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Introducing the new K1600GTL the 5th of October

Hi guys, please point your browser here

http://www.kog.it/K1600GTL/

since the 5th of october at 11am (italy hour that's GMT +2) we'll introduce the new K1600GTL. We'll have a lot of pictures and a pdf (in italian sorry) with all the tech spec of the bike.

I cannot tell you anything by now but...

Stay tuned!

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Or take the direct download of the press release (in English) + all pictures in high resolution from the BMW pressclub. Press release will be published here on Oct 5th at 11.00 hrs, right after the press conference at the Intermot.

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Hi guys, please point your browser here

http://www.kog.it/K1600GTL/

since the 5th of october at 11am (italy hour that's GMT +2) we'll introduce the new K1600GTL. We'll have a lot of pictures and a pdf (in italian sorry) with all the tech spec of the bike.

I cannot tell you anything by now but...

Stay tuned!

P.S. Sorry for not being so present here but unfortunately the admin has banned Tiscali (my provider) from this forum and I'm using Tiscali at home and at work so I'm able to connect here only through an anonymous proxy.

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So is the introduction Italy time or Eastern Daylight time? By my calculation there are seven hour difference between New York and France's time. So, the press release should be available at 0400 Eastern time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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The countdown clock is calibrated with the time on YOUR computer whatever that may be. I tried tricking it by setting the time to tomorrow afternoon, but the countdown clock just showed all zeros and no access beyond that...

Oh well, I'll just wait for tomorrow.
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Have you seen this?
http://clubmototuristi.forumfree.it/?t=48776530

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Wow, awesome pictures. Surprised they're out this early; I thought I was pathetic for checking this board so soon. I think the show's still a couple of hours from now or something.

I love the red color and hope BMW offers it here; sometimes not all colors are shipped here (U.S.). My only concern with the bike is how ridiculously high the windshield looks. Hopefully it's in the raised position in the pictures with the rider and passenger; otherwise I'll just buy a shorter aftermarket one when they eventually start appearing. I don't like looking through shields and at 5'6 I probably would be looking through that one.
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It's OUT at the KOG

http://www.kog.it/sito2/index.php?op...d=64&Itemid=49

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Going to the dealer today to see about putting a deposit on the K1600GLT .

I should be the first in central Texas

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http://www.autoevolution.com/news/bm...led-25059.html

Loads of pics of the two new 1600

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http://www.autoevolution.com/news/bm...led-25059.html

Loads of pics of the two new 1600

Enjoy
A little disappointed that they only lost 12 pounds from the dry weight of an LT (767 vs. 779). Thought they would have done better in weight trimming.

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I like the bike, but there are a few things that I don't see. It looks like it has a 6 speed transmission. Does that mean no reverse?? How about an electric center stand?

A few years ago I had every intention of buying a GT. I took one for a ride and hated it. Way too much drive train lash. This bike needs to be as smooth as the LT for me to buy one.
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Thought they would have done better in weight trimming.
Agreed. Though I'm just gonna pop the trunk and all those extras off and add a fuel cell.

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Nice bike, but this is clearly a new GT and not a new LT. Fine if you like the GT. This inspires me to wash and wax my LT this week, because looks like I'm going to have it for a while longer.

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Agreed. Though I'm just gonna pop the trunk and all those extras off and add a fuel cell.
Yes only 88lbs less than the current LT. Rear Tire selection 190 series will be somewhat limited.
The GT without bags at 701 lbs tops the current GT 1300 by 65 lbs plus bag weight..
Alt output was it 580 watts ?
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removable topcase and panniers, interesting

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I'm sure the performance is incredible but it just doesn't look very inspiring. I think the current LT just looks like a more cohesive design. The trunk and panniers just look an afterthought on the new bike.

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Agreed that the current LT looks more connected and designed as a Luxury Tourer.

The GLT does have one feature I love - the seat looks significantly closer to the ground.

Overall, while the new engine is just dead sexy, the rest of the bike is dissapointing when compared to the well over decade old LT.

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Nice bike, but this is clearly a new GT and not a new LT. Fine if you like the GT. This inspires me to wash and wax my LT this week, because looks like I'm going to have it for a while longer.
I agree. This is a refined and redesigned GT. They've added some "luxury" touches to the GTL, but this isn't a replacement for the LT.

I've loved my LT's but my type of riding and the types of trips I take has changed, so the GTL looks like it really will fit what I'm looking for in a bike.

But I feel for those you wanted to see a real replacement for the LT. Something that would address those things that we wanted to see improvements in, and keep us from going to a Gold Wing if we wanted to stay in the heavyweight luxury touring bikes.

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WOW! Personally I think the used prices for well maintained LTs has just gone up. This GTL is a nice bike but it IS NOT AN LT.
Thats ok though. We are lucky that we have so many choices. My choice is to keep riding my LT that I freaking love!!!!!!!

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A little disappointed that they only lost 12 pounds from the dry weight of an LT (767 vs. 779). Thought they would have done better in weight trimming.
Unladen GTL 766 lbs, LT 840 lbs .GTL is 74 lbs less. I bet the Akropovic slip on's will shave 30 lbs or more..

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I'm sure the performance is incredible but it just doesn't look very inspiring. I think the current LT just looks like a more cohesive design. The trunk and panniers just look an afterthought on the new bike.

Here is a picture with an FJR vs. GT and the LT vs. GTL

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Great post. At the time I bought my 2003 LT, I asked when was the next model coming out? There is no doubt that this bike will be faster, but in the end my 2003 LT looks just as nice,(or nicer) plays music from an IPOD or a CD if needed, has a GPS, has an electric windshield, reverse, rear passenger radio controls, 3rd brake light, cruise control, heated grips and seats and the rear trunk /paniers bags are integrated. I don't know how this new bike handles, but I never had a complaint with my LT. The LTdoes what it was intended to do and continues to do it with timeless style.

My feeling is that if I have a need to buy a new bike because my LT is stolen, wrecked or has a major malfunction, I will buy a GTL, but until then, I will continue enjoy my LT with very little envy for this new bike. (A bike that took BMW 11 years to create?)

I guess BMW made the LT just too good. It probably has a life span that can be compared to a Porsche 911. I think my resale value just went up

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WOW! Personally I think the used prices for well maintained LTs has just gone up. This GTL is a nice bike but it IS NOT AN LT.
Thats ok though. We are lucky that we have so many choices. My choice is to keep riding my LT that I freaking love!!!!!!!
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Unladen GTL 766 lbs, LT 840 lbs .GTL is 74 lbs less. I bet the Akropovic slip on's will shave 30 lbs or more..
I have not seen the weight of the GTL stated as wet or dry. The dry weight of the 2005 and later LT is listed most places as 779 pounds. The 840 number is full of fuel (wet). IF the weight listed for the GTL is wet weight, then yes, there is a decent difference. If it is dry weight, then not so much.

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From BMW's official Press Release:

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Unladen weight, incl. 90% fuel:

K 1600 GT 319 kg (703 lbs)
without panniers

K 1600 GTL 348 kg (767 lbs)
including panniers and topcase

K 1300 GT 288 kg (635 lbs)
including panniers but not topcase
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Revision: I just got my Gizmag email, and in it is this link, stating that the weight of the GTL is 348KG (767 Lb) with 90% fuel. So yes, the weight difference is around 70 pounds less than the weight of the LT at 840 pounds with FULL fuel.
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I have not seen the weight of the GTL stated as wet or dry. The dry weight of the 2005 and later LT is listed most places as 779 pounds. The 840 number is full of fuel (wet). IF the weight listed for the GTL is wet weight, then yes, there is a decent difference. If it is dry weight, then not so much.

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The talk of weight, discussed in a vacuum, tells me nothing.

As has been noted, the LT weighs 50 pounds less than a Wing, but the Wing feels much lighter in the parking lot.

Until a few of actually get to ride this thing and see where the weight is, it all means nothing in terms of slow speed handling. Obviously, lower weight will mean better performance regardless of where it is.

Question: Has the wheelbase on the GTL been revealed?

The GTL's tank sits fairly high and has 7 gallons capacity (approx 56 pounds). The engine is also fairly far forward and the jugs sit higher than the Brick or the opposed 6 on the Wing.

I will be very curious to see if this is problematic.

Regardless of all these academic discussions (which are fun), the damn thing sure is pretty.

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Re: Introducing the new K1600GTL the 5th of October

Just my opinion, but I think the top case just looks like an afterthought. It doesn't "flow" with the bike like the LT's case does. I think I'll just keep riding my LT.

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Good to know. Are you aware if this is shorter than the LT was?

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Re: Introducing the new K1600GTL the 5th of October

I didn't want another RT, I'm tired of the boxer motor having owned 6. I tried the K13GT and loved the motor but not the ergos.

It looks like the 16GTL has the ergos of the RT, with that lovely engine and all the electronics that I would like to have...

Dealer tells me both the GT and GTL will be coming.
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Rider position did reminded me strongly to that of the K-LT; tried it today at the Intermot. If you ask me the GTL can be an excellent replacement for the LT.

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Re: Introducing the new K1600GTL the 5th of October

I think this has been discussed in the past and there is a difference between the Euro and US methods to determine octane rating... but... in the Italian thingy, it says it needs 95 octane.

Ummmm... the highest I can get (other than at the airport) is 92.

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I think this has been discussed in the past and there is a difference between the Euro and US methods to determine octane rating... but... in the Italian thingy, it says it needs 95 octane.

Ummmm... the highest I can get (other than at the airport) is 92.
Euro octane ratings are different than ours...

Suffice it to say, a high performance engine like this requires premium fuel, same as on my GS.
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