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What will the new GTL COST?

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well, I dunno, but my local dealer has an intersting point of view.

He pointed to a 1300GT on floor with msrp of 23k.. He said, you add the price of the RT audio ( 1300) and a GT top case ( another 1000) then figure 1000 or so ( or more) for the 6 cyl, he guesses MSRP will start at 26k or higher. His added, that if Honda has msrp on Wings at 26 K and above, BMW probably believes their bikes are "worth" that or better.

I'd expect MSRP on GTLs to be in the 25,900- 29,900 range, which is pretty much MSRP for a airbagged/navi/abs /audiio'ed GoldWing.....depending on options & entirely on what ever the hell BMW choses to price them at.

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I expect the GTL to be about $4000 more than the GT, possibly less. But it's conjecture at this point; manufacturers usually take a while to release pricing information, and when they do it's initially just for Europe, with the US price coming out even later.

It's obviously somewhere between $20k and $30k so no point in speculating further until it's announced.
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The K1600 GT, which is made more for solo touring and performance handling, is a direct replacement in the BMW lineup for the K1300 GT. But the GTL model, with full touring kit including trunk, and a cushier suspension and riding position, is considered by BMW to be a completely new kind of touring bike. “A top tourer,” said Pieter de Wall, vice president of BMW Motorrad U.S.A. “But not a sofa on wheels.”

The K1600s features many other innovations, including an adaptive xenon headlight, which works with the bike’s electronics systems, to detect lean, pitch and body angle and to aim the headlight precisely and continuously relative to the road ahead, no matter how curvy. The effect of its bright, symmetrical headlights (with automotive style “corona rings”) give it the appearance, going down the road, of an angry owl.

The K1600s has a multifunction controller, almost like a motorcycling version of the iDrive system found in BMW’s four-wheel vehicles, to access settings for the bike’s many features. It comes with Bluetooth connectivity for devices like phones and music players. An optional Garmin-sourced navigation system is removable, for use as a hand-held, or on another bike.

The bike, which was not made available for test rides at this event, will hit the market next spring at a price that “has yet to be determined,” Mr. de Waal said. “But I think you will be pleasantly surprised at how reasonable the price is, relative to the technology being offered.”

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I love being "pleasantly surprised" when it comes to price!

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I am guessing around $22K for a stripped model if there is such a thing and around $25k for a loaded one.

Someone asked about weight. Read somewhere the GTL will be about 750 lbs with top and side cases.

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I am guessing around $22K for a stripped model if there is such a thing and around $25k for a loaded one.

Someone asked about weight. Read somewhere the GTL will be about 750 lbs with top and side cases.

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Motorcycle news says £19,500 for the GTL and £16,000 for the GT.
GTL seat Height is 750 mm ; GT 805mm.
GTL also has a larger tank 26.5 litres against 24.


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remember, the S1000RR came in at the ridiculously LOW price of under $14,000 fully-loaded, including speed shifter and all of the goodies, and it has more electronics than any supersport bike for twice its price

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Motorcycle news says £19,500 for the GTL and £16,000 for the GT.
GTL seat Height is 750 mm ; GT 805mm.
GTL also has a larger tank 26.5 litres against 24.
Ouch!:
http://finance.yahoo.com/currency-co...=USD;amt=19500

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Different prices on different markets - Always the same story. Hard to extrapolate from one market to the other. It is also relative to the competition and the judgment on what one can ask. Compare the prices in UK, USA, Norway, and Germany for example. Also depending on VAT and tax systems.
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Motorcycle news says £19,500 for the GTL and £16,000 for the GT.
GTL seat Height is 750 mm ; GT 805mm.
GTL also has a larger tank 26.5 litres against 24.
£19,500 converts to $30,981 U.S.

That may include Britain's VAT, but I do not know.

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It doesn't work that way. You have to check the UK price of other BMW models and extrapolate. A bare-bones K1300GT is 13200 GBP including VAT or 11k without it. Assuming the MCN prices include VAT then the K1600GT is 21% more than the K1300GT; if they don't include VAT then it's 45% more.

In the US the K1300GT starts at $19k so the K1600GT would be $23k hopefully, or $27.5k worst-case. Of course this assumes MCN isn't making shit up.

Of course I'm comparing the GT. The GTL would end up being around $30k.
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Look at it this way.
If he price were $10K US, would you buy it? At that price it's too much to pay just for the hell of having one but certainly way below what you'd expect to pay. Would you sell whatever you're riding now just to get into the 1600 (either model) for $10K. If the answer is "yes", then consider the old joke about the guy who asked the woman if she'd bed him for a million. "Yes" was the answer. He then asked if she'd do it for $2.00. "No, what do you think I am?" He replied, "We've already established what you are, we're just negotiating the price." So if the answer is yes, you'd sell yours and buy this for $10K, we've established that you'd rather have the 1600 than your bike. If that's the case, don't worry about the cost, go for it. You'll find a way. I'm certainly going to try...I know what I am.
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I believe it was Churchill that made that quote. As far as cost, we all have our limits. I have mine. 22k OTD for any bike is it. After that, zie mir gezunt!.

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If he price were $10K US, would you buy it? At that price it's too much to pay just for the hell of having one but certainly way below what you'd expect to pay. Would you sell whatever you're riding now just to get into the 1600 (either model) for $10K. If the answer is "yes", then consider the old joke about the guy who asked the woman if she'd bed him for a million. "Yes" was the answer. He then asked if she'd do it for $2.00. "No, what do you think I am?" He replied, "We've already established what you are, we're just negotiating the price." So if the answer is yes, you'd sell yours and buy this for $10K, we've established that you'd rather have the 1600 than your bike. If that's the case, don't worry about the cost, go for it. You'll find a way. I'm certainly going to try...I know what I am.

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My dealer here in NJ thinks in the $24 - $25 range.
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Just my opinion, with the dollar weakening and no attempt to keep it strong (so US exports will be cheaper overseas), I would be surprised if the price weren't $5,000 more than it would be given a different economy. I hope not because it would be nice to be able to afford it.

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According to the big BMW honcho, it will be "surprisingly affordable for the level of technology offered."

Yeah, I don't know exactly what that means, either.

Doesn't really matter though. Bikes are a priority for me, especially since I don't own a car.

So I'll see it, then ride it, then decide if it's worth whatever they happen to be asking for it.

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Apparently this will be the pricing in Norway.

However I must say that pricing on everything, and thats not only on things that run on petrol, is ridicilous here:

GT 313.800,-
GLT 326.800,-

divided by the current exchange for USD: 5.8291

GT: 53833,35
GTL: 56063,54

However in comparison a brand new 2010 K 1300 GT is 46113,47

(Average monthly salary for ALL emplyees in this country is [for giving a idea of economical level (idiotic phrase well well)] is

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Is that with tax? Seems a bit over the top. That's double the US price and they bike doesn't have to be shipped nearly as far.

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Apparently this will be the pricing in Norway.

However I must say that pricing on everything, and thats not only on things that run on petrol, is ridicilous here:

GT 313.800,-
GLT 326.800,-

divided by the current exchange for USD: 5.8291

GT: 53833,35
GTL: 56063,54

However in comparison a brand new 2010 K 1300 GT is 46113,47

(Average monthly salary for ALL emplyees in this country is [for giving a idea of economical level (idiotic phrase well well)] is

6038,67 USD

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Is that with tax? Seems a bit over the top. That's double the US price and they bike doesn't have to be shipped nearly as far.
I wouldn't try to compare Norwegian pricing to what US pricing will be. I've got a Foreign Exchange student living with me who is from Norway. Based on his stories, items are very expensive in Norway. He bought a pair of shoes here for $50 that he told me would have cost about $200 at home.

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The products themselves cost no more, but the taxes and tariffs put on them push the prices up. It's the same in a lot of socialist countries. Look at gas prices. The higher prices in Europe are reflective of the taxes they pay, a barrel of oil cost them the same.

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I got to ride and and see/feel for myself. I could take the plunge but have to be wowed. The more I ride my RT the more I love it.
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Just spoke to the Dealer here in Austin & the best info they have shows a fully loaded K1600GTL will come in around $29,500.00. That is GPS , intercom ,Central locking, adaptive headlight & anything else you can think of.

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Well, I guess I won't be getting one. I can buy a car for that and a halfway decent one. Someone needs to tell BMW we're in a recession, regardless of the F'ing wizardry they offer.

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UPDATE

Just spoke to the Dealer here in Austin & the best info they have shows a fully loaded K1600GTL will come in around $29,500.00. That is GPS , intercom ,Central locking, adaptive headlight & anything else you can think of.
That would not surprise me. It will be interesting to see if they package the good stuff. I could care less about the adaptive headlights and central locking, but the Nav would be a must.

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Well, I guess I won't be getting one. I can buy a car for that and a halfway decent one. Someone needs to tell BMW we're in a recession, regardless of the F'ing wizardry they offer.
I understand your point, but then again nobody is holding a gun to your head. Read last months Motor Trend Magazine. A $35,000 Mustang GT ran a race track at an almost identical time as a $70,000 M3. But there are plenty of folks willing on paying the 2x for the BMW.

If the new 1600s are as good as they sound, they might be worth it. My 09 loaded (except air bag) Goldwing listed for over $24,000, and I don't even like the bike all that much. But there are not many options for a two-up touring bike with it's capabilities. Spending a few thousand more for the new BMW isn't going to be an issue of whether I think it's worth it to me, I just need to have a half way decent year at work next year.

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My limit is 22K. Is that is too little, so be it. FWIW, I have drive the new mustang, and it's worth every penny. I could buy one for not much more than this new bike...I like BMW, but at some point they have to compete in hard times too. It's funny, I have always thought that BMW was or is a superior product and took razzing from friends as they would say BMW riders are snobs. I haven't found that, but the mother company may be. As much as I would like one, if it's too expensive, it won't happen. It's like the flip side of the HD coin. As far as work, we have a salary freeze for another 20 months.

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I understand your point, but then again nobody is holding a gun to your head. Read last months Motor Trend Magazine. A $35,000 Mustang GT ran a race track at an almost identical time as a $70,000 M3. But there are plenty of folks willing on paying the 2x for the BMW.

If the new 1600s are as good as they sound, they might be worth it. My 09 loaded (except air bag) Goldwing listed for over $24,000, and I don't even like the bike all that much. But there are not many options for a two-up touring bike with it's capabilities. Spending a few thousand more for the new BMW isn't going to be an issue of whether I think it's worth it to me, I just need to have a half way decent year at work next year.

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My limit is 22K. Is that is too little, so be it. FWIW, I have drive the new mustang, and it's worth every penny. I could buy one for not much more than this new bike...I like BMW, but at some point they have to compete in hard times too. It's funny, I have always thought that BMW was or is a superior product and took razzing from friends as they would say BMW riders are snobs. I haven't found that, but the mother company may be. As much as I would like one, if it's too expensive, it won't happen. It's like the flip side of the HD coin. As far as work, we have a salary freeze for another 20 months.
I can clearly see your point - please understand. I've been a HUGE car nut for 45 years, and into Motorcycles in a big way for nearly 40. I have pissed away big sums of money on both (and don't even get me started on boats!). Yet I've never been able to come to grips with a BMW car or motorcycle. My current daily driver is a 2010 Lexus GS350, and my weekend car is a Z06 Corvette.

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The products themselves cost no more, but the taxes and tariffs put on them push the prices up. It's the same in a lot of socialist countries.
That is simply incorrect.

Things like consumer electronics sell at about a 50% premium over US prices in the UK. Even taking out the 17% VAT (and the roughly 10% US taxes), there's still a third markup on the base price over the US suggested retail.

Yes, high local taxes do affect the final price, but there is simply more at work than just that.

As for BMW and the K16, they'll price it at what they think is best based on the local sales region. And individuals will weigh the pros and cons and price and decide whether it's worth it to them or not at the advertised price.

Just the same as with any other consumer item . . .

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