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Question Motolights as Fog lights?

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Been a while since my last post. Been busy, etc. Been thinking of adding some fog lights to my RT. Will motolights fit the bill? 35w or 50w?? I like the concept of the extra visibility provided by motolights. This morning was a REAL good reason why some kind of fog light would be helpful here in the Central Valley of CA. Started off to work with exceptional visibility. Five miles down the road, the ceiling collapsed. Too far to go home and get the truck, blah, blah, blah. No huge hurry or anything, just looking for some more of the sage advise available from this forum. Thanks!


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Re: Motolights as Fog lights?

Every bit of light will help a little in the fog if the lamps are mounted low, however only a lens designed to work in the fog will be really efficient. Also amber is better than white in fog conditions.
My other concern in the fog is being rear-ended, and I feel safer with the Brake! LED lights

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Re: Motolights as Fog lights?

I made one very early AM ride in fog this year, and I expect it to be my last. I have the white Motolights as well as the HID. I could not see ten feet. I was headed out on the longest ride I've attempted in some 20 years, meeting up someone waiting 40 minutes from me at a lower altitude, in an area that had no fog.

I managed to make it to a main road and followed someone's tail lights for a few miles. It was extremely scary. I would sooner park and get a ride than take a risk like that again. I saw no benefit whatsoever, and doubt any color lights would have made any difference under those circumstances.

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Re: Motolights as Fog lights?

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When I lived in Hanford I parked the bike and drove an old Mercury Meteor in that damn tule fog. I don't think any light will help in that stuff. I saw there was a big pile up near Visalia on 99 yesterday - ouch.

I have been in clouds on the Blue Ridge Parkway and the motolights helped but I was in the foot pegs weaving back and forth "here's the centerline... here's the grass... here's the centerline..." Not fun. I certainly recommend them for increased visibility. And adding one of the european bright rear red lights as well.

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Re: Motolights as Fog lights?

Thanks all for your posts. Fog riding isn't something I take lightly. Out here, there are just times one ends up in the fog wheter you want to be there or not! Might as well have every advantage. Thanks again all.


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Re: Motolights as Fog lights?

I had brake caliper mount Motolites on my GS, and when I put them on my 07 LT I decided to try to convert to a bright amber bulb with a good spread for rain/fog/snow conditions.

I ordered these bulbs from this source:

http://www.mr16usa.com/SILVER-EXT-Y-...ategory_id=451

For a price of less than $3 each, I didn't expect much. However, I was amazed at how bright and effective they are in bad weather conditions. I've put about 8,000 miles on them since installation with no problems.
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Re: Motolights as Fog lights?

Motolights use a very inexpensive bulb with integral reflector that was designed for retail display cases. The beam pattern is a rough circle, with a hot spot in the center. This is definitely not a good choice for a fog light.

Fog lights are designed with a sharp cutoff pattern, so you don't illuminate anything above your eye level. Hella, PIAA, and others all make lights specifically designed for fog, and you will notice a huge difference in your viewing distance with these lights compared to Motolights.


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Re: Motolights as Fog lights?

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Motolights use a very inexpensive bulb with integral reflector that was designed for retail display cases. The beam pattern is a rough circle, with a hot spot in the center. This is definitely not a good choice for a fog light.

Fog lights are designed with a sharp cutoff pattern, so you don't illuminate anything above your eye level. Hella, PIAA, and others all make lights specifically designed for fog, and you will notice a huge difference in your viewing distance with these lights compared to Motolights.
They use a 8,10,11, or 12 degree spot beam on the ones I have. You have to purchase the right bulb for the job. The M16 are made as open of full spot, but you must search for a M16 with a degree of beam you would like. In my case I use these, Osram Sylvania #54208 SYL 50W Halo Spot Bulb.

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Re: Motolights as Fog lights?

There's a good representation of different automotive beam patterns here:

http://www.thepartssource.com/piaa_l..._applicati.htm

You want to use a flat cutoff, and avoid the circular pattern for fog. This requires either a special reflector or a molded, refractive lens.

The MR16 bulb is certainly compact and convenient, but it's a pity it's not made for different applications.


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Re: Motolights as Fog lights?

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There's a good representation of different automotive beam patterns here:

http://www.thepartssource.com/piaa_l..._applicati.htm

You want to use a flat cutoff, and avoid the circular pattern for fog. This requires either a special reflector or a molded, refractive lens.

The MR16 bulb is certainly compact and convenient, but it's a pity it's not made for different applications.
Thank you for the link.
I am a fan of the MotoLight/MR16 bulbs. I use them here in Pennsatuky for the side lighting they provide at night, and safety in the day time.

I have to say we were at .2 of visibility in our area ALL day. It was very tuff driving today. Would not even take the bike out in it.

So will yellow light work because a spectrum (not Phil) type thing or again is it beam refraction?

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Re: Motolights as Fog lights?

Since my quest for MR16 bulbs has been a bit frustrating (another thread), were these bulbs covered? By that I mean did the have a cover glass over the entire bulb/reflector?

If so, could you tell me if there was any install issues in the Motos?

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I had brake caliper mount Motolites on my GS, and when I put them on my 07 LT I decided to try to convert to a bright amber bulb with a good spread for rain/fog/snow conditions.

I ordered these bulbs from this source:

http://www.mr16usa.com/SILVER-EXT-Y-...ategory_id=451

For a price of less than $3 each, I didn't expect much. However, I was amazed at how bright and effective they are in bad weather conditions. I've put about 8,000 miles on them since installation with no problems.

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Since my quest for MR16 bulbs has been a bit frustrating (another thread), were these bulbs covered? By that I mean did the have a cover glass over the entire bulb/reflector?

If so, could you tell me if there was any install issues in the Motos?
The bulbs sold by Motolights, which have a lifetime warranty, have a glass cover over the bulb.

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The bulbs sold by Motolights, which have a lifetime warranty, have a glass cover over the bulb.
HMMMM

I have the original new 35 watt, and the upgraded 55 watt that were installed and shipped by Motolight, and they are both open face.

I know why not just go through MotoLight? I am asking myself this question also at this point.

But hey, only a couple of bucks, and what the hell get another set so I am not a 35/50 cyclops as I am now.

I ordered a Osram Sylvania #54208 @4 I got Osram Sylvania #58325 @4.

The difference is the original is open face and 12 Degree Spread.

The ones I received are close face and 10 Degree Spread.

Here is the cross:
Cross Reference: GE (14787), Osram Sylvania (54208), Ushio (1000416), Philips (39262-1)

The company (Michell) shipped me six of the Ushio which are open face, exact cross, and stamped made in Germany as the Osram Sylvania are. Told me to keep the 4 they shipped N/C.

They also said the open face are going out, not being manufactured any longer and their book showed the sent bulb as a cross. They were great to talk to and do business with. They are:

http://www.bulbamerica.com/

My big concern is heat? With the closed front of the bulb, the o-ring, cover light glass of the motolight, I just thought a closed front would be too much heat.

Well if the closed are OK, I have two sets anyone driving by can have.

My MotoLights are 5 years old or better so never a bulb out until now, always in line, never a switch, bike on they are too. Been burning 40,000 miles on the FLTRI and the LT.

Says something about them don't you think?

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