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Question Is it safe to assume the K1300GT will still remain in BMW's lineup?

I really got to thinking about the K1600 being a "GT" ... even the GTL. But what does that do to the K1300? Does it replace it? Or will they have the K1300, and K1600GT/L? And if they have all three of those offerings, will they still come out with a K1600LT?

Hhmmn... Let the speculations begin.
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Re: Is it safe to assume the K1300GT will still remain in BMW's lineup?

In looking back at BMW's maneuvers with their product lineups, I'd be surprised if they pulled the GT's - they may make them the 'smaller solution' to the K1600 for a complete arsenal...

The R1200 ST was an experiment and I also wonder if that may not be in the plans as well - K1300 ST - K1600 GTL???

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Re: Is it safe to assume the K1300GT will still remain in BMW's lineup?

My guess is that they will keep the 1300 engine in the lineup, with the 1600 for those that NEED it. It would be unlike BMW to spend the time and money to develop an engine, have it become quite popular, then discontinue it after a short time.

Of course the market will be the real decider. Either engine could disappear if enough are not sold.

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Re: Is it safe to assume the K1300GT will still remain in BMW's lineup?

There will be on loaded model of the 2011 K1300GT and then that's it. The K1300S will continue through at least 2011, but there are grumblings that the Slant4 is on it's way to the BMW museum of past engines.


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Re: Is it safe to assume the K1300GT will still remain in BMW's lineup?

In talking with one of the dealers, they said the K1300 is going to be droped. The 1600 is gong to be the work horse engine.

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Re: Is it safe to assume the K1300GT will still remain in BMW's lineup?

I think the K1300S will be around for another year or so depending on sales volume. The 13GT is done IMO as is any model called "LT". The GTL will be the flagship luxo tourer for BMW for the foreseeable future....

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Re: Is it safe to assume the K1300GT will still remain in BMW's lineup?

I asked my dealer a similar question over the weekend. His take - the 1300 Slant-4 series of bikes will go away. The 1300GT will give way to the 1600GT, and the S will go away as it's not selling as strongly and folks who were coming in for those are starting to by the S1000RR. The LT will die in its current form as well in lieu of the 1600GTL.

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Re: Is it safe to assume the K1300GT will still remain in BMW's lineup?

A lot of interesting responses and speculations. Half of me thinks that BMW needs to keep at 1300 bike around simply because the 1600 is simply going to be too heavy for some purposes, or riders. But if the S1000RR is filling that void, than perhaps there isn't a need for the 1300 after all.

Funny ... before owning my ZX-11 (back in the 90s) I used to think that an 1100 cc bike was about as big of a powerplant as one would want in a sport-tourer. Maybe even too big. But then the ZZR1200 came out. And later the Hayabusa 1300 ... only to be followed by the Kaw ZX-14. The GT is now a 1300 and my Kaw Concours is a 1400. So, why does a 1600 sound so freakishly ginormous for a sport-tourer??? It's just evolution, I suppose. They're craming more CCs into smaller spaces meanwhile making the motors lighter ... so WHAT THE HECK?! BRING ME MORE CCs, TORQUE, and PONIES!
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Re: Is it safe to assume the K1300GT will still remain in BMW's lineup?

Isn't the weight on the K1600GT the same as the current K1300GT?

And if I'm correct, the GTL will be at least 100 lbs lighter than the current LT.

Does this mean the Kawi is gone, Joe?


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Isn't the weight on the K1600GT the same as the current K1300GT?
AFAIK, no one has seen actual weight specs for the new K1600 bikes yet.

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And if I'm correct, the GTL will be at least 100 lbs lighter than the current LT.
Emphasis on at least, please.

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Does this mean the Kawi is gone, Joe?
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Does this mean the Kawi is gone, Joe?
No. In fact, I'm loving it more each day. And I definitely like it more than my K1200GT. It's an amazing bike, IMO.

But the thought of a GT with a 1600 under the hood, and a more comfortable riding position for my wife is very appealing to me. In a couple of years we will be doing some serious touring, and the C14 just isn't going to cut it for 2-up LD.
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Well I'm stoked. These bikes could bring me back to the (modern) BMW fold. Can't wait for detailed specs on weight and range. Oh, and some detail on the final drive. I worry about even a slight weight increase vs. the 1300GT being the even harder on the mis-guided single sided swing arm idea. If they've beefed it up, I'll likely cross fingers and risk it but I wish they would go with a conventional setup.

Not that the FJR's going anywhere soon. I may well keep that bike forever.

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Maybe I missed it through all this oogling. But is the transmission going to be a 6-speed?

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Maybe I missed it through all this oogling. But is the transmission going to be a 6-speed?
I'm not sure if that spec has been mentioned yet ... but I have to believe we're looking at a 6-speed tranny here. (Umm ... with a really tall 6th gear, please.)
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I don't think the single-sided swing arm is misguided. Honda's been doing it successfully for years, even on the 900+ lb 'Wing. I just think that it needed to be tested properly by BMW before we all got to it . . .

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I don't think the single-sided swing arm is misguided. Honda's been doing it successfully for years, even on the 900+ lb 'Wing. I just think that it needed to be tested properly by BMW before we all got to it . . .
BMW did it first, and successfully for decades, then they started failing with the introduction of the K1200LT, and they have not seemed to totally solve the problem since, even after a couple total re-designs.

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No. In fact, I'm loving it more each day. And I definitely like it more than my K1200GT. It's an amazing bike, IMO....
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