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Doing the Canisterectomy on the K1600

Is there a canister in the K1600GTL? I looked but cannot find it.

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post #2 of 14 Old Aug 14th, 2011, 6:25 pm
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Why pull it off? It absorbs and recycles gasoline fumes on from the vent line. Keeps them out of the air in urban areas, reducing smog.
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Why pull it off? It absorbs and recycles gasoline fumes on from the vent line. Keeps them out of the air in urban areas, reducing smog.
Because it could clog, create a vacuum in your tank, dent the tank, make the bike run like crap or leave you stranded, just to name a few. Don't know if its an issue in the K1600 though.

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Dan If it has one I have not found it & I have looked.

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If the parts fiche at Max Bmw is to be believed, it has one. Look under fuel supply.

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If the parts fiche at Max Bmw is to be believed, it has one. Look under fuel supply.
Your right But I still have not found it on the bike. It must be under the tank.

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The canister is located *under* the 6 runner tubes of the intake manifold, between the manifold and the cylinder head -- a real beech to get to, even with the tank off, as the manifold itself will have to be removed to get it out (it can't come out the sides due to the main frame rails).

I've taking the canister off every canister-equipped BMW I've owned, but this one is staying put until I have a reason to pull the manifold.

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The canister is located *under* the 6 runner tubes of the intake manifold, between the manifold and the cylinder head -- a real beech to get to, even with the tank off, as the manifold itself will have to be removed to get it out (it can't come out the sides due to the main frame rails).

I've taking the canister off every canister-equipped BMW I've owned, but this one is staying put until I have a reason to pull the manifold.
Looks like BMW out-smarted us on this one, huh?

You can almost imagine the design review meeting:

"So, where do we put the canister so those f$%^& dolts can't remove it this time?"
"Under the tank?"
"Nah, they'll have the tank off 10 minutes after they get the bike home"
"How about under the manifold, where it's locked in place and you have to REMOVE the entire manifold to get it off?"
"Brilliant!"

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Re: Doing the Canisterectomy on the K1600

Previously there was discussion about removing it from a newer K1200LT that was still under warranty and the question came up about it invalidating the warranty. I don't know if removing it would, or how it might effect the data that the dealer draws off of the bike, but, what if the canister were just disconnected?

Because of the location, I'll bet it would be a lot easier to just disconnect it and then re-attach it when it goes into the shop. At least while it is under warranty. Looks like just a few plugs would do it.

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Be careful! I am not so sure about the error states of the new BMW bikes but if you pulled a canister off a late model car or light truck you would set a code and light the 'check engine light.' Not sure, just saying...

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This should be no different than any previous canister-equipped BMW, CANBus or not -- there is a hose from the tank to the canister, a vent to atmosphere, and a hose to the intake manifold via a solenoid. The computer looks to see whether the solenoid is present. On my '09 R12RT, the computer stored a code which identified the missing purge solenoid, but nothing ever showed on the dash.

I haven't thought through the hose locations yet, but the two keys for bypassing the canister are:

(i) blocking off the hose leading to the intake manifold -- to prevent the equivalent of a vacuum leak when the purge solenoid is opened (I'd leave the solenoid connected, so there's no stored codes); and

(ii) making sure there are no low points in the hose to atmosphere which would permit accumulation of water to block the venting of the tank -- you must avoid a blocked line, which would prevent air entering the tank as the fuel is used up (the resulting tank vacuum could cause the tank to collapse and/or cut off fuel flow to the engine when the fuel pump can no longer overcome the vacuum; also, unlike the LT tank which would collapse and restore itself afterwards, it is not clear to me that the K16 tank would collapse without rupturing the tank).

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Sometimes i am simply amazed by the knowledge and thought of the people that converse on this site, even with something as seemingly simple as the gas cannister.

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That is why this is such a valuable site and why It is the only (well almost only) site that I contribute to. I feel that it is the reason why I kept my 02 K1200LT for so long and got so much pleasure from it and why EVERYONE who saves a little money because of what they learn here should do the same.

If you saved any money because of this site, contribute a little bit of it back so that it can remain the way it is....at least an hour of shop time!

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That is why this is such a valuable site and why It is the only (well almost only) site that I contribute to. I feel that it is the reason why I kept my 02 K1200LT for so long and got so much pleasure from it and why EVERYONE who saves a little money because of what they learn here should do the same.

If you saved any money because of this site, contribute a little bit of it back so that it can remain the way it is....at least an hour of shop time!
+1 Dan. Well said.

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