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Welcome to the new forum for the new 6-cylinder sport and luxury touring motorcycles from BMW. While still not the long rumored LT replacement, these two models will definitely raise the bar for sport touring and offer much better two-up comfort than anything else since the original K200LT. With the one piece seat, integrated audio and relaxed ergonomics, the K1600GTL may be the answer many have been looking for.

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Here is a direct link to the full BMW Motorrad Six-Cylinder Technology Day press release in .pdf format.

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Here is a direct link to the full BMW Motorrad Six-Cylinder Technology Day press release in .pdf format.
A press release for a new vehicle and it has no photographs? How dumb is that?

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A press release for a new vehicle and it has no photographs? How dumb is that?
Actually it is good marketting. They want to get you salivating like a dog and bleeting like a goat, you want one so bad. It is called building anticipation.
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Actually it is good marketting. They want to get you salivating like a dog and bleeting like a goat, you want one so bad. It is called building anticipation.
That may work on people with IQs in the room temperature range, but it just makes me think BMW's marking department is as competent as its final drive department. :-)

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Actually it is good marketting. They want to get you salivating like a dog and bleeting like a goat, you want one so bad. It is called building anticipation.
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A press release for a new vehicle and it has no photographs? How dumb is that?
No, it's called creating and maintaing anticipation. It works.

This was just a technical info dump to whet the whistle. We'll get more details and a full view at the Intermot show in Cologne this October. As they usually do when introducing all new models.

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cool video on the adaptive headlight, if it works as they suggest.
Interesting that they say the GTL is the "flagship" model.... does that means it is the new "LT"?
Guess I'll be looking at the 2016 model! Too many good runs left on the '05 yet.
Happy breaking it in guys.. looking forward to all the reports next year.

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A press release for a new vehicle and it has no photographs? How dumb is that?
BMW hasn't finalized the body designs yet. They are working on heat management and other issues. The spy photo that was seen at the gas station a month or so ago is just one of the options. Heat management seems to be the biggest issue, and they are looking to get it right the first time.


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Heat management seems to be the biggest issue, and they are looking to get it right the first time.
Kawasaki Concours owners had to suffer two years with the '08-'09 models before Kawa fixed that heat issue. I can attest that they got it right on the 2010.
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Kawasaki Concours owners had to suffer two years with the '08-'09 models before Kawa fixed that heat issue.
As did the FJR riders for many years, and the ST1100/ST1300 riders still struggle with this problem.

But the K12GT got the heat management right first time out of the box. I've ridden thousands of miles in temps well over 110° and heat coming off the bike itself just isn't a problem.

Give BMW time to work this out. It'll be well worth it in the end.

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As did the FJR riders for many years, and the ST1100/ST1300 riders still struggle with this problem.

But the K12GT got the heat management right first time out of the box. I've ridden thousands of miles in temps well over 110° and heat coming off the bike itself just isn't a problem.

Give BMW time to work this out. It'll be well worth it in the end.
Bingo. BMW did something similar with the GT. There were multiple test mules running through some of the hottest climates North America can throw at a rider prior to the release. I tribute that kind of testing (and lessons learned from Yamaha and Honda on heat management and airflow that troubled their bikes) to why the K1200GT had this nailed on day one.


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Hi bmw riders looking forward to comments on bm's fiabilité! I have reserved a 1600gtl at Ottawa good time dealer last month first in canada it seems.I sold my harley ultra 2008 for this baby without knowing ,the price, colour,picture,or dilivery date!Ihope my spelling isn't too bad for a french guy.!!!!!!!!!!!
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Do you think that bm desingners will have floor boards instead of pegs on the k1600? Pegs are not worthy of grand touring!
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Do you think that bm desingners will have floor boards instead of pegs on the k1600? Pegs are not worthy of grand touring!
If they do, I hope it is an option. Floor boards are for OLD grand tourers!
As are heel and to shifters!!

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I'm also getting old!! .DO you and your passenger find pegs comfortable on long trips ? After an hour riding i need my front pegs to change possision.!!
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I'm also getting old!! .DO you and your passenger find pegs comfortable on long trips ? After an hour riding i need my front pegs to change possision.!!
Yes, we do. Obviously, comfort is a very personal thing and what works for me likely won't work for you and vice versa. My wife and I typically ride 300-400 miles a day when traveling, but have done a few 600+ mile days on the interstates.

I find the stock riding position to be quite comfortable. The same can't be said for the stock seat though! Although, so far adding a beadrider and LDC shorts has been enough for 600 mile days.

The funny part is that on my Voyager XII, my legs cramped up and I had to install, and use often, a set of highway pegs. I am now convinced that the issue is that the Voyager seat was too low for me and too close to the pegs. The higher seat on the LT keeps my knees bent at an angle that isn't so acute and that seems to make a world of difference. I like the pegs so that I can rock my foot forward and aft periodically to give my ankles a change of position. And pegs are much less likely to interfere when my legs when stopped and mounting and dismounting the bike.

AS background, I'm 6', 32" inseam and weight 215 lbs with several bad disks in my back. The only thing I have considered to add for comfort is a back rest, but given that those for the LT are simply ridiculously priced (but then again what LT accessory isn't?), and I haven't had that much of a need, I am holding pat thus far.

However, I was just pulling your chain about the "pegs not being worthy" comment. I think you should fit whatever makes the bike work better for you!

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Nope, that's a good one, I haven't seen anyone riding the bike before. The road does look similar to the last pictures taken at the gas station, and it could be the bike which was parked at the rear. There was no one small in that picture, so either there is someone else riding it or the seat looks very low!
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These are the "gas station" pics that were referenced and picked apart in the main tread:

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I have never seen them before. Seems to be a different gas station and different riders.
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Anyone seen this pic before ?
Looks like a cross between an FJR1300 and a Concours14! Ducking and running...

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Looks like a cross between an FJR1300 and a Concours14!
And will probably cost the same as both of those put together . . .

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I have never seen them before. Seems to be a different gas station and different riders.
Starts on post #139 in that thread:

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Yes I stand corrected, hadn´t seen them on this site.

They do look though like they were shot in Europe.
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Six cylinders? That's four more than you need.

BMW makes the perfect motorcycle, it's called R1200RT

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Until you start the damn thing, and it vibrates like a harley with a loose motor mount . . .

Never could get used to that twin "character" myself.

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BMW makes the perfect motorcycle, it's called R1200RT
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Only 2 things I don't like the look of so far...
1. They've gone to a single thumb-switch for indicators
2. In every photo the "passenger" is hanging onto the rider, rather than looking comfortable sitting back in the seat and backrest.... whats with that?


.. actually, make that 3.. why have a dumb-ass hang-off-the-back-of-the-bike top-box if she won't use it properly...

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The 1600 will not be available as a 2011 model that is why they are not out yet. The first year will be 2012 which will come out in May or June of 2011. Just sayin....

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The 1600 will not be available as a 2011 model that is why they are not out yet. The first year will be 2012 which will come out in May or June of 2011. Just sayin....
That's the first I'd heard that...but it makes sense that they wouldn't have one model for a few months and then switch to the next year!

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Only 2 things I don't like the look of so far...
1. They've gone to a single thumb-switch for indicators
2. In every photo the "passenger" is hanging onto the rider, rather than looking comfortable sitting back in the seat and backrest.... whats with that?


.. actually, make that 3.. why have a dumb-ass hang-off-the-back-of-the-bike top-box if she won't use it properly...
I noticed the same thing about the passenger. I keep looking for a shot of someone leaning back on the back rest of the GTL to show my SO how comfy she will be compared to our R1100RT.
The passenger seat looks quite a bit higher than on my RT. It may take a little getting used to for her, but it may keep the passenger from having to lean to the side to look forward.
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I noticed the same thing about the passenger. I keep looking for a shot of someone leaning back on the back rest of the GTL.
It might just be a wrong impression, but I believe that they placed the trunk too much on the back.

The result is that she doesn't want to lean BACK with too much space between her and him, also because the handling won't be good with a tall passenger hanging high and raising the CoG so much.

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It wasn't a problem on the K1200GT I had (not even at 240 km/h ), so it won't be a problem with the K1600.

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I wouldn't make anything of the fact that the passenger is not leaing back against the trunk. I've seen this in the promotional photos and videos for other touring bikes. I can only conclude that the passenger, who is a model, invariably of slight and slim build, hired to look good on the bike and thereby make the bike look good, has been instructed to maintain an upright posture, hugging the rider, rather than a slumped posture which, even in a petite model, can look less than flattering. The spooned position that the model maintains is meant to convey the message that both rider and passenger are not only one with the bike but one with each other, and that the passenger is taking part in the interaction with the bike rather than just sitting there like a bump on a log.

I'm sure there'd be no problem with leaning back against the trunk and in all likelihood the model is dying to do so after the first hour or two of the photo shoot.
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the passenger is taking part in the interaction with the bike rather than just sitting there like a bump on a log.
I'm not sure that I can repeat this to my wife

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HI voyager what do you think of the new 1600 I think it's super And all you guys?
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This is what I've read on a french review:

BMW K 1600 GTL : 6,6 l/100 km
BMW K 1200 LT : 6,1 l/100 km

The full article is here, if you can read French: LINK

A have a few friends who own it and they reported similar differences with the LT

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