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just got back from intermot show in cologne. new 1600 gt is great, pls allow to introduce myself on my future beauty. available march 2011. price not known yet.


















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So what did it feel like? Comfy ergos?

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So what did it feel like? Comfy ergos?
very comfy, lots of space compared to 2010rt which is a bit cramped especially for 2-up. more comfy than the k1200/1300 - had 2 of those as well. angle of the legs is better also handlebar reach. does not seem to have any bars adjustment as the former k but for me is perfect - 1.85m tall, 32" inseam

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I might buy one if the two lovelies come with it.

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I also have a GT or GTL on order I get first pick at my dealer when they arive.
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I think it looks very much like Johnny Five from "Short Circuit".
OK, who's gonna get JOHNNY5 for a license plate?

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I'm gonna take THIS model... or better, THESE models:




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JOHNNY5? Of course not!

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I did not realize it has to be ridden side saddle...another first for BMW!!!

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Did they talk about or did you notice where one plugs in the heated clothing? Here in Canada this is a must to extend the riding season as well as keeping the SO happy. I did not notice anything integrated like on the LT. Having it integrated is so much nicer then just running connections up between the seat.

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If you where a short skirt, yes you do.

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Well I think the implication is that "If you had one of these , you could have one of these". Jus sayin


Personally I ain't buying it. But it makes for good sales schtick.

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Did they talk about or did you notice where one plugs in the heated clothing? Here in Canada this is a must to extend the riding season as well as keeping the SO happy. I did not notice anything integrated like on the LT. Having it integrated is so much nicer then just running connections up between the seat.
The GTL shown at Jay Leno's Garage had a socket at the top of the rider's right interior fairing panel. I have to believe, based on BMW's consistently providing rear outlet mounting flats on the rear of most all the bikes since the '98/'99 LT, there will be provisions for sockets on the GT and GTL.

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Well I think the implication is that "If you had one of these , you could have one of these". Jus sayin


Personally I ain't buying it. But it makes for good sales schtick.
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there may be a problem with it as power generator on the new k1600 seems to be weaker than before.

Alternator Output

13GT = 945w
16GT = 580w
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there may be a problem with it as power generator on the new k1600 seems to be weaker than before.

Alternator Output

13GT = 945w
16GT = 580w
12RT = 720w
Which I find very surprising. Even with the savings afforded by Xenon and LED lighting, the K1600GT seems a couple of hundred shy. Two sets of Gerbings or equivilent would use 250-300 of the available.

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there may be a problem with it as power generator on the new k1600 seems to be weaker than before.

Alternator Output

13GT = 945w
16GT = 580w
12RT = 720w
I noticed that too, but perhaps they are using more LED's or other ways to reduce the power consumption so there could be as much available for add on accessories as the RT, GT or LT. It is a good question/concern.

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Alternator Output

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16GT = 580w
12RT = 720w
At first glance, I have to wonder if that spec is correct. But on second thought, with the use of LEDs and CanBus, do we need a huge alternator anymore? Hhmmn...
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there may be a problem with it as power generator on the new k1600 seems to be weaker than before.

Alternator Output

13GT = 945w
16GT = 580w
12RT = 720w
Good lord! How much excess power do we need??

Low alternator output is the 180W on my wife's /5 -- 580W is nearly 60 Amps! This is more than enough to power everything on the bike, including rider and passenger heated clothing.

Suggesting that the owning/driving of the K16 may be compromised or unsatisfactory because you only have 580W instead of 720W is like saying that you might not enjoy driving a Corvette because it has a 5.7L engine instead of a 6.2L engine.

Let's focus on real issues, not meaningless tech sheet differences -- like: why only two colors for the GTL?!?!

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I can tell you that the 5.3 in my suburban is way underpowered for that vehicle.

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Good lord! How much excess power do we need??

Low alternator output is the 180W on my wife's /5 -- 580W is nearly 60 Amps! This is more than enough to power everything on the bike, including rider and passenger heated clothing.

Suggesting that the owning/driving of the K16 may be compromised or unsatisfactory because you only have 580W instead of 720W is like saying that you might not enjoy driving a Corvette because it has a 5.7L engine instead of a 6.2L engine.

Let's focus on real issues, not meaningless tech sheet differences -- like: why only two colors for the GTL?!?!

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Good lord! How much excess power do we need??

-- 580W is nearly 60 Amps!
How did you figure 60? Amps = Watts/Volts, right?

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Let's focus on real issues, not meaningless tech sheet differences -- like: why only two colors for the GTL?!?! [/QUOTE]

The blue is nice, but why not include a red one color for the GTL. ???????

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Good lord! How much excess power do we need??
All of it, of course.

Seriously, lower alternator output is an issue for many of us.

I'm currently running 140W in aux HIDs, 135W in heated jacket/pants, 70W in fog lights, and a few more watts in my gps/phone/intercom setup. Sure, the fog lights can be off when the HIDs are on but otherwise, I do have all of that running at once. So I need 300W spare capacity just to get by on those dark, cold, and lonely nights.

And that's just solo. Add another 135W for passenger heated gear, and we definitely have a problem here . . .

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5kw would be about right for my ham transceiver and linear amp !



I wonder if we will find out that in about 6 months, for a small software code upgrade fee, say $1500 or so, you can upgrade the alternator output to 900 watts

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I wonder if we will find out that in about 6 months, for a small software code upgrade fee, say $1500 or so, you can upgrade the alternator output to 900 watts
Nah, alternator output is a mechanical thing, not a software thing. I figure maybe they went with a physically smaller alternator squeezed up behind that big ol' Slant/6, which simply means a lower output wattage.

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May be BMW will have their own version of the screaming eagle program and have an upgrade. The Spinning Propeller program.

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Nah, alternator output is a mechanical thing, not a software thing. I figure maybe they went with a physically smaller alternator squeezed up behind that big ol' Slant/6, which simply means a lower output wattage.

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Great pics. Is that a light gray color or white? Or Polar Metallic like the R2300RT color? Hard to tell in the photos under the lights. I am hoping it is more of a gray color.
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Great pics. Is that a light gray color or white?
From the offical BMW Press Release:

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In the K 1600 GT, the body colours of Light Grey metallic and Vermilion Red metallic create a fascinating contrast with the frame and wheels in Ostra Grey and the engine in Platinum metallic matt. The colouring especially highlights the bike's technical components. The lines are concentrated and give the motorcycle a marked sense of agility.

With its emphasis on comfort and equipment, the K 1600 GTL has a powerful presence and elegance with elongated lines. This was achieved by means of a harmonious interaction between body colours and the colouring of the engine and chassis components. Here, Mineral Silver metallic or Royal Blue metallic 2 provide a perfect match for the Magnesium metallic matt of the painted frame and wheels. The engine in Platinum metallic matt ensures an appealing overall impression.

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No red for the GTL :-(

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Michael,

Mark just figured a little too quick 580W running a 12V system if 48.3 amp - your formula is correct - he may have been referring the the 720W which is 60amp.

Heated clothing with add on lighting riding 2 up should be okay assuming you are using some of the new heated gear and HID lighting systems.

Gerbings new Micro-wire clothes are a follows:
77W - Heavy Duty Jacket or Sleeved Liner
44W - Pants
27W - Gloves
15W - Insoles
163W Total

Assuming with the protection the bike offers most people will only be using the jacket so with two riders aboard that is 154W. Typical HID's are anywhere from 35W to 55W. So typical total large load is ~190 to 210W before the Iron Butters add on all the AUX lighting!! And this will reduce slightly after the initial in rush of power to start the heating system and get you warm.

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Mark just figured a little too quick 580W running a 12V system if 48.3 amp - your formula is correct - he may have been referring the the 720W which is 60amp.------------------------
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Actually, alternator output is figured at the alternator output voltage, which is around 13.5 volts. At that voltage, 580 watts is only 43 amps.

Of course it is not that much lower than the LT, which is 640 watts.

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Actually, alternator output is figured at the alternator output voltage, which is around 13.5 volts. At that voltage, 580 watts is only 43 amps.

Of course it is not that much lower than the LT, which is 640 watts.
True but we do not know the reserve juice. I posted this lack of juice on day 1 when reviewing the spec sheet... Without others noting..
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Thanks for the information about the color. Good to hear it is gray and not white. Looks great!. How big did it feel sitting on it in comparison to say an R1200RT? Does it look like it will offer equal or greater wind/weather protection?
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tank was narrower i think compared with the rt, bigger than the gt one. ergo was more like the rt, more upright. overall big, massive bike feeling. i had better protection on the gt with aeroflow screen and winglets than on the stock rt so i'm sure there won't be an issue in this respect with the new gt. plenty of space, very comfy. i feel the rt a bit short, gt was ok, 16gt may be a bit too long, need to be tested inside city and on twisy roads. actualy i won't buy a gold wing or gw clone.

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Mark just figured a little too quick 580W running a 12V system if 48.3 amp - your formula is correct - he may have been referring the the 720W which is 60amp.
Nope - just a slip of the fingers: it should have said nearly 50 amps. Even if you assume 13.5V, it's nearly 45 amps -- plenty for all 99.9% of the normal riders out there (that will, of course, exclude the super-human Mr. Meese ).

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tank was narrower i think compared with the rt, bigger than the gt one. ergo was more like the rt, more upright. overall big, massive bike feeling. i had better protection on the gt with aeroflow screen and winglets than on the stock rt so i'm sure there won't be an issue in this respect with the new gt. plenty of space, very comfy. i feel the rt a bit short, gt was ok, 16gt may be a bit too long, need to be tested inside city and on twisy roads. actualy i won't buy a gold wing or gw clone.
Thank you for your thoughts comparing the new K1600 show floor model with the R1200RT. My impression was also that there would be plenty of wind/weather protection but also wonder about overall length and whether it will still have the "flickability" of an RT or be nimble enough in city traffic. I too would never buy anything close to a Goldwing or LT for that matter in terms of performance. If only they had placed the headlamp cluster on the new R1200RT...
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If only they had placed the headlamp cluster on the new R1200RT...
The 2010 RT was a mid-life face-lift on the current generation RT. It shouldn't be too many years before the next generation RT is released (and with that schedule, it must be under development now).

Ya gotta wonder whether the halo lamps will become a "family DNA" feature of future designs ...

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The 2010 RT was a mid-life face-lift on the current generation RT. It shouldn't be too many years before the next generation RT is released (and with that schedule, it must be under development now).

Ya gotta wonder whether the halo lamps will become a "family DNA" feature of future designs ...
Supposedly the next boxer configuration will be liquid cooled and is in development and testing right now. Who knows.. I read this on moto-station.com saying the liquid boxer's release is aimed around 2013.
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yes that is correct. also 2 maxi scooters are ready now, 650 cc, 2 cylinders, lots of gadgets. however, i don't think the boxer engine will ever need water cooling, temparature is stable as is now, oil cooled, also there is the possibility of adding a fan, same as police models. 2010 with new engine is a great bike, you should test it, much different, no vibration, lots of torque, much smoother.

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The 2010 RT was a mid-life face-lift on the current generation RT. It shouldn't be too many years before the next generation RT is released (and with that schedule, it must be under development now).

Ya gotta wonder whether the halo lamps will become a "family DNA" feature of future designs ...
Agreed! I was thinking and hoping along the same lines.
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i don't think the boxer engine will ever need water cooling
Not according to the BMW engine design head -- in an interview his comments were along the lines that liquid cooling will be required to meet the upcoming rounds of EU noise and emissions limits.

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Not according to the BMW engine design head -- in an interview his comments were along the lines that liquid cooling will be required to meet the upcoming rounds of EU noise and emissions limits.
moto-station.com reports the liquid cooled boxer is being tested now and they speculated it will be introduced in 2012 or 2013. we shall see.

there's also another rumor that a K800 triple is in the works using half the engine and sharing some parts from the K1600 engine. That would make sense, drop the F800ST and replace it with a K800RT. The K75 was a very good seller for BMW and they do need a middle weight tourer in the lineup.
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The HP2 bikes use a liquid-cooled boxer engine. Anyway I have also heard the rumor about 800cc triples designed to replace the entire F series of parallel twins.
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The HP2 bikes use a liquid-cooled boxer engine. Anyway I have also heard the rumor about 800cc triples designed to replace the entire F series of parallel twins.
man we are talking motorcycles here not lawn mowers. there is no such thing as water colled hp2, unless you are referring to oil as "liquid".
you may refer to the briggs engine:
http://www.briggsandstratton.com/eng...FCE78B92C.ashx

pls check:
http://bikeadviceusa.com/2010-bmw-hp2-sport-motorcycle/

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