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Moto-light bulbs changed

I've been having some flickering in one of the bulbs on the lower fork legs.....took it apart and found that the backside (where the pins come out, was cracked. So I replaced it with another bulb, and then got on-line to order some more. Of course I couldn't remember where I got these from, so I just entered in "USHIO Halogen MR16" in the search block and soon ended up looking at bulbs listed under" Maxxima" at this link
http://www.maxximastyle.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc? and don't ask me why I can't copy the link to the exact page.........but if you find THEIR search block and then enter MLB 16500S......... then click on your enter button.....you'll see what I ended up with.

And I'll tell you .....for 5 watts these little puppies look almost as bright as my HID's!! Yes, they are expensive....but hey.....they sure look cool.....aluminum fins and all.

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Pat, How is the beam spread with these lights. I looked and yours has a 30 degree spread and the best I could find was 20 degrees. The standard Motolight halogen is 35 watt 8 degree with an optional 50 watt 12 degree, which I run, if I remember correctly.

From what I understand these appear to be significantly brighter. Any blinding problems for cars in front or in the other direction?

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Pat, How is the beam spread with these lights. I looked and yours has a 30 degree spread and the best I could find was 20 degrees. The standard Motolight halogen is 35 watt 8 degree with an optional 50 watt 12 degree, which I run, if I remember correctly.

From what I understand these appear to be significantly brighter. Any blinding problems for cars in front or in the other direction?

Hi Jack,
I put a set of the LED conversions that Raffy sells in my moto-lights and they are super bright too.. and the angle as I remember is very similar for beam width. HOWEVER.. these seem quite a bit cheaper.. If they work as well, you will be very happy with the results !!

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I put a set of the LED conversions that Raffy sells in my moto-lights and they are super bright too.. and the angle as I remember is very similar for beam width. HOWEVER.. these seem quite a bit cheaper.. If they work as well, you will be very happy with the results !!
I have the first version of the LED bulbs from Raffy, Quite happy with the looks. The new one he sells has a tighter beam. 45 vs 30????. Not sure, but the ones the OP has found are a third of the price. Not sure you are going to get the same output as Raffy's but worth the price of admission. Hell if you don't like them post them and I am sure you could get most of your money out of the deal...Worth a try IMHO....

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Hi Jack,
I put a set of the LED conversions that Raffy sells in my moto-lights and they are super bright too.. and the angle as I remember is very similar for beam width. HOWEVER.. these seem quite a bit cheaper.. If they work as well, you will be very happy with the results !!
Hey Bill, I saw your post I'm not quite sure I want one with a wide beam. I saw a set of Motolights on a warm day a few weeks ago and they had awesome bright lamps. I figured they were LEDs and they were very noticeable during the day.. Wondered how they are during the night. I don't need any side lights since I converted my under mirror Hella Fog Lights to HID.

Have you used them at night? Any flashes..or back window light up problems?

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I ordered mine last night. I hope to get similar light from this unit to replace my two motolight 50w. bulbs

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Hey Bill, I saw your post I'm not quite sure I want one with a wide beam. I saw a set of Motolights on a warm day a few weeks ago and they had awesome bright lamps. I figured they were LEDs and they were very noticeable during the day.. Wondered how they are during the night. I don't need any side lights since I converted my under mirror Hella Fog Lights to HID.

Have you used them at night? Any flashes..or back window light up problems?
Hi Jack,
Yes I have used them at night and the light is superior to the original bulbs. Also I did not get any requests to dim from oncoming cars.. Yet the guys that were riding with me told me they REALLY knew I was there !

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I think I will get a set and add them to my spring maintenance plan. I would like to get a narrow beam similar to what I have an stay closer with the original design spec, I'm used the 50W 12 degree lamps originally. So I have to see what I can find.

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I buy from here. Very reasonable. I use the 50w 12d in YELLOW. For some reason the difference in color seems to make the bike more conspicuous.

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I buy from here. Very reasonable. I use the 50w 12d in YELLOW. For some reason the difference in color seems to make the bike more conspicuous.

http://www.lightbulbsdirect.com/page/001/CTGY/MR16
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I've been having some flickering in one of the bulbs on the lower fork legs.....took it apart and found that the backside (where the pins come out, was cracked. So I replaced it with another bulb, and then got on-line to order some more. Of course I couldn't remember where I got these from, so I just entered in "USHIO Halogen MR16" in the search block and soon ended up looking at bulbs listed under" Maxxima" at this link
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And I'll tell you .....for 5 watts these little puppies look almost as bright as my HID's!! Yes, they are expensive....but hey.....they sure look cool.....aluminum fins and all.

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Just wondering if the effectiveness of the heat sinks will be compromised by the Motolight enclosure and shorten the useful life of the bulbs.

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Re: Moto-light bulbs changed

My bulbs came today. Turns out, the company is about 3 miles away from my house. Who Knew!

Here are the before pictures:




These are two 50W bulbs.

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The 50W bulbs always gave off a slightly yellow glow. The 5W bulbs are a much more white. I hope the pictures show how equal in brightness the two bulbs are. I don't believe I lost any brightness but I know the draw on the bike is much less.

Since I have my lights hardwired into a fuseblock that turns on with the key, this should put less stress on my battery on start up.

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Looks a lot brighter to me Rob. Any plans on changing your front tire before heading this way next month ?.

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Rob, How does the color compare to the HID color and what temp bulb do you have in your low beam?

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Any plans on changing your front tire before heading this way next month ?.
Now where's the adventure in that?

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Rob, How does the color compare to the HID color and what temp bulb do you have in your low beam?
The color really does look much closer. I forget the temp on the HID I bought. I bought the CQHID kit three- four years ago through the Group Buy here.

The old lights looked slighly yellow. The LEDs really seem to match the HID's color.

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Took the LT out for a spin today. One of the bulbs start to flicker on and off. When I got home, I checked the housing and all my connections- all looked good. I swapped out the new bulb with one of the old ones. Light turned right on!

My guess- bad bulb. I will try emailing Maxxis tonight and hopefully they will respond. Great product and now a test of their customer service.

FWIW, I kinda like the way the 50W, the LED bulb and the HID look. The three points of light are now different colored.

Still- I paid $24 bucks for the thing- they better back it especially after it blowing after a 20 minute ride.

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Hmmmm.....I have tracking lighting in my kitchen that takes the MR16 bulb. I just plugged in the Maxxis and it works fine! No Flickering.

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Hi Rob,

That's a very strange situation. If it was the other way around--the bulb worked on the bike but not in the house, then I would say it's because you have an electronic ballast in the house and that LED bulb doesn't like it. Some LED bulbs work with electronic ballasts and some don't.

Try putting the Maxxis that still works on the bike in the other bulb housing and see what happens.

LED MR16 bulbs are designed to work at 12 VAC or VDC. The bike puts out about 13.8 volts when running. My far-fetched guess is maybe that one bulb has tolerances that make it not operate well at 13.8 volts, though I would think that it should handle upto 14 volts with no problem.

Anyway, I work with these types of bulbs all day long and your situation has me stumped. I'd sure be interested in hearing what the final solution is.

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Looks a lot brighter to me Rob. Any plans on changing your front tire before heading this way next month ?.
Probably not, the last time he was here he thought he could make it home on a really ugly looking back tire. Is that the plan this time Rob?

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Just wondering if the effectiveness of the heat sinks will be compromised by the Motolight enclosure and shorten the useful life of the bulbs.
I would doubt it. These as such low wattage units the aluminum is only there for show not heat dissipation. You've got to remember that these are primarly used for home and art lighting. LEDs put out a lot less heat than the comparable halogen units due. With these bulbs sitting in the normal exposed mount, the aluminum is just for show. JM2CW.

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Probably not, the last time he was here he thought he could make it home on a really ugly looking back tire. Is that the plan this time Rob?
Why change now? Again, it only adds to the adventure!

FWIW, I reinstalled the bulb this morning, and it worked fine all morning long. However, by this afternoon, it was flickering again. Back it goes!

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Any hints on removing the ring around the Moto Light. Mine seem awfully tight and I didn't want to strip them. Maybe some penetrating solution?

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You might want to look for a crushed/separated wire in your harness first. I went thru the original Motolight bulb.....then a yellow motolight bulb and am now on the Maxxim LED's......kept having the flickering like you're talking about. Found that when I ran the wires up next to the fork leg....it was being pinched on hard right turns....and eventually separated completely. Yesterday, I cut and inserted a connector where it was broken (did BOTH wires) and then heat shrinked the whole thing again. I only found it after I noticed that when I turned the bars (lights ON and in the garage) they would flicker......so I went from one end and started wiggling the wires every couple inches until I found the break........

It appears that some folks on this board are awfully concerned with output, and coverage of these little lights......when they really are for BEING seen.....not actually SEEING with them....you know what I mean? After changing over to HID's (hi AND lo) a long while back.......that's really all I could ask for.....to be SEEN...

Something is wrong with my account and it won't let me respond to anything....so if you want to copy and paste this and put it back out there, feel free.

Almost forgot....speaking of LED's...I found replacement LED's for the pilot lights (the ones on each side of the Hi-beam) too.....yellow ones...those got changed out as well yesterday.

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Patterson might be onto something but then again, if there is a kink or a short, wouldn't the old bulb flicker too?

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Any hints on removing the ring around the Moto Light. Mine seem awfully tight and I didn't want to strip them. Maybe some penetrating solution?
You could try a heat gun to loosen it up a little but be careful of the plastic bits.

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Do you have the old style with the holes that uses the spanner wrench or the new style with the bumps that you are supposed to get off with your fingers.

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Any hints on removing the ring around the Moto Light. Mine seem awfully tight and I didn't want to strip them. Maybe some penetrating solution?
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Mine did same thing and I used pb blaster on them. Let soak for 10 -15 minutes. Came off easily. I have the old style with the holes and wrench.

Use petroleum jelly on the threads or your favorite commercial product before screwing back on.

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Re: Moto-light bulbs changed

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Do you have the old style with the holes that uses the spanner wrench or the new style with the bumps that you are supposed to get off with your fingers.
---been away for a while- I've got the older style with the holes around the rim and a "special" wrench. I'm going to try a little blaster and see how it is when I get back next week.

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Re: Moto-light bulbs changed

That is good if you have the spanner wrench. I took mine off while I was on a tour with a vise grip and two small nails I bought at Home Depot. Little scary but it came off with steady pressure. If you have the wrench you should be good to go. Just make sure the wrench stays flat on the ring.

You might try warming the metal with a hair dryer if your bulb is defective.There is a rubber washer behind the ring.. Don't melt it.

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Re: Moto-light bulbs changed

I use an anti-seize agent on the threads. I purchased it from NAPA. Never have a problem removing the bezel.
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Re: Moto-light bulbs changed

These lights with the fin housing will not work. It does not create a good seal. You need an LED with a nice rim. I have used this one and works fine. http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.30208
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I would doubt it. These as such low wattage units the aluminum is only there for show not heat dissipation. You've got to remember that these are primarly used for home and art lighting. LEDs put out a lot less heat than the comparable halogen units due. With these bulbs sitting in the normal exposed mount, the aluminum is just for show. JM2CW.
These lights with the fin housing will not work. It does not create a good seal. You need an LED with a nice rim. I have used this one and works fine. http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.30208
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Re: Moto-light bulbs changed

Well, I put the replacement bulb in and the lights work great!

I had my bike in the shop this week to have new SS brake lines installed. Either the bulb was bad or my mechanic fix the kink in the line. Either way, the lights work great!

Even in the morning glare, guys in the club remarked about how bright these bad boys are.

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Re: Moto-light bulbs changed

Talked to Dan Hansen at Motolight and got some insight as to the LED bulbs they supply - it is a narrow (not sure of the angle) beam 4w single bulb element. They sell the two bulbs for over $100. In talking with Dan he talked about Motolights in general, the goal of their lighting products in general is:

First - is to be seen
Second - to see better

The reason for the LED product was two fold: to place on vehicles where the primary lights are not all that good so the driver could see better (scooters for example) and second to compliment (match color values) for those bikes with HIDs and to maintain the light triangle thus "to be seen". I believe if you are running HIDs I would not necessarily expect the LEDs to compete with the HID from a driver visibility perspective.

The one issue we talked about is people in general using HID and LED products and spraying the road with light that is not properly focused, very annoying to others and possibly unsafe!! I agreed that many people to save money are just uninformed and are buying bulbs with reflectors that are not designed nor intended for the automotive market. So make sure you just are not popping on some LEDs with reflectors meant for display cabinets!!! - that's just not the right application!!

I will be driving over to Motolight on my lunch break next week and checking these LEDs lights out . . .

That's my 2 cents worth and I am sticking to it . . .

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