would be so angry with myself if I dropped it as its in really good shape, although its a 2004 bike, it has the later dash, different front mudguard & chrome trim differences too.
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Welcome Lotty to LT ownership!

In 26,000 miles, so far, I've dropped mine twice - (1) once on the first day I took it to a friend's house to show off my new possession, stopped on a slight incline, left it in neutral, put the kickstand down, and it rolled slowly ahead, toppling over gently onto it's side; and (2) while doing a California stop (rolling at low speed through a stop sign), I slammed on the brakes after I saw a car stopped with the right of way, and again toppling gently onto it's side to my embarrassment.

Everyone drops theirs, and I'll undoubtably do it again sometime. Just be aware not to brake suddenly with the handlebars turned, and leave it in 1st when using the center stand. Also, watch Kirk on his illinoisbmwriders.com video showing how to pick up his LT.

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Hi Lotty.
The 2004 "with revised dash" is often referred to as the 2005 model to avoid confusion.
It should have the electric centrestand too (EHCS).
The LT is only top-heavy when at a standstill or going very slowly, like under 5-10kph. Above that its suprisingly stable.
Just know that if it starts going over, let it. The black tip-over bumpers do a great job (usually) of stopping any serious damage. Damn thing is too heavy to try to stop it if it wants to go... just let it and watch Kirk's video on how to pick it up, as mentioned above.
I'm 5'10" and about 86kg (57).... and I can pick it up if I have to.
You'll learn to balance it, but expect to get at least 1 drop out of the way.
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Welcome Lotty. As others have said, it is only at a stop, coming to a stop or at very low speeds that are an issue. If you can fully flat foot the bike at a stop, you have an advantage over some of us others who have a shorter inseam and may not be able to flat foot both sides at the same time. I have dropped mine several times and it has always been when coming to a stop where i didn't get a foot planted and was at a slight turn of the bars and a little lean of the frame to one side. Once it goes beyond a certain point, as stated, just get out of the way and pick it up after the fact. They are amazingly nimble for such a large bike with a little speed. With a little practice, you should be able to allay your fears of it falling unless you get into an unexpected position. Have fun with it and get used to it before you add a pillion.

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Only stop with the front wheel facing straight and you'll be just fine. I'm a shorty at 5 foot 6 inches. I can't quite flat foot but have never dropped mine. One thing is to remember to put your feet down. Sometimes it is so comfortable that I have to remind myself that when I approach stop lights and signs.


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Thanks for all of the advice, unfortunately I've had to ask the delivery driver to take it back to the dealer in his van as I'm not happy with a few things.......
small hole in seat, not focused in on with a close up picture !
rear foot plate retainer lever not pulling up tight
Now to the biggie...brake failure warning light on when ticking over but seems to go out when ridden, but my reason for rejecting the bike is when applying pressure to either the front or rear brake, there is a bad juddering noise which sounds like a solenoid or something is trying to engage without success, once released then the judder stops !!
I have my 100 quid deposit still held at the dealer & they said they'll sort it & deliver it back to me again. I must admit, I have lost confidence now in this particular dealers integrity & feel I'm being treated like an idiot.
Any thoughts on the judder guys ?
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Re: new owner of 04 k1200LT

I think (others more knowledgeable on the different years may chime in with different opinions) that the European market '04 LTs were configured like the State-side '05's with servo assisted brakes. The '05-'09's were pretty much the same. When starting up the brake failure warning light comes on and goes off after you get moving. My '07 servos sound off when I apply the brakes at a stop, and that is entirely normal. On level ground, I leave the brake off at a stop so I don't have to hear it. It sounds like the only thing you need to be concerned with is the small hole in the seat that was not high-lighted in the pictures when you made the decision to buy it. After I bought mine, I had the perfectly good (no holes in them), but uncomfortable for long ride seats, rebuilt by Russell Day Long.

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Thanks for all of the advice, unfortunately I've had to ask the delivery driver to take it back to the dealer in his van as I'm not happy with a few things.......
small hole in seat, not focused in on with a close up picture !
rear foot plate retainer lever not pulling up tight
Now to the biggie...brake failure warning light on when ticking over but seems to go out when ridden, but my reason for rejecting the bike is when applying pressure to either the front or rear brake, there is a bad juddering noise which sounds like a solenoid or something is trying to engage without success, once released then the judder stops !!
I have my 100 quid deposit still held at the dealer & they said they'll sort it & deliver it back to me again. I must admit, I have lost confidence now in this particular dealers integrity & feel I'm being treated like an idiot.
Any thoughts on the judder guys ?
thanks
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Lotty,
A little info for you. The brake light warning is "Normal", the bike has to roll forward for the ECU to verify the ABS sensor is working.

Not sure what judder is however the 04 has linked power assist ABS brakes and when you apply either the front or rear brakes you will hear a whine as the the power assist comes on.

If there was a brake issue, after moving forward a few meters the ABS light would blink. HTH
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I've got an RT, so I can't say for positive, but my ABS lights blink on startup and go off once I get to about 10mph. It's part of the self test on the system and nothing to worry about.

No idea what you mean about the juddering, but that could be the servos as JNW003 stated.

Hopefully they can fix or explain everything to your satisfaction, have patience with them. Also bear in mind that these bikes are definitely different than most others. BMW has their own way of doing things and there are a lot of unique qualities that come from that, shall we say, special engineering they do.

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All are correct. Once you let out the clutch and start moving the brake failure light will go out. Anytime you apply pressure to the brakes the servo is activated and will have a whine to it. I thought the same thing the first time with mine. I was like WTH is that? Go back and pick the beast up. You won't be disappointed with her. The most smoothest/comfortable bike I have ever owned.


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I don't think the dealer should refund your deposit, why should he eat transportation fees when it was your decision not to go look at the bike in person?

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I agree it is a very heavy and top heavy machine. I have the most difficulty getting on and off it at rest because of the trunk and high seating position and my age and size I ques. 5 foot 9 250 pounds. I also prefer a side stand to the center stand especially since my model doesn't have the power stand but a machine that has a side stand, but smokes like it has blown up if you park it on the side stand is a really weird deal. . I have dropped mine twice now, both times while stopped and both times to the wrong side to do that back to it up on the side stand deal. I need more practice at that I guess, but I have so rarely dumped a bike up to this one, I have never dropped any of the Harleys I have owned. Fortunately I have had someone handy to help me get it back up both times. I avoid stopping it anywhere but on flat ground, even it that means I have to California stop graded intersections. I have had many bikes over the years and this is the most top heavy machine I have had. I have not had my girl friend up on it just because I know I will not be able to balance it at low speed or stopped with her on it. So when she rides we take my Harley or I borrow my buddy's dresser. Mine has the ABS light issue and makes all kinds of noises, fuel pump, brakes, etc. I guess it is normal. It has the quietest exhaust so maybe that is why all the other noises are so distracting. Changing oil on it is also interesting to say the least. LOL...

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Thanks to all of you guys, it might be worth a mention that after I returned the bike, I contacted an independent BMW specialist who has frequently removed the servo system on LT's. (300 plus vat ) His opinion was that the juddering will get worse as it is a symptom that the servo system is starting to fail !
He also advised me that on later bikes, BMW removed this system completely due to large qty's of failures.
With regard to Richard comment, sorry but when you specifically ask about cosmetic & mechanical noises etc, & the dealer has specifically avoided these items on the walk around video, then its down to being mis-led ! I can assure you I wouldn't have agreed to have her delivered if these faults had been highlighted, but would have tried to compromise with any repair time needed. These warehouse dealers are known for 'in one door quick wipe over & out the other " I specifically requested an undamaged, good mech order !!
Just for the record, the judder was quite excessive & I doubt it would ever be considered normal, I think you're all possibly referring to a fluid rush / pumping noise because this judder jumps out as something isn't right, even the delivery guy was telling me to reject the bike.
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