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[email protected]@L! Good find.

This article and those pics are going to make a LOT of current LT owners VERY unhappy.
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I like a great deal of what I see and read so far.

I do wonder how they'll manage heat on this bike. Between the frame bits and exposed engine, there's potential for a lot of that to get on the rider's legs.

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Do you suppose it'll be better to run dino or synthetic in this bike?

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I'm not a fan of the throttle wire system. Adds several more possible failure points.
Toyota has had a lot of problems with this.

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I'm not a fan of the throttle wire system. Adds several more possible failure points.
Toyota has had a lot of problems with this.
And the Chevrolet Corvette has had none. Done right, it eliminates a possible failure point, namely, the throttle cables.

I still want to know how much it weighs.

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I'm not a fan of the throttle wire system. Adds several more possible failure points.
Toyota has allegedly had a lot of problems with this.
Fixed for ya ;-)

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I like a great deal of what I see and read so far.

I do wonder how they'll manage heat on this bike. Between the frame bits and exposed engine, there's potential for a lot of that to get on the rider's legs.
Todd,
I was looking at the pics for where the radiator(s) exhaust the heat, but couldn't quite make it out. However, while it doesn't have the extensive tupperweare as the LT does, it does look like there are body panels in front of the rider's knees that go down to the tops of the feet, so I'm not thinking that heat on the rider will be much of an issue. Time and rides will tell for certain.

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Throttle cables seldom cause a problem. And they're a easy fix . Sometimes simplicity is best.



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Todd,
I was looking at the pics for where the radiator(s) exhaust the heat, but couldn't quite make it out. However, while it doesn't have the extensive tupperweare as the LT does, it does look like there are body panels in front of the rider's knees that go down to the tops of the feet, so I'm not thinking that heat on the rider will be much of an issue. Time and rides will tell for certain.
I imagine you're right. I do know that on my Gen II FJR, the heat management is worlds better than the Gen I's but that exposed frame does get a bit warm. I can't tell from looking if the frame is covered with plastic panels or if that's metal?

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And the Chevrolet Corvette has had none. Done right, it eliminates a possible failure point, namely, the throttle cables.

I still want to know how much it weighs.
+1 on the throttle by wire -- both my '04 and '08 Corvettes have had zero issues.

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If a picture is worth a thousand words, a video must be worth at least a million, eh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7VWr67S9DM

Incidentally, the above link is NOT the same video as somebody else posted today. This one features many of the bells/whistles. Very nice.
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Throttle cables seldom cause a problem. And they're a easy fix . Sometimes simplicity is best.
You've obviously never had one break in the middle of nowhere. I have.

And they're NOT an "easy fix" unless you happen to have a spare cable in your back pocket.

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+1 on the throttle by wire -- both my '04 and '08 Corvettes have had zero issues.

709 lbs w/o bags and trunk; 765 lbs with luggage and 90% fuel.
Thanks for the weights!

They don't seem too bad if the new bike "wears" the extra weight well. I guess it's going to take a test ride to know for sure.

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Thanks for the great video link. My initial impression after reading everything, seeing the photos and the video - I'm impressed and I want one. Now the hard part - how much will it cost? I love my 05 LT even with 84K miles on the clock and there is no logical reason to trade her nor will I get what she's worth. But then there is no logical reason to ride motorcycles. I'm not going to look at any of the new post or pictures again and am definitely not going to look at one when they arrive at the dealers. Honest!! What is it that makes a grown man, who some might dare refer to as a senior citizen, act like a teenager in heat? Could it be a new K1600 GT/L?????????

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Unfortunately the new 1600 is sheer porn, for me . I don't yet know how, but I'm getting one of those ) .
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Looks like the electric stand is gone. With the size of those side bags there better be some sort of good engine/bike fall over protection. If not, people will be purchasing new side bags at a fast clip.

Also, as someone stated long before, the blinker switches are changed to the universal ones. I wonder if there is a turn canceling feature like on the Hondas.

Any idea if those strips along the side of the front wheel well are actually lights - or are they just reflectors? (Got the answer - they're blinkers)

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Looks like the electric stand is gone. With the size of those side bags there better be some sort of good engine/bike fall over protection. If not, people will be purchasing new side bags at a fast clip.
The website shows small crash bars for the engine -- mount just forward of the cylinder bank. No rear protection shown yet.

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Any idea if those strips along the side of the front wheel well are actually lights - or are they just reflectors?
Those are the turn signals -- strips of yellow LED lights.

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It appears that those (IMO, fugly) chrome blobs beneath the ends of the dash may be useful after all -- I believe one of the pics I saw showed that they are pivoting air deflectors -- same purpose as the K12LT under mirror wings, except they appear to pivot outward to catch air and channel it in/up toward the rider.

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Attempted translation from Italian:

Seat heights of 29.5", 30.7" and 31.9"

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Looks like the electric stand is gone. With the size of those side bags there better be some sort of good engine/bike fall over protection. If not, people will be purchasing new side bags at a fast clip.
My hope is that with the lower seat height that tip over will be less of an issue. I never dumped my FJR.

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If you are comparing the bike to an LT, reverse is also gone. That is a very nice feature to have when you are fully loaded with a passenger.
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I'm not a fan of the throttle wire system. Adds several more possible failure points.
Toyota has had a lot of problems with this.
No, they have not. Not ever. They had a problem with a mechanical part of the gas pedal getting stuck under certain conditions and they had a problem with gas pedals getting stuck when owners used more than one floormat (or incorreclty installed mats), but there has never been a single documented instance of a problem with the throttle by wire system.
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Subjective comment .... But that is one UGLY Instrument / Dash board area

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Looks like the electric stand is gone. With the size of those side bags there better be some sort of good engine/bike fall over protection. If not, people will be purchasing new side bags at a fast clip.

Also, as someone stated long before, the blinker switches are changed to the universal ones. I wonder if there is a turn canceling feature like on the Hondas.

Any idea if those strips along the side of the front wheel well are actually lights - or are they just reflectors? (Got the answer - they're blinkers)

Dutchman- thanks for the picture link!

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I've been watching those Hi-Res pics and the videos all day now... that's what I'm thinking right now:
  1. I absolutely LOVE it. Great styling, IMO, distinctive and technological.
  2. I loved everything I saw in the tech specs department: engine, power, torque and all the amazing gadgets. Typical BMW.
  3. Yes, it's a pimped up GT and NOT an LT replacement. But - if the riding is as comfortable as the LT and the wind protection too - I will love to go to a more sporty bike. Only a real test will tell me if I like it or not, so I guess I'll suspend judgement till I can ride one.

All the other things you wrote are true, but I actually don't care much about weight, reverse gear, electric centerstand and all the other things that the GTL seems to miss when compared to the LT: the only thing that matters to me is the riding comfort.

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All the other things you wrote are true, but I actually don't care much about weight, reverse gear, electric centerstand and all the other things that the GTL seems to miss when compared to the LT: the only thing that matters to me is the riding comfort.
Agreed, riding comfort for the long trips is #1 - but let's be honest... Intoxicating acceleration and handling is going to be nice too!

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If it had an electric centerstand, it wouldn't have a foot-bar sticking out from under the exhaust (ala' the '05 on K12LT).

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The instrument panel does have a cheap look to it and I hope there'll be no sun glare on all that silver. A solid black dash with a video screen flush mounted with a black sun shield would have been nicer.

And why not lessen the upsweep on the exhaust a little which would allow them to make the bags even bigger?

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Fancy insrument panel, but my 02 LT is much more beauitful.

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This article and those pics are going to make a LOT of current LT owners VERY unhappy.
Looks cool to me too, but I don't think its in my future. Keepin the LT with the queen seat for my SO for a while. Now if I could have two bikes you know one for the wife the other for the girl friend now we got somethin.

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really reall REALLY want one now!
This says a great deal considering the number of LT's you have had....

This is "only" my 2nd LT, and I've had a deposit on a GTL for a couple months now, and I to really, really, really want this new bike. It's not an LT, but for the kind of riding/touring I now do, it suits me better.

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Okay, so it's ugly, ungainly, unworkable and will make the owner unhappy. Having said all that I read the literature, as we all did. The darn thing walks on water. It levitates. It passes through dimensions with the ease of a proton. It has re-defined the theory of relativity and I want one.
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I LOVE It.......wait
I HATE it..... wait
I LOVE it......wait
I can't decide
I think I need to see this one up close

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Oh, my. OH MY. This is so much nicer than I was afraid to think it would turn out. (does that make sense...?) The spy photos did a decent job of masking some of the visual features, but oh lord this is one beautiful bike. I'm looking forward - very much - to seeing one in a showroom.

The side cases look much deeper than the LT's. Hope so. And it looks like there is tip-over protection built into the aft end of the outboard sides of the side cases.

And that top case - it doesn't look nearly as... cheap... as the spy photo version. The headrest or whatever that is will take some getting used to but OH MY I really like the total product, from what we can see today. The red/gray color combo just speaks to me.

Love the LED lights.

You can clearly see the radio with the mouse/toggle selector thingy and buttons on the left fairing, like the newer RTs have. I've always thought that was a GREAT innovation.

I don't care for the initial look of the dash. Looks like an early 60s Chrysler or something... the big, thick rectangles don't go with the circular gauges. But, that's totally subjective. I hope to get used to it! And a BMR-type shelf could be a problem, but then, the GPS is built-in... although, you might want to add other farkles.

Love the look of the exhaust.

Let's see how this thing rides, and fits us.

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You can clearly see the radio with the mouse/toggle selector thingy and buttons on the left fairing, like the newer RTs have. I've always thought that was a GREAT innovation.
Welcome to BMW's 7-series iDrive -- for two wheel applications Fortunately, it appears to be a much better execution.

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I do wonder how they'll manage heat on this bike.
I've ridden my K12GT for hours on end at well over 110° and never had a problem with engine or frame heat. The airflow design on that bike works very well.

Not sure how the K16's open engine will change that, but I trust that BMW got that part right.

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I want to read an actual ride report.

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After thoughts...

I'm a little concerned with the lack of the reverse gear and electric center stand. If I bought one and they came up with those things later I'd have a Kent State moment! Also, there's no locking 'doo-dad' compartment in the dash that I can see.

Also, need to get some quick production on J-Pegs, bigger screen, head light and 'piaa-type' light protectors, and trailer hitch (for uni-go!)... and a good cup holder! Basically, everything that can go on the current LT is needed.

Looks better than I though (except for dash and trunk). I'd be giving up a lot on my current 05 LT, though. I'll wait and see before I take a second on the house...

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Looks like locking storage on the lowers, at least on the port side. Are those Metz on there?
How long will "they" last under the weight increase me wonders.

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How long will "they" last under the weight increase me wonders.
Weight Increase?!?

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