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post #1 of 12 Old Oct 19th, 2011, 6:15 am Thread Starter
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Rear seating

I've heard mixed feedback from the BMW dealership on this subject as I patiently await my GTL (expected Nov/ Dec)... but are newer builds expected to come with a more robust/ secure rear seating and hand grabs? Anyone hear or know of anything on this? Ride two-up and expect to do much more on this bike. However, rear seating and back luggage still feels like an after thought.
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post #2 of 12 Old Oct 19th, 2011, 9:43 am
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Re: Rear seating

The K1600GTL is just a placeholder till BMW releases the New Improved, and Upgraded K1800LT.

At least that is what my dealer told me in a dream last night :-)

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post #3 of 12 Old Oct 19th, 2011, 11:48 am
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Re: Rear seating

My passengers like having the backrest. Without it, they hit my helmet with each gear change. I read mentions of arm rests as an option but no idea if those ever came to be true.

I personally don't like the top case. I keep thinking it is a car behind me. So I take it off when not carrying a passenger. I do like having the extra storage of the top case.

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Re: Rear seating

Mark, I've had the same questions. Right or wrong I came to the conclusion that
BMW focused on the GT and engine with the GTL being an afterthought.
BMW just didn't address many of the details (that are important to me) which
would have make the GTL a much more refined tourer. ie, seat, handlebars,
peg/board options, luggage rack, larger luggage capacity, arm rest, and yes,
passenger grab handles that a passenger can actually grab. I don't expect BMW to
address any of these issues in either mid year or upcoming model years simply due to
the fact that they are so glaring and obvious and they didn't bother addressing
them in the initial design.
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Mark, I've had the same questions. Right or wrong I came to the conclusion that
BMW focused on the GT and engine with the GTL being an afterthought.
BMW just didn't address many of the details (that are important to me) which
would have make the GTL a much more refined tourer. ie, seat, handlebars,
peg/board options, luggage rack, larger luggage capacity, arm rest, and yes,
passenger grab handles that a passenger can actually grab. I don't expect BMW to
address any of these issues in either mid year or upcoming model years simply due to
the fact that they are so glaring and obvious and they didn't bother addressing
them in the initial design.
+1
Almost word for word the problems I see with the GTL when it comes to my wants/needs.
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Mark, I've had the same questions. Right or wrong I came to the conclusion that
BMW focused on the GT and engine with the GTL being an afterthought.
BMW just didn't address many of the details (that are important to me) which
would have make the GTL a much more refined tourer. ie, seat, handlebars,
peg/board options, luggage rack, larger luggage capacity, arm rest, and yes,
passenger grab handles that a passenger can actually grab. I don't expect BMW to
address any of these issues in either mid year or upcoming model years simply due to
the fact that they are so glaring and obvious and they didn't bother addressing
them in the initial design.

Thanks for the feedback Jon. Not encouraging... but it is what it is.
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post #7 of 12 Old Oct 27th, 2011, 8:49 am
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Re: Rear seating

Ok. I just don't get it. I continually read from the Wing oriented magazines and from some here about the crappy grab rails on the GTL. I have a GTL and have ridden two up with my wife. Neither one of us is of the appropriate weight for our height, so we have some overhang on the seats. But, even at that, my wife has no issue with the grab rails and I have climbed aboard the back while on the center stand and I too can use the grab rails without issue. If one grips the rails with the palms facing inward and reaches from the outside of the rail to the inside there isn't a problem at all. What gives? True, you can't see the grab rails but they are still there and are completely functional. True, also, is that arm rests would be a welcome addition.

Also, I have to agree that the bouncy top case is a bit disturbing, but when Ol' What's Her Name is on the bike and using the back rest the whole thing works very well. She says the GTL is as comfortable for her as the LT was and with armrests she would like it even more.

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Re: Rear seating

Grab rails take a little getting used to. You can not wrap your fingers fully around them but they work fine if you just grip the under side.
A lower backrest is simple to make and will greatly increase the comfort of the passenger.


The seat can be uncomfortable after three days, the Russell is much better.

Illium will have floor boards available in November for both the rider and the passenger.
The horn is a joke but a Stebel will fit and is much louder..
While this bike is not perfect when it comes out of the factory with a little thought and patience it can be made that way.


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Grab rails take a little getting used to. You can not wrap your fingers fully around them but they work fine if you just grip the under side.
A lower backrest is simple to make and will greatly increase the comfort of the passenger.

The seat can be uncomfortable after three days, the Russell is much better.
Illium will have floor boards available in November for both the rider and the passenger.
The horn is a joke but a Stebel will fit and is much louder..
While this bike is not perfect when it comes out of the factory with a little thought and patience it can be made that way.
My wife LOVES the stock rear seat of the GTL a lot BETTER than my old LT. She has no problems with the grab rails either. She just wants floor boards instead of pegs for her feet. Where did you get the back rest for the passenger? How much?

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My wife LOVES the stock rear seat of the GTL a lot BETTER than my old LT. She has no problems with the grab rails either. She just wants floor boards instead of pegs for her feet. Where did you get the back rest for the passenger? How much?

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I got the back rest from Sandys in Loveland Colorado. They are a local upolstry shop.
I would think that a good auto upolstry shop could make one fairly easly. The cost was $140.00 US
This helps Barb keep her back warm in our mountains and also gives some support.
This winter I will also have Sandys recover the upper back rrest.


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+1
Almost word for word the problems I see with the GTL when it comes to my wants/needs.
Ditto. I love the idea of a high-perf touring bike, but in the end, the emphasis is on TOURING.

I also can't understand how BMW can release a touring bike without a full complement of available comfort accessories for passengers. Curious timing. Until they do, I will soldier on with my trusty LT.
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History has a way of repeating itself. If I remember the K1200LT introductions, it took a while for BMW to release a number of accessories.

When BMW did not, many third party vendors stepped in to meet the needs of the riders.

The forum discussions then helped all of us in determining what worked well.



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