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post #1 of 13 Old Aug 21st, 2011, 11:08 pm Thread Starter
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GTL Test drive

Just drove a K1600 GTL this saturday.
LIKES;
Seems a lot lighter then it is.
Can pick the bike off of side stand with almost no effort.
The wet clutch is a nice change from dry RT's Very smooth.with little travel.
The left wheel control on handle bar is slick. (not sure what to call it)
Radio sounded ok.
Had it in rain mode. Did not notice any drive line slack that others commented on.
Shifted nice and smooth not clunky.
Plenty of torque (gobbs of torque) can make a turn at a crawl in 3rd or 4th with out shuttering (RT needs to be in 2nd)
Was following the sales man (on a K1200R) let him get way a head of me, them wind her up and was almost on top him in seconds (look down and i'm going 90mph)
Brutal even in Rain Mode.
Handles like an RT but lower.
Fit and finish perfect.

Dislikes:
Tour pak is not stable period. Lots of movement.Looser than RT. (get real BMW)
Tour pak is way too small for a touring bike.
Thats it for dislikes.

If BMW addresses the tour pak issues i will buy one.
Also drove 2011 RT. Don't see any advantage over my 09 RT.

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post #2 of 13 Old Aug 22nd, 2011, 4:37 am
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Dislikes:
Tour pak is not stable period. Lots of movement.Looser than RT. (get real BMW)
Tour pak is way too small for a touring bike.
By 'Tour pak', I assume you mean 'cases' ?
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By 'Tour pak', I assume you mean 'cases' ?
"Tour Pak" is Harley slang for the top-box.

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By 'Tour pak', I assume you mean 'cases' ?
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The left wheel control on handle bar is slick. (not sure what to call it)
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Interesting observation on the "tour pak". We noticed that on one bike too. We took a test ride also and we sat on one another at a different dealer. The one we just sat on we noticed the Trunk fit was loose. The one we rode for 3 hours was solid. Gotta wonder if it was not put on right or sloppy tolerances?

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post #7 of 13 Old Aug 22nd, 2011, 1:23 pm
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FWIW on my Triumphs, their top box is not rigid mounted and is designed to move horizonal (form left to right) about 3/8th of an inch.

The panniers are also loosely mounted. Triumph states that this design allows for autobahn speed cruising. The movement keeps on oscillation from being transferred directly to the frame of the bike.

I know, it's hard to believe.

I got so tired of the trunk on my Tiger rattling around in cold weather, that I modified it to a solid mount.

Perhaps BMW is doing the same thing here.

From the new Spirnt GT press release:
"The pannier fits on two discreet mounting points through the rear bodywork, while the Sprint GT employs Triumph’s unique pannier mounting system to maintain high speed stability when fully loaded. This system links the two panniers together but allows them a degree of movement relative to the bike, cancelling the effect on the chassis of loaded panniers and ensuring the Sprint GT tracks straight and true at autobahn speeds."


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"Tour Pak" is Harley slang for the top-box.
When ever possible, take that "Pak" off, an entirely different ride with the top box off! On another topic, did a fast cross country ride on a rough, low grade NB "chip seal" secondary road recently in "dynamic, sport" mode, where I normally run it. The two hour ride was very hard on the back!! On the return run I changed the settings to "dynamic and comfort." Big difference in the ride, much easier on the back, but to my surprise, the bike handled better on those rough turns set softer. Lovin the bike!
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"The pannier fits on two discreet mounting points through the rear bodywork, while the Sprint GT employs Triumph’s unique pannier mounting system to maintain high speed stability when fully loaded. This system links the two panniers together but allows them a degree of movement relative to the bike, cancelling the effect on the chassis of loaded panniers and ensuring the Sprint GT tracks straight and true at autobahn speeds."



This is what happens when negative feedback from owners filters through to marketing.

Marketing then talks to the engineers - who admit they have not quite figured out how to make a rock solid mount for the panniers - since marketing requires the bike to be as light as possible in order to have stats that are competitive. Engineering also comments that accounting will not allow them to increase the strength and size of the mounts to make them rock solid since it will cost a lot more moolah, in this case about $3.00 per bike.

Marketing says "WTF" and issues a *strategically mis-representative* press release extolling the virtues of having "flexible" mounts that actually improve handling at autobahn speeds.

Pick your brand - they ALL do the exact same thing...

BMW is generally less offensive then others when push comes to shove, but the trend is writ large.


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One of the things I like about the LT "Tour Pak" is that whet its almost half full of junk like manuals, two jacket liners, extra summer and winter gloves, a rectangular box with the tire gauge, tool for the Garmin screw lock, the small first aid kit and other things, plus a small roll of paper towels to dry the bike on the road, you can sell put one helmet in the top case.

Thanks for the harley translation. Always good to learn something new.

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No .... I had a Sprint, too, and the mounts are visibly engineered to give/take. It's not a tolerance issue. At least not in the Triumph's case. I have no idea if it is effective in making the bike more stable, but it's not a case of retro-marketing.

I am patiently waiting for BMW to design a better arrangement for he passenger, including arm rests. Until they do, I'll stick with my LT. I am in no hurry, and I'm not really interested in buying a first-gen BMW product. I'll wait 'til they iron the bugs out.

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Marketing says "WTF" and issues a *strategically mis-representative* press release extolling the virtues of having "flexible" mounts that actually improve handling at autobahn speeds.

Pick your brand - they ALL do the exact same thing...

BMW is generally less offensive then others when push comes to shove, but the trend is writ large.
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