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Why Buy This Bike?

Do you read the other BMW forums and look at the final drive failures?

The 1600's have the same drive and tons more horsepower!

You will buy a bigger more expensive final drive failure.

FACT- no BMW owner that I have ever ridden with that has a final drive has not experienced a final drive failure.

I've had two final drive failures on a bike that just hit 40k. A BMW is good for nothing more than milk runs, do not depend on BMW if you want a worry free motorcycle vacation guaranteed.

I ride to destress no to get stressed, I will never buy another BMW!
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While at this present moment I subscribe to most of your thinking, I don't understand the purpose of your post. The people buying these are in love, and I'm happy for them. I might razz them a bit, but that's all in good fun. Your post doesn't seem fun, unless I'm reading too much into it. I hope so.

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I hear you... you may get lucky and you may not with your bike. I was Mr Bliss too but my BMW karma is gone, they have taken one too many motorcycle ride days from me. As consumers we need to VOTE WITH OUR FEET it is the only power we have. BMW has gone on for years making believe there is no problem with the final drive system they build, I know better. When the time is right for you just remember to vote with your feet!
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Do you read the other BMW forums and look at the final drive failures?

The 1600's have the same drive and tons more horsepower!

You will buy a bigger more expensive final drive failure.

FACT- no BMW owner that I have ever ridden with that has a final drive has not experienced a final drive failure.

I've had two final drive failures on a bike that just hit 40k. A BMW is good for nothing more than milk runs, do not depend on BMW if you want a worry free motorcycle vacation guaranteed.

I ride to destress no to get stressed, I will never buy another BMW!

Sounds like YOU are unhappy and are looking for company..... Most of the figures that I have seen say the failure rate is around 4%. Not high enough in my opinion to get that upset about, unless you are part of that 4%.

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Have you even looked at the new 1600's THEY DON"T HAVE THE SAME FINAL DRIVES.

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He just wants to Piss & Moan because he had his finial drive fixed the first time by someone that apparently had no idea how to do it. Now it has happened again so he takes it back to the same place to get the same outcome as before. PLEASE sell, trade ,dump it in a ditch and burn it (your words) & get the hell out of here. Go buy a wing, get some depends & bottle of geritol & join the wing forum. Over there you can read about ALL the flaws it has then Piss & Moan when they happen to you.
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.
BTW my 2000 K1200LT had 70K on the FD when I sold it for the K1600GTL & now has almost 80K with the VERY HAPPY new owner.

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Dan,

I'd really like to know where this 4% number comes from. I'm am dead straight when I tell you I have not ridden with a BMW owner who has 1999 or newer BMW with a shaft drive system that has not had a final drive failure. I'm taking about dozens of guys I have ridden with for many a mile.

I live in Northern California, all my rides have lots of turns, I have logged hundreds of trips into the Sierra Mountains just like the other BMW owners I know. Maybe if you live in FL or most of TX where you go straight and only take lefts and rights at the stops the drive works for you. Where I live the drives fail. BMW needs to fix the problem and not pass the cost of engineering failure onto consumers. I've earned my right to rag on BMW, I paid for the bike with cash and I paid to replace the final drive twice at a BMW Dealer.

I don't post to talk about how nice the heated grips are on a cold day.

I don't love the bike I ride it.
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Hey Katnapinn;

1st failure 400 miles from home in Big Foot country CA, towed to the closest BWM dealer 150 miles further away in Oregon.

2nd time in the foothills of the Sierra mountains towed to the closest BMW dealer 100 miles back closer to where I live.

I don't ride to go buy milk for MaMa or have a beer down the road and I don't ride to save gas money and I don't ride to keep BMW in business.
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This is my fourth BMW since 1995. Ive got over 200,000 on them with no final drive failure. I havent ridden with anyone who has had one.

Ive read the same 4% figure on several forums.

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I'd really like to know where this 4% number comes from.
I must admit, I ask the same question. Of all of the guys I know that rides or has ridden a BMW (most from this forum) almost EVERY ONE OF THEM has had a failure. That "4% figure" was collected and/or arrived at a long time ago on this very forum, and I believe it is WAY out-of-date. By now, that figure is far into double-digits ... 10-20%, if not higher.

Tom, I suggest you do what I did. Sell the BMW and buy another brand. I'm currently on a 2010 Kaw Concours14, and love it. But if the 1600 proves to have the final drive issue solved, I may eventually be a BMW rider once again in a year or two.

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I think he wishes he had a GTL/Gt and doesn't have one. Kinda like making up all the things he didn't like about the girl after she dumped him.
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Well I guess I'll have to stir the pot, my 03 LT has 102,000 miles and I have ridden every mile, and it still has the original final drive. Just changed the drive oil 1500 mile ago and the oil that came out still looked brand new, also the drain plug was spotless. I'm and old race guy and I can tell ya these aren't easy miles either. This has been a great machine and without a thought the next new bike for me, will certainly be a new BMW!

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It's all anecdotal information so I can only add that I do not know of anyone personally, except some on this forum, who have had to change out a final drive in the almost 10 years that I owned my K1200LT. I only put 50,000 miles on her, but they were trouble free and I did pick up lots of milk!

4% was a figure I heard on this forum, but it's never been officially validated. I have also spoken to several dealers and maybe they lied, but their figure is a lot lower.

Bottom line is that no one has to buy a motorcycle, it is generally an optional vehicle and if you are that unhappy, go where you will be happy. Life is way too short to be bitching and moaning about a hobby..

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Well, between my 96 R1100RT 50k miles, my 99 ltc with 70k miles, and my 02 ltc with almost 80k miles, all of these above having the "same final drive" I had 0 failures, yes, 0. that leaves me in the 100% satisfied with final drive category.

So you might get your facts strait, the final drive on all those with failures was on the rt side of the bike, not the left. That would mean the 1600 GT/GTL is obviously a new design.

Quite frankly, the fact you wont buy a new bmw is good for alot more people than the one or two you will sway away. come to think of it.... why are you riding one now? one more note.... my tires wear all the way accross, i do scrape my footpegs on all of the bikes i have. My new GTL is awesome.

I have to say there is a Honda in your future, enjoy it, cuz we will be riding the kahuna's out of our gt/gtl's and smiling all the way.

seriously.............. buy a ural, they have two wheel drive.

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He just wants to Piss & Moan because he had his finial drive fixed the first time by someone that apparently had no idea how to do it. Now it has happened again so he takes it back to the same place to get the same outcome as before. PLEASE sell, trade ,dump it in a ditch and burn it (your words) & get the hell out of here. Go buy a wing, get some depends & bottle of geritol & join the wing forum. Over there you can read about ALL the flaws it has then Piss & Moan when they happen to you.
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.
BTW my 2000 K1200LT had 70K on the FD when I sold it for the K1600GTL & now has almost 80K with the VERY HAPPY new owner.
I'm with you on this one. Join another forum. And choke on those sour grapes.
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Sorry for your problems Tom. You seem frustrated and your reaction (trying to dissuade buyers of a bike you don't even own) seems a bit silly.

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I sold my LT a couple of years ago because of back problems. It was my 6th BMW without a final drive failure (Over 100,000 miles) . The mileage was done in the UK and Europe where we tend to ride harder and faster than most (with the exception of Ken Meese). I bought a Honda NT700 as it was lighter and more manageable for my back. The finish is dreadful, it looks like a ten year old bike, (faded panels and rust on the handlebars) although it's just over two years old. The ride quality isn't a patch on the BMW's. The fuel injection system has been playing up for months making it almost unrideable. Right now I'd rather have a BMW , even with a final drive failure.


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Tom,

You've whacked the hornets nest and now you can go back to your Gold Wing or Connie forum and yuck it up about how you really threw it at us. HA HA HA HA!!!

Now, for some real, unadulterated personal facts. I have now owned 4 BMWs, ALL shaft drive.

#1 is a 02 R1150RT with 108,100 miles on the odometer. Those are actual miles, not a fictitious number. I have the ORIGINAL final drive in it and have only had to lube the clutch splines at 68,000, replace the HES at 96,000 and replace a fuel pump at 102,000. I just completed a ride from Knoxville, TN to Yuma, AZ and back in April. The bike runs just as good as it did the day I bought it.

#2 is a 00 K1200LT and I just traded it for my 1600GTL two weeks ago. Emil had 94,837 on him when I dismounted for the last time at the dealer. I rode it in with the ORIGINAL clutch and the ORIGINAL final drive. Also, I NEVER had to do anything to the bike other than replace a broken shift linkage; and that I was still able to ride it home but only in third gear. The bike NEVER stranded me in nearly 95,000 miles. I do know that others have had final drive failures, and I make no light of their misfortune. I can't tell you why mine didn't fail, even traveling heavily loaded with the spouse and later even pulling a trailer with it. Once I made the decision to pull the trailer I did change the final drive fluid every 6K along with the engine oil.

#3 is a 10 K1300GT. I bought it a year ago July and rode it 10,110 miles before trading it in also for the GTL. Of course, with only 10K on the clock the bike never gave me any trouble whatsoever.

#4 is a 12 K1600GTL. With only 2K on it in 10 riding days I'm still getting used to it but no issues. Before you start flaming the bike, perhaps you should do a little research on it first. You won't read any of this on your Gold Wing site, but the final drive is SIGNIFICANTLY heavier and more robust. Does that mean it won't fail? Not at all. But, for the record we could go on about the frame cracking on your Gold Wing, the heat issues and piss poor rear brakes on the Connie 14, the high speed instability on the ST1300, and on and on. Truth is, every bike has it's strenghts and weaknesses. Every bike!! I, and thousands more just like me, are living proof that the BMW motorcycle is a very robust, long distance machine. I dare say, it is the most comfortable, best performing, best handling and capable of the longest distance in a day, motorcycle out there.

So, I'm sorry you don't like your bike, and that's assuming you even do own a BMW, (a big assumption at that). Sell it, take the money and buy yourself a cracked frame GW or get a Connie or FJR nut roaster and go have yourself a ball. I'll be sure to wave at you as I pass you by. Hell, I might even use all four fingers.

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Well that's it. I waited seven months for the perfect motorcycle, and now I find out that Tom doesn't like it. So sad guess I'll have to sell it. Any one want to but a GTL. I just can't take the chance on being seen on a bike that could break down and Tom doesn't like. I mean really My old Ultra Classic didn't like Canadian gas and started stalling out. I could have fixed her, but sold her cause she could have really broken down. My truck could break down, should probably sell it. Hell my house could burn down, should probably sell it. Heck come to think of it I could break down too, should probably give up the things that bring me joy, and join the monastary. I don't know much about the history of BMW final drives, and I certainly couldn't fix one on the side of the road, but I do generally try to take care of the things I love, and if they break, well things happen, you fix them and life goes on. I realize it's possible I could have a final drive failure on this bike, but it's also possible I'll ride it for years w proper care and see places I've never been, meet wonderful people, and if I'm lucky get lost and found a few dozen times. I appreciate your concern, but think I'll roll these dice as I waited to long for this bike to come along, and there are to many roads unseen for me to give it up because there might a problem somewhere down some road I have yet to discover. Come to think of It I'll keep the truck and house too.
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Well that's it... Heck come to think of it I could break down too, should probably give up the things that bring me joy, and join the monastary... Come to think of It I'll keep the truck and house too.
Hey Wdwrkr, does this mean you're not going to the monastary? Cause I'm on the waiting list and looks like I might have just moved up one number? They are going to let me bring the GTL though so we can meditate the rest of our lives on its shortcomings and repent endlessly on why we soured our mortal souls with such a piece of crap. Did I mention the monastary was sponsored by Honda?

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Everyone has an opinion and associated demons. Some apparently really fret over the rear drive failures but what amazes me is how free people are in sharing their fears, especially when it comes to motorcycling.

This isn't really related to the GT/GTL but it is intended to illustrate a point; the top things told to me by others when they see I ride (often):

* Wow, you ride a motorcycle? What do you do if it falls over?
* I would like to ride one of these but my great uncle on my wife's cousin's nephew's side died on one when he rode off a cliff in Colorado in 1910 so they are too dangerous for me.
* What do you do when it rains?
* Think of your kids, you shouldn't he riding that thing!
* Motorcycles scare me because they could just slide out and fall at any time...
* HD related: I never rode a motorcycle because I see them shake so much at traffic lights.
* Cover your ears hunny, these things are always way too loud when they start up.

After about 200k miles of riding I have fallen over, gone down several times for various reasons, broken down, run out of gas, rode in the rain, heat, cold, sleet, snow, etc. I have never had a rear drive failure yet but the fear of the unknown has not stopped me yet.

But my point to all this is that it has stopped millions of other folks from riding. Be kind to them as they have unfortunately succumbed to their demons!

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I just want to say how much I enjoyed this thread. Great writing guys, thanks.

For the record: I'm on my second LT (2000 and 2003). Over 80,000 miles total, no HD failure on either bike.

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Sell the BMW and buy another brand. I'm currently on a 2010 Kaw Concours14, and love it.

Joe,

Be careful on your "high horse."

My riding partner's new Concours had TWO rear-end failures, back to back.

He traded it.
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Be careful on your "high horse."

My riding partner's new Concours had TWO rear-end failures, back to back.

He traded it.
I'm not on a high horse. My GT failed, I sold it and moved on. Should my Concours fail, I'll sell it and move on to yet another brand. Frankly, I don't understand where all of this brand loyalty comes from.

Odd though ... I have yet to read one single thread about a rear-end failure on the Connie site. I'm not saying they don't happen, just stating a fact.

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The 4% was fact -- spoken by a BMW regional rep at one of the early CCR events. It included both bearing failures and seal failures without associated bearing failure.

Is it out of date? Certaintly.

Is it still of value? I believe it is, as in the later years the frequency of reported LT FD failures *substantially* decreased. The later wedge K's also had failures, but at a far lower rate than the LT. Given the new GTL builds on the wedge K design and is beefier, I expect the frequency of failures to go down even farther.

Face it -- EVERY single shaft FD has had failures, Honda, Moto Guzzi, Yamaha, Kawasaki, BMW airheads (which are so fondly recalled now as being bullet-proof), etc.

So, Tom: Stuff it.

The BMW drives are NOT all a flaming disaster waiting to blow up on each and every bike. Yeah, you're pissed. We get it. But resorting to multiple threads (this is at least the second on this forum) to try to claim that they're ALL crap and going to blow up --ESPECIALLY an entirely new design (i) with which you have zero experience, (ii) which has (as far as I've heard, and I monitor most K16 forums) zero failures, and (iii) we have every reason to believe won't be having any more than the typical statistically-low levels of failures (one the order of the frequency of GoldWing FD failures) is stunningly childish.

BTW -- the "every BMW rider I know has experienced a FD failure" is bs -- that just tells me either you don't know many BMW riders or you feel the need to over-characterize the problem to make your point. A far more telling (and valid) assessement would be a survey of the ~7K riders at the BMW National Rally -- I'd have wagered a bunch on the fact that the percentage of *actual* first-hand FD failure experience would still have been in the low single digits.

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Tomand . . . .,

Guess I should write to the administrators and have them open up a new form and call it "Whiners" this
will be a place for those who need to rant. I mean a place where people can spew all the anger, hurt
and frustration their bike has caused them. A place where maybe they can seek others who need
to spout off the injustices of "life" and how they do not deserve what has happened to them. A place
where people who buy used goods that fail to meet their expectations can shout out. Hey even a
place where people buy new goods that fail to meet their expectations can really express their
anger. A sanctuary for the disgruntled. I mean a place were we can start a thread based on
negativity, raw emotion and injustice that will never die. I am sure it will attract many a rider and
those that like to listen in . . .

Truly if any vehicle I owned failed as much as yours and with your attitude I would dump the bike
and "be gone" or on the other hand you could support me in creating the Whiners Forum!!

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OK, I'm not trying to break any balls here, but I have experienced an FD failure.
It occurred on my '06 RT at 88,400 miles.

Of course I had to pay the full replacement cost myself, about $2100.
But I have to say, this was the first time I ever had to put a dime into this bike.

If you want to read about other FD failures, just do a quick search here and you will find plenty.

But if the new FD lasts me another 88K miles, I think I'll be satisfied.
Every mechanical system fails sooner or later, and BMW's are no exception.

What I would like to see is for BMW to overbuild their FD's and extend the warranty's on them to something like 100,000 miles.
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More kool-aid being drunk here than at Jonestown.

How useful and interesting would this forum be if everyone held hands, sang Kumbya and odes to the Mothership? Might make the true-believers feel better about their purchase, but could create a false reality (unless you accept the idea that "ignorance is bliss". ) If you have had nothing but positive experiences with your bike, consider yourself lucky, because there is nothing that will ruin a day, week or month more than being stranded, having the bike tied up in the shop or paying exorbitant repair bills for a design defect.

Some owners (myself included) have had serious problems with their Beemers and have the right, and some feel an obligation, to point out what happens when things go bad. We are living in the age of social media and when a company screws up a product and provides poor customer service, it should expect that information to be spread. And believe it or not, the pressure of potential negative publicity should lead to better products and better customer service.

So thank those who have the guts to face ridicule from the true-believers -- they are the check to keep BMW corporate in balance. And if you really do not want to hear it, there is always the delete button.
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Some owners (myself included) have had serious problems with their Beemers and have the right, and some feel an obligation, to point out what happens when things go bad. We are living in the age of social media and when a company screws up a product and provides poor customer service, it should expect that information to be spread. And believe it or not, the pressure of potential negative publicity should lead to better products and better customer service.
I agree but the original poster Not only posted a NEW thread about a K1200LT in this (K1600GT/GTL) Forum along with a NEW thread in the K1200LT forum but he went back & dug up 4 or 5 OLD (2 to 3 years old) threads to post the very same crap in ALL of Them. He stated that ALL BMW are a piece of crap & ALL his riding buddies have had FD failures. A single Thread voicing his concerns in the proper forum would have be met with a much more Sympathetic out look. Instead he chose to bitch & moan in EVERY thread he could find or start. I for one hope he does sell his POS BMW & goes away.

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What I would like to see is for BMW to overbuild their FD's and extend the warranty's on them to something like 100,000 miles.
I believe they did over build these final drives. It is a very robust design. Unfortunately they also over shimmed them during assembly which has led to the many pre-2003 failures. If you have a pre 2003 bike you WILL have a final drive failure as the odds are against you. But you reduce those odds significantly by doing a ($100.00 in parts) pre-emptive rebuild with proper shimming.

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Bought mine with 92,000 km., as far as I know it was the original FD. Now has 144,000 km and still good to go. But, unfortunately, like all things mechanical, it will fail (sometime) and I will also die sometime. In the meantime, I'd better get out and ride some more so I can find out just how many km I can enjoy on mine. See you on the road.

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More kool-aid being drunk here than at Jonestown.

How useful and interesting would this forum be if everyone held hands, sang Kumbya and odes to the Mothership? Might make the true-believers feel better about their purchase...

...So thank those who have the guts to face ridicule from the true-believers --)
Well, now you've REALLY gone and thrown a stone that I'll never be able to dodge. You've called me a disparaging name because I dare to tell others that BMW motorcycles have been the best motorcycles I've ever owned. And, furthermore, I don't care to hear the bleating and histrionics of some lame-brain who can't come to grips with the fact that somethings mechanical break. My RT left me stranded twice. I had it towed to my house once, where I fixed it, and once to a dealer because I didn't have time to do the repair before a two week, 4500 mile trip just a few days later. I paid the dealer handsomely for the repair, and hopped on the RT and rode my trip. Not once, ONCE!, did I dwell on the fact that the bike had just quit on me only days before. I rode my ride, had a hell of a good time and rode home. It has over 108,000 miles on it now and I'd ride it again cross country tomorrow if need be. The next time it breaks, I'll fix it, or have it fixed, and carry on. As I have said previously, I make no light of others who have suffered failures of their final drive or any other component. I understand that there are those who do break and I have been among them. Failures and being stranded is a gigantic pain in the arse without argument.

I am a (gasp of horror please) "true-believer" because I have owned a plethora of bikes before this. Every one of them, has suffered a mechanical failure of some sort or another. Every one! I tend to keep my bikes for a long period of time and put a lot of miles on them so I have learned to expect that. Some bikes failed at very early mileage. Like an 83 Honda that the starter relay took a dump with only about 3 or 4 thousand miles. That left me in the flatlands of the Mississippi River delta with no hill to roll it down. So every time I needed to start it I had to enlist the help of some "pushers". But yet, somehow, I managed to go forward and ride the bike for a few more years. I am a "true-believer" because after owning and riding so many different bikes from the land of the rising sun, I stumbled upon a BMW dealer who let me test drive a brand new BMW. This was after I had spent a couple hours at the Honda dealer just down the road negotiating a price for a new ST1100. We agreed on the price and when I asked for a test drive, the salesman told me that after I paid for the bike, I could test drive it all I wanted. Long story short, I walked away from Honda and found BMW. After my test drive on the Beemer, I found that I had been denying myself the full luxury a motorcycle could afford. No longer did my hands and feet go numb after 45 minutes in the saddle, no longer did I stop for fuel and have to sit while the numbness left my legs before I could get off the bike. No longer did I have to keep praying for the fuel low light to come on so I could justify getting off the bike at 150 miles. I am a TB because I have good reason to be. For ME, the BMW is the best motorcycle for ME. I like the engineering, I like the ride, I like the personality my bikes have and I like having a bike that will let me ride 700-800 miles per day, get off and be ready, nay, eager, to get on it the next morning and do it all over again. My BMWs have taken me and my wife places we'd have never ventured before on the Asian bikes. Not that they weren't reliable, but they just didn't have the quality that encouraged us to ride.

Ok, I've taken the first step in my recovery. I've admitted publicly that I am fond of a BMW motorcycle. I admit that even after adverse conditions I am still willing to trust my Bavarian motorcycle to get me to my next destination. So here I sit....flame away! Grape is my favorite, but cherry is my other favorite.

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Well, now you've REALLY gone and thrown a stone that I'll never be able to dodge. * Snip
Greg,
Let it go.

The accusations of being BMW fanboys are being posted on a BMW fan site. The post would not get too far on a Harley site now would it? All the non-BMW riders are likely somewhere else I would imagine.

I know they feel let down by the bike(s) and company and are upset. But it is up to us how we react to what they post.

Equal time on a non-BMW site like advrider would be more appropriate but guess what? R1200GS is a favorite over there and, although they post about RD failures, there is not much hate there either. I still see GS's roaming the globe thousands of miles from any BMW dealer; arctic crossings, jungle trails, desert blasting; it is obvious those riders are much move likely to take their life in their hands with an RD failure than us riding to the corner store. Can you imagine being stranded in the Sahara? The thought doesn't stop them either. My point is that if a non-BMW lover picks the GS above all other bikes and risks their life to its mechanical abilities then there is nothing wrong with what you are doing, thinking, professing.

It is obvious to me that the OP wants a reaction. He is virtually walking into a biker bar and yelling something about our mothers...

It aint worth it; let it go.

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I'm not on a high horse. My GT failed, I sold it and moved on.
What does "moved on" mean.
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Well, at least this guy didn't threaten to kick all of our a$$es, like that guy about a week ago.

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The OP asked a simple question "Why Buy This Bike"

I'll answer it, because the the GT is the best sport touring bike and the GTL is the best touring bike, today.

Besides, CW said you should sell a kidney to get one
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If you guys really want to say something to TomandMelanie about the post I would just say nothing and in a few hours it will filter to the bottom of the list and never be seen again. Let him have his option and we can have ours. I would say that we need to just learn to ignore some of these types of posts and let them die.

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I'm not on a high horse. My GT failed, I sold it and moved on. Should my Concours fail, I'll sell it and move on to yet another brand. Frankly, I don't understand where all of this brand loyalty comes from.

Odd though ... I have yet to read one single thread about a rear-end failure on the Connie site. I'm not saying they don't happen, just stating a fact.
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If you guys really want to say something to TomandMelanie about the post I would just say nothing and in a few hours it will filter to the bottom of the list and never be seen again. Let him have his option and we can have ours. I would say that we need to just learn to ignore some of these types of posts and let them die.
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Bushtec is rumored to have just finished a slick hitch design, and I believe someone in the Pac NW has also (Dauntless? other?).

BMW promises OE armrests by the end of the year (read: maybe sometime next year).

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I believe they did over build these final drives. It is a very robust design. Unfortunately they also over shimmed them during assembly which has led to the many pre-2003 failures. If you have a pre 2003 bike you WILL have a final drive failure as the odds are against you. But you reduce those odds significantly by doing a ($100.00 in parts) pre-emptive rebuild with proper shimming.
Exactly. And anyone who has spent any time here knows that, or if they come in with a reasonable attitude then they get shown that, and suggested where to get this simple yet effective procedure done.

Y'all know how many FD failures I've had, and how many times I've been stranded, so the original poster does have a point. But attitude is everything, and he's chosen to channel his justifiable frustration into unjustifiable hostility at us for being so "deluded".

Not cool, and not the way to garner friends who might actually be able to help him regain the confidence in a bike that he once loved.

So now he'll either calm down and apologize, or storm off in a huff and go trouble some other board. Either way, we'll still be here, putting the miles on our P.O.S. German time bombs, and helping each other out when needed . . .

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And who am I to argue with either of you?

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Especially since you've already moved on.
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I've "moved on" to another brand of motorcycle. But harassing Mr. Meese is a skill that took me years to perfect. I can't stop doing that now. I'd let too many people down if I did. (Including Ken)

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I'm just now paying some attention to this thread, so I guess I need to apologize to those who want to let this topic die... although lots of others are keeping it going. Anyway...

My '05 LT has 117k miles on it. Yes, the FD failed at 6k miles but that was because the BMW dealer's service tech left the fill plug off the FD during the first 6k service! I rode the bike 3 hours and got to my destination with a screwed FD. I don't count this as a "mechanical failure" - it was actually a HUMAN error.

So, in the last 111k miles the FD has not failed. Maybe I should introduce myself to the original poster; that way, he will know someone whose FD has not failed.

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