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Scroll down and select the K1600GT or GTL and adjust it to your size and see how it will fit you.
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Re: Motorcycle ergonomics online! K16GT and GTL listed

IS THERE AN ECHO IN HERE?

Just thought the author of that site should get a little love. BMWLT.com member, "CGameProgrammer" wrote that utility. Cool stuff. Good job Ed.
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Re: Motorcycle ergonomics online! K16GT and GTL listed

I didn't see that one.. or maybe I did...: it should be in its own thread now that the K16 have been added.
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Re: Motorcycle ergonomics online! K16GT and GTL listed

I am 6'4". It looks like even the GT will have very comfy ergos for even us big guys.
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Re: Motorcycle ergonomics online! K16GT and GTL listed

In comparing the ergo's of the K1200LT and the GTL, it looks like your legs are swept back farther on the GTL... Not a good thing as I would rather have my feet be a bit more forward on the standard pegs. Just looks a bit cramped... but then this is an applet... Let's get the real thing within touchy-feely range and see what she feels like.

my $.02... and nice job on the applet...

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If you're gonna be sitting that straight-backed, Ron, you're gonna need a pretty damn comfortable seat.

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If you're gonna be sitting that straight-backed, Ron, you're gonna need a pretty damn comfortable seat.
A lot of guys swear by the Mayer brothers, Rick or Bill. Just a friendly suggestion. Hope this helps.
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A lot of guys swear by the Mayer brothers, Rick or Bill. Just a friendly suggestion. Hope this helps.
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If you're gonna be sitting that straight-backed, Ron, you're gonna need a pretty damn comfortable seat.
I have never owned a BMW without going into the aftermarket for a seat. I have owned Rick, Bill, and Russell seats. I am sure that will be my first farkle when I drag one of these 1600GT's home.
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I have never owned a BMW without going into the aftermarket for a seat. I have owned Rick, Bill, and Russell seats. I am sure that will be my first farkle when I drag one of these 1600GT's home.
No doubt. I have Russell on my speed dial list.

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I am sure that will be my first farkle when I drag one of these 1600GT's home.
Better be careful ... that 1600 might be the one doing the dragging.
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I'll have to wait until I se one in real life. BTW would be nice if program had both height and inseam. I want to know how tight my knees will be bent and if they'll be into the plastic. One reason I bought the LT over others was "leg room" for my 36" inseam.

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I'll have to wait until I se one in real life. BTW would be nice if program had both height and inseam. I want to know how tight my knees will be bent and if they'll be into the plastic. One reason I bought the LT over others was "leg room" for my 36" inseam.
Many people have asked for inseam so I'll add that in tonight. The sim can't really estimate how "into the plastic" your legs would be though because it doesn't model width. It's just useful for comparison purposes; you can compare knee angle on the LT to knee angle on whatever else to estimate how much better or worse the other bikes would be.
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Many people have asked for inseam so I'll add that in tonight. The sim can't really estimate how "into the plastic" your legs would be though because it doesn't model width. It's just useful for comparison purposes; you can compare knee angle on the LT to knee angle on whatever else to estimate how much better or worse the other bikes would be.
Ed thanks for all the work on the Sim. Is there a way to show what you would look like with your feet on the ground also? I know the width of the bike will come into play but can you still do it?

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Ed thanks for all the work on the Sim. Is there a way to show what you would look like with your feet on the ground also? I know the width of the bike will come into play but can you still do it?
This is another thing many people have requested. I am 5'6 so I understand its relevance, but that would be impossible to do accurately. I do plan on attempting it anyway this weekend. The problem is ground reach is determined by not just seat height but also suspension compression, seat width, seat shape (dished seats like what many cruisers have or Russell seats compromise ground clearance), the thickness of your legs, the boots you're wearing, and even the pants you're wearing to an extent.

Still, I'll try to come up with something roughly effective enough for comparison purposes.
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Think I'll give 'em a call, thanks!
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That is the handiest little link!! Thanks for sharing it!

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Oh, wait a minute - my bad.

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It looks like the Cycle Ergo site has been noticed by The Kneeslider, a popular motorcycle blog.

The article is here.

Nice job there, Ed.

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The website's been modified so by default the images are centered on the rear wheel instead of the seat. This makes comparing motorcycles much easier because you'll no longer see the entire bike shift when switching between bikes with different seat heights.

So now you can compare the K1600GT with the K1600GTL and see much more easily the exact differences between them.
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I'm obviously missing something in my interpretation of the knee bend angles quoted on the ergonomics site. Wouldn't a 100 degree angle of knee bend be more open (less cramped) than, say, a 96 degree angle? If so, how can the knee angle of the K1200GT be 100' and that of the K1600GTL be 96'? That is, how can my knee be less bent on my K1200GT than it is on the new GTL?

After having finally sat on the GTL yesterday, the GTL (and K1600GT as well) certainly feels more open in my knee bend than my K1200GT feels. And while I was at the dealership I used a tape measure to compare the distance between the pegs and the lowest point of the seat on the K1600GT and the K1300GT they have on the floor beside it. With both seats set at the lowest position, the distance between the seat and pegs of the K1600GT is a whole two inches longer than that of the K1300GT. That significant difference is certainly not going to make for a tighter knee bend on the 1600GT, which the site claims has a knee bend of 91' while it claims the 1300GT has one of 98.

Even the comparison between the K1600GT (91') and the GTL (96') seems counterintuitive.

How am I reading these figures incorrectly? How can 91' be less knee bend than 100'?

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Re: Motorcycle ergonomics online! K16GT and GTL listed

Dave,

What were the actual seat to pedal distances on the K1600GT & K1600GTL? Just curious as I sat on both myself today for the first time and was amazed at how different they've made the 2 models feel.

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Knee bend is the opposite of knee angle, in that a value of 0 means your legs are perfectly straight. It's 180 - angle. Originally I reported the actual angle, then some people requested the opposite - I forget exactly but it might have been athritic people who knew the amount of bend they were supposed not to exceed. But I agree it is a bit confusing and a number of people have complained about it so I'll switch it back later today.

So the site is saying your knee angle with the 1600 is 89 degrees and your angle on the 1300GT is 82 degrees.
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I'm afraid I didn't take the measuring tape over to the GTL, Kevin. My "feel" for it, however, was that the GTL was, not surprisingly, slightly more "open" (requiring less knee bend) than the K1600GT. I was so taken by the contrast between my bike and the K1600GT, that any extra openness that the GTL might provide seemed to suddenly be of no consequence.

With the advance through my mid-60s, the knee bend that the K1200GT forces me into has become a problem over the three years of my ownership of the bike, so I was naturally interested when I read of the lower and more forward position of the GTL pegs. I hadn't anticipated that there'd be almost as much of a change in the set-up of the 1600GT, so now my interest has shifted to that bike rather than the GTL -- given that (a) almost all of my riding will be one-up and (b) I don't really want all of the bells and whistles of the GTL and (c) I also feel that its trunk is an eyesore and (d) I worry that the GTL trunk may, under certain wind conditons, influence the bike's handling just as badly as I found the large trunk to do to the handling of the K1200GT.

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Thanks Dave. What distance did you get for the GT? I'd like to compare to my LT.

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Mind you, this was far from a scientific exercise, Kevin. Still, it's hard to see what I could have done wrong, notwithstanding that the showroom was jam-packed with people and it was all a bit distracting.

(It just now occurs to me that one factor that may have thrown off the fairness of the measurement was the fact that the K1300GT was on its centerstand and the K1600GT was on its sidestand.... ??? Okay, no, I can't imagine how that would effect the distance between the pegs and the low point of the seat.)

The distance was 19 inches on the 1300GT and 21 inches on the on the 1600GT. I was told that both seats were set at the lowest point adjustment, but that too may be open to question.

I'm sure there must be more reliable sources of measurement than me and a borrowed carpenter's tape measure in the midst of a very busy showroom. Still, I do plan to take my own tape with me the next time I visit the dealership, once they have the 1600s on site permanently. (The models they had there yesterday were rotating through the Ontario dealerships and were probably back in the truck by this morning.)

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Did you see my post yet? I already explained that the knee is indeed less bent on the K1600GT than it is on the K1300GT. The knee angle for you on the K1600GT is 89 degrees versus 82 degrees on the K1300GT.
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Yes, I saw that, C. Thanks. (And that would now be in line with the different measurements I mentioned in my last post.) Seven degrees of separation is nothing for Kevin Bacon, or me, to sneeze at.

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I put a tape on my LT this morning and got 18.5 inches. I have a Corbin seat which is pretty low and I have always noticed that I'm folded to an uncomfortable degree (I sometimes get a pain like my hip ball is going to pop out and I have to stop and straighten my leg, sometimes even get off and take a few steps to get rid of the spasm). It'll be a GT or a GTL with a high seat option for me if I change.

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