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A Couple Of Things.....Weak(Narrow) Headlight?

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These are just my observations. While watching the riding videos of the GT/L I noticed that the trick new headlight (on what appears to be on low beam) does not appear to be very bright. Although the light is a Xenon halogen(?) it appears to be a very narrow pencil beam.
Now the high beam appears to be the two bulbs and that may be very bright (no real practical photos or videos of its usage).
I hope this is wrong since I am one of those that would like one of these puppies and will just run it with the high beams during the day.
Although the Adaptive Headlight option appears to be a neat feature, I don't ride enough at night to justify the $$$$. And it is just something more to go wrong.
I did post this observation on another k bike forum and was promptly shut down by the site manager (you know who) and told I was wrong, etc. Like I mentioned, it is just an observation from BMW's own videos. We really won't know until the GT/L are in use on the street. Can't wait. Will just add caliper mounted LED's anyway.
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Although the light is a Xenon halogen(?) it appears to be a very narrow pencil beam.
Now the high beam appears to be the two bulbs and that may be very bright (no real practical photos or videos of its usage).

Although the Adaptive Headlight option appears to be a neat feature, I don't ride enough at night to justify the $$$$. And it is just something more to go wrong.
The main light is a Xenon bulb. The bulb is filled with Xenon gas and a high voltage is used to arc across two contacts, this causes the gas inside to glow brightly. Most Xenon bulbs I have seen are more than adequate, and I believe are regulated for DOT. The high beems are the halogen bulbs and as such I can only assume that there will be after market bulbs available if one chooses.

As far as the price, I do not think it has been advertised yet.

Yes, it is one more thing that can go wrong but, I think thats the price to pay for having such an awsome bike. I know when I get mine, I do not want to kick myself years later for not getting most of the options.
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Re: A Couple Of Things.....Weak(Narrow) Headlight?

As you state, you're basing this observation on a video and that's the whole problem.

Here's a crazy idea; how about waiting till you can actually look at the headlight in the real world before worrying about how effective (or ineffective) it is?

That said, I agree regarding the adaptive headlamp. I rarely ride at night anymore, so this one option I would probably pass on.

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Re: A Couple Of Things.....Weak(Narrow) Headlight?

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Here's a crazy idea; how about waiting till you can actually look at the headlight in the real world before worrying about how effective (or ineffective) it is?
You're kidding right? This entire subforum exists on a bike that is not available for riding yet.

Should we close it down until the bike comes out? Or is it only (presumed) negative comments that are not allowed?

Just askin'.

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Re: A Couple Of Things.....Weak(Narrow) Headlight?

Welcome to the forum.

I think we're all agreed that we're going to have to wait for the real thing to get the answers to our numerous questions. BMW are short on detail. But guessing and arguing is giving us something to do in the meantime!

One thing I'd personally take issue with is your comment: ...'and will just run it with the high beams during the day'. Even though I'm a biker one thing that does annoy me is being blinded by oncoming bikes with mis-aimed lights or high beams on. Bikers get enough bad press without adopting habits that will piss off other drivers.

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Re: A Couple Of Things.....Weak(Narrow) Headlight?

Ever looked at a xenon headlight on the K13GT during the day? It's barely visible unless you're in the right angle, directly ahead.. I'd run the high beams during the day, since all cars around here have daytime running lights.
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As you state, you're basing this observation on a video and that's the whole problem.

Here's a crazy idea; how about waiting till you can actually look at the headlight in the real world before worrying about how effective (or ineffective) it is?

That said, I agree regarding the adaptive headlamp. I rarely ride at night anymore, so this one option I would probably pass on.
Hi Troop,
You are right, and as I mentioned in my post, we will have to wait to see how the light looks in real time. It was just an observation, just something for discussion. It may be as bright as a spotlight on a squad car (and I hope it is). BMW is not giving us prices or accessories to talk about so why not?
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Welcome to the forum.

I think we're all agreed that we're going to have to wait for the real thing to get the answers to our numerous questions. BMW are short on detail. But guessing and arguing is giving us something to do in the meantime!

One thing I'd personally take issue with is your comment: ...'and will just run it with the high beams during the day'. Even though I'm a biker one thing that does annoy me is being blinded by oncoming bikes with mis-aimed lights or high beams on. Bikers get enough bad press without adopting habits that will piss off other drivers.

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Hi Kevin,
As far as high beams during daytime running, I usually run with my high beam on during bright sunny days. I have found that of the motors that I have owned, all of them have inadequate low beam(s) for daytime running in bright sunlight. That said, if light conditions are different, ie., darker, overcast, etc., I adjust to the low beam. However, I have never been flashed using my high beams on a bright sunny day. IMO, most stock headlight beams on motorcycles do not provide enough daytime lighting. As a result, I always add caliper mounted lights and try to upgrade the bulbs in the headlight. This combination has saved me many times.
Now my work motor was a different story. It was and still is a HD Electra Glide and while experimenting with running the high beam, I found that the high beam had a tendency to wash out the "red and blues".
Hopes this clarifies.
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Re: A Couple Of Things.....Weak(Narrow) Headlight?

Fluffy, daytime running lights are not high beams. All recent bikes have the low beam hard wired in to come on with the ignition, which in effect gives daytime running lights. But you do what you gotta do!

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Motorman, I agree with the extra running lights, caliper mounted or elsewhere. I've seen videos of some of these products which do a good job of drawing attention without blinding oncoming traffic. Some good reviews on Webbikeworld. As to driving all the time on high beam - just sayin'!

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Or is it only (presumed) negative comments that are not allowed?
The issue I see with a lot of the negative comments is that they are based solely on speculation ... whereas the positive comments are based on observation.
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You're kidding right? This entire subforum exists on a bike that is not available for riding yet.

Should we close it down until the bike comes out? Or is it only (presumed) negative comments that are not allowed?

Just askin'.
I'm glad you asked. We can discuss the facts and figures of the bike because they are in black and white in the spec sheet. However, trying to guess how effective or ineffective the new headlamp that no one has actually seen in action yet is pure speculation.

So, in answer to your question, no, I wasn't kidding.

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Hi Troop,
You are right, and as I mentioned in my post, we will have to wait to see how the light looks in real time. It was just an observation, just something for discussion. It may be as bright as a spotlight on a squad car (and I hope it is). BMW is not giving us prices or accessories to talk about so why not?
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Hi, Motorman.

Well, we can only hope that the new xenon headlamp is at least as effective as the other xenon lights out there. The experiences I've had with xenon headlamps have been all positive.

Stay safe, partner.

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The issue I see with a lot of the negative comments is that they are based solely on speculation
And also based on "I really really want one but don't think I can afford it, so I'm gonna look for any little negative I can find in the hope that my comfy old LT looks just a little bit better . . ."

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Well, we can only hope that the new xenon headlamp is at least as effective as the other xenon lights out there.
The stock lighting on the LT sucks. Always has.

The stock Xenon lighting on my GT rocks.

This is one area that BMW figured out, and fixed.

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The low beam on my 09 LT is OK at night and totaly blends in with traffic in the day.
I ride with Highs on durring the day for safety. Time will tell how effective the Adaptive Headlight is. It is a good idea and I hope that it self levels like the lights on my Lexus RX450h.
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The stock lighting on the LT sucks. Always has.

The stock Xenon lighting on my GT rocks.

This is one area that BMW figured out, and fixed.
That's great. Let's hope that it is even better on the new GT/L.
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The stock lighting on the LT sucks. Always has.

The stock Xenon lighting on my GT rocks.

This is one area that BMW figured out, and fixed.
Really? My 07 came with a Xenon light and it works pretty well. The high beam is a little weak, but the low-beam works fine. After adding PIAAs, I have plenty of light.

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My 07 came with a Xenon light and it works pretty well.
They improved the stock headlight on the '05 LTs by moving the high beam to a separate lens under the low beam, and later they added the Xenon low beam option. Both improvements are markedly better than the pathetic factory headlight on the '99-'04 LTs, but neither can compare to the factory Xenon headlight in my GT.

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And also based on "I really really want one but don't think I can afford it, so I'm gonna look for any little negative I can find in the hope that my comfy old LT looks just a little bit better . . ."
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Ken still owns all of his previous bikes. Who would want them after he's done with them?
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Ken still owns all of his previous bikes. Who would want them after he's done with them?
You ain't far off there, Joe . . .

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