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I wanted to send my greetings to one and all. I just bought a 2007 1200LT from a private owner and have some questions about the bike. First, the previous owner kept all his service records and owners manual etc. and I have been pouring over them.

I have been riding off and on for many years, Hondas and one Suzuki, even a one cylinder Harley(Yes they made them). I have never had a luxury bike like this one though.

The first question is : the manual says the integral braking system works for both brakes by just pressing the foot brake, or hand lever. Is that the best way to stop? I am so used to pressing both brakes I don't want to mess up the braking system.

The second question is how do you lock the front forks?

Thanks for reading this and any help you can give. I am sure I will come up with more questions the deeper I get into it.

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I wanted to send my greetings to one and all. I just bought a 2007 1200LT from a private owner and have some questions about the bike. First, the previous owner kept all his service records and owners manual etc. and I have been pouring over them.

I have been riding off and on for many years, Hondas and one Suzuki, even a one cylinder Harley(Yes they made them). I have never had a luxury bike like this one though.

The first question is : the manual says the integral braking system works for both brakes by just pressing the foot brake, or hand lever. Is that the best way to stop? I am so used to pressing both brakes I don't want to mess up the braking system.

The second question is how do you lock the front forks?

Thanks for reading this and any help you can give. I am sure I will come up with more questions the deeper I get into it.

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To lock the forks, turn the bars all the way to the left and then rotate the key counter-clockwise til it stops and remove key.

As far as braking, I like to use the "front" brake lever primarily because I think it gives better "feel." But I do use both at times as well.

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Whether a bicycle or motorcycle always use the front brake, on my K100 if you got on the front brake real hard she would lift the rear wheel and stall the motor if you were on the rear brake. The LT front suspension does not allow that but the weight is still transferred to the front wheel. Most people use both front and rear.

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Thanks for your responses. I probably will use both brakes, just out of habit, I just didn't want to mess something up with the automatic braking system.

Thanks for the forks information. I knew I read it in the manual, but just couldn't find it. Information overload.

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Whether a bicycle or motorcycle always use the front brake, on my K100 if you got on the front brake real hard she would lift the rear wheel and stall the motor if you were on the rear brake. The LT front suspension does not allow that but the weight is still transferred to the front wheel. Most people use both front and rear.
If you pull in the clutch, that engine stall thing won't happen.

Always use both brakes. You may ride a bike that doesn't have interlinked brakes and don't want to lose muscle memory.

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Approx 50 years ago I put the AJS into the back of a car, almost stopped, no damage, relying on the back brake more than the front so I regard the back brake on a two wheeled vehicle as more of a decoration than something practical. I do use it, never have had a bike with linked brakes.
It is interesting how you use the brakes with sidecar attached but that is a real can of worms to open with the sidecar owners opinions

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Approx 50 years ago I put the AJS into the back of a car, almost stopped, no damage, relying on the back brake more than the front so I regard the back brake on a two wheeled vehicle as more of a decoration than something practical. I do use it, never have had a bike with linked brakes.
It is interesting how you use the brakes with sidecar attached but that is a real can of worms to open with the sidecar owners opinions
Rear brake alone is not good. Both brakes are best. Some bikes can do a stoppie rendering the rear brake ineffective, but most non-sport bikes will have 10-30% of their weight on the rear wheel even in a maximum effort stop. That can easily shorten a 60 to 0 stop by 12-20 feet. That can mean the difference between a close call and an ambulance ride.

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To lock the forks, turn the bars all the way to the left and then rotate the key counter-clockwise til it stops and remove key.
Doing it that way will turn on parking light. Not til it stops but the one notch before.

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Hi, I have not ridden a bike with linked ABS brakes before the LT, I went for a two up ride (500km)on the weekend and experimented braking to try and get the "feel" of the bike. I have used "trail braking" (rear wheel only into corners)for many years on my past and other bikes to get the bike down and avoid running wide into on coming traffic. The LT doesn't seem to need it and I found the rear almost superfluous. Besides, everything scrapes if you push it a little, something I rarely experience on my 84 Ducati S2 or my partners Honda GB 400TT .... that is tear offs on the underpants territory for me. I think we have to ride the bike with in its limits to enjoy it ..... and practice braking, something most riders don't do
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On all my bikes I have used the front brakes harder than the rear. When taking a riders course for the Navy they had us stop using the rear only, I think just to show us what happens. Alot of rubber was left on the pavement by the rookie drivers.

Thanks for the amended info on the Fork lock. I haven't tried it yet, but will when I get home.

Since I bought the bike last Friday it has either been raining or raining part of the day, can't wait to get it out onthe road.

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Ride it like a normal motorcycle, it would be a very bad habit to not use both as you will put yourself at risk when you get on a different bike.

Also the bike will stop faster than any other bike made, it will do this to you in parking lots at 5 mph as well, Guys that are not familiar with the bike will drop it at slow speeds because the brakes are so strong. if you are turning and you hit the brakes at slow speed, you will go over. I do recommend going out to a empty parking lot and finding out how it feels to do a complete panic stop from 30 mph. You do not feel ABS like you do in the car, there is no vibration.

What amazed me was how behaved the bike is in a panic stop on gravel.

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Ride it like a normal motorcycle, it would be a very bad habit to not use both as you will put yourself at risk when you get on a different bike.

Also the bike will stop faster than any other bike made, it will do this to you in parking lots at 5 mph as well, Guys that are not familiar with the bike will drop it at slow speeds because the brakes are so strong. if you are turning and you hit the brakes at slow speed, you will go over. I do recommend going out to a empty parking lot and finding out how it feels to do a complete panic stop from 30 mph. You do not feel ABS like you do in the car, there is no vibration.

What amazed me was how behaved the bike is in a panic stop on gravel.
Actually, many bikes stop better than the LT. The LT stops very well, but don't go thinking you can out brake everyone as you simply can't. Lower and longer bikes will out stop you given skilled riders on both bikes.

http://motorcycle-vermont.com/the-ef...king-distance/

Yes, practice is always a good thing. And the LT indeed is a very composed bike during a panic stop on almost any surface. I haven't tried ice.

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Actually, many bikes stop better than the LT. The LT stops very well, but don't go thinking you can out brake everyone as you simply can't. Lower and longer bikes will out stop you given skilled riders on both bikes.

http://motorcycle-vermont.com/the-ef...king-distance/

Yes, practice is always a good thing. And the LT indeed is a very composed bike during a panic stop on almost any surface. I haven't tried ice.
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Any modern car and most light sportbikes out-brake LT. A lot of tests to prove that.

And rear brake is really worthless in any real braking situation. If rear brake is independent / separated from the front one it is very usefull in controlling the bike in slow speeds but has really not big effect on the braking situations.

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Doing it that way will turn on parking light. Not til it stops but the one notch before.
Yep, I stand corrected. I went out to the garage to verify on my '07 LT.
Did the pre '05 years work the same? I seem to remember turning the bars and key all the way to the right to get the parking light to come on with my 02 LT.

I have owned 2 LT's over ten years and never used that feature. Does anyone?

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Any modern car and most light sportbikes out-brake LT. A lot of tests to prove that.

And rear brake is really worthless in any real braking situation. If rear brake is independent / separated from the front one it is very usefull in controlling the bike in slow speeds but has really not big effect on the braking situations.
It took me a bit to get it through my head that the LT braking is no where near as quick as either the K100 or K1100. I imagine the power brakes on the 01 and up bikes is better than the unassisted 2k

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Yep, I stand corrected. I went out to the garage to verify on my '07 LT.
Did the pre '05 years work the same? I seem to remember turning the bars and key all the way to the right to get the parking light to come on with my 02 LT.

I have owned 2 LT's over ten years and never used that feature. Does anyone?
Yes, They All Do That But never used the parking light (but accidentally )

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the 2002 LT stops in 126.3 ft, 60 to 0 mph on hard touring tires based on information found here on bmwlt.com

Not a lot of cars and SUV's are under 126 feet, the average for modern cars is about 150 feet.

Quickest stopping harley is 145 feet with most at 160 feet.

Light Sport bikes like the kawasaki ninja....
Stopping distance from 97 to 0 km/h (60 to 0 mph) in the ABS model was 38.0 to 41.1 m (124.6 to 135 ft). about the same as the LT...

The Hayabusa can stop in 117 feet, probably due to the massive sticky tires. It's the closest sportbike to the weight of the LT.

The current model Goldwing is right near the 2002 LT in stopping distance.

Tires make the biggest difference, the LT has hard long wearing tires, find some super sticky racing tires and I'm betting you can take 10 feet of it's 60 to 0 stopping distance.

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Thanks all of you for your assistance.

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I would just respectfully say to take the bike out on a back road or parking lot or on a day trip and play with it. Feel out the balance and the stopping power of the brakes, play with the power and get to know the sound and feel of where to shift. She likes it best at higher revs that lots of other bikes. It maybe doesn't stop as fast as some, who cares... brake pads, tires and other things make things stop. Keep your eyes open and your head on a swivel and you can stay ahead of things that otherwise might make you have to test those brakes.

It might not have the power or a large crotch rocket, but it will run with a lot of the big boys and will surprise you if you get up to about 5-6K on the shifts. No slouch. Every bike and riders abilities vary, so much of what you read on forums are from a rather limited perspective and probably different from your own.

It's a fantastic bike. I love both of mine and ride them both along with a dirt bike from time to time. It's to me the best bike I've ridden and I was on a GoldWing when I went to test the '99 that I've had for a while. I bought the '99 LT after a 15 minute test ride and later on I sold the GoldWing and bought an '07 LT.

It might be a bit higher than the Wings and maybe is just a tad less comfortable on very long trips. But for me, the handling of the bike above about 10 miles an hour is rather unbelievable in how nimble it feels for a large and fairly heavy bike. The bike has great wind coverage and good mileage. To me the bike has several personalities and it will be fun for you to sort them out and find out just how great a bike it is and how it will make you a better rider.

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the 2002 LT stops in 126.3 ft, 60 to 0 mph on hard touring tires based on information found here on bmwlt.com

Not a lot of cars and SUV's are under 126 feet, the average for modern cars is about 150 feet.

Quickest stopping harley is 145 feet with most at 160 feet.

Light Sport bikes like the kawasaki ninja....
Stopping distance from 97 to 0 km/h (60 to 0 mph) in the ABS model was 38.0 to 41.1 m (124.6 to 135 ft). about the same as the LT...

The Hayabusa can stop in 117 feet, probably due to the massive sticky tires. It's the closest sportbike to the weight of the LT.

The current model Goldwing is right near the 2002 LT in stopping distance.

Tires make the biggest difference, the LT has hard long wearing tires, find some super sticky racing tires and I'm betting you can take 10 feet of it's 60 to 0 stopping distance.
Did you look at the link I provided? Your data on Harley's is patently false. I don't know the source of your other data, but I question their validity also, particularly the average for cars. Sources??

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the 2002 LT stops in 126.3 ft, 60 to 0 mph on hard touring tires based on information found here on bmwlt.com

Not a lot of cars and SUV's are under 126 feet, the average for modern cars is about 150 feet.

Quickest stopping harley is 145 feet with most at 160 feet.

Light Sport bikes like the kawasaki ninja....
Stopping distance from 97 to 0 km/h (60 to 0 mph) in the ABS model was 38.0 to 41.1 m (124.6 to 135 ft). about the same as the LT...

The Hayabusa can stop in 117 feet, probably due to the massive sticky tires. It's the closest sportbike to the weight of the LT.

The current model Goldwing is right near the 2002 LT in stopping distance.

Tires make the biggest difference, the LT has hard long wearing tires, find some super sticky racing tires and I'm betting you can take 10 feet of it's 60 to 0 stopping distance.
This data set shows the longest distances being 150' and those are SUVs. The sports cars beat the LT handily. I think your claim of 150' average is bunk.
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/m...ance/index.htm

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A little long.

Well, I finally got to ride the bike. I rode it to work. Nice weather, finally. I didn't have any problems with brake issues, I used both.

The problems began when I tried to put the kickstand down. I was on a slight incline and didn't realize it and the bike went over on the left side. It was leaning on the stowed highway peg. I tried to lift it and got it almost all the way up and my right leg slid back and I heard or felt a pop (not sure which). The bike came back down. I could barely walk. Of course no one was around (good because I wasn't embarrassed, bad because no one could help me lift the bike). I rested a bit and lifted again, with very sore leg. I guess adrenaline must have kicked in because I got it back up. I drove it to work, still not able to walk.

I had to leave work. Rode back home, using mostly front brake, because right leg wasn't working well.

When I got home, I tried to out the kickstand down again in the driveway and got off balance again and went down on the left side again, this time on the rear bag and stowed highway peg. My son was home so he helped me get the bike up.

I drove to the local emergency medical clinic and to make a long story short, I ruptured my Achilles tendon. I have to have surgery to repair it. I will be out only 2 to 3 months if I am lucky.

All in all, not a stellar performance for my first longer ride.
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Sorry you got hurt and will out of service for that long. Hope you heal well and quickly.

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Thanks, I hope so too.
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A little long.

Well, I finally got to ride the bike. I rode it to work. Nice weather, finally. I didn't have any problems with brake issues, I used both.

The problems began when I tried to put the kickstand down. I was on a slight incline and didn't realize it and the bike went over on the left side. It was leaning on the stowed highway peg. I tried to lift it and got it almost all the way up and my right leg slid back and I heard or felt a pop (not sure which). The bike came back down. I could barely walk. Of course no one was around (good because I wasn't embarrassed, bad because no one could help me lift the bike). I rested a bit and lifted again, with very sore leg. I guess adrenaline must have kicked in because I got it back up. I drove it to work, still not able to walk.

I had to leave work. Rode back home, using mostly front brake, because right leg wasn't working well.

When I got home, I tried to out the kickstand down again in the driveway and got off balance again and went down on the left side again, this time on the rear bag and stowed highway peg. My son was home so he helped me get the bike up.

I drove to the local emergency medical clinic and to make a long story short, I ruptured my Achilles tendon. I have to have surgery to repair it. I will be out only 2 to 3 months if I am lucky.

All in all, not a stellar performance for my first longer ride.
Were you lifting facing the bike or did you back up to it, have you seen the video on youtube

Hope legs heals fast

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I dropped my LT on my first ride - similar way, slight incline, leaned it onto the side stand (without putting it in gear first…), and over it went. Fortunately, I didn't try to save it, just let it gently take a nap.

However, I did something similar to what you did on a bicycle years ago in Yosemite - bike fell to the left, I kicked it back up (heard/felt a pop), the bicycle started falling to the right, so I did the same thing, with the same result in reverse. Long story short…. I tore my minuscus (sp) and ended up in surgery with a 6 week recovery.

Sorry about your mishap, but it can happen even on a bicycle….
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When they tell you about holding the bike upright with the engine off for a bit before putting it on the sidestand, (so that it doesn't smoke on restart), make sure the first thing you do after stopping is to put down the sidestand. I forgot this and stopped, turned off the engine, took off my gloves and helmet, and proceeded to drop it on its left side. Like a dummy I tried to stop it and it threw me across the garage and under the workbench.

That reminds me I still haven't cleaned the spider webs out from under the bench yet.

I'm saddened to hear that your injury will require surgery and I wish you the best.

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Raday. Man really sorry to hear of all this. I know you are disgusted with the start of things with this bike.

While you are on the mend, why don't you fill out your profile to let us know where you are located. I know that there are guys that would gladly come and help you get familiar with the things you need to know about the bike.

On my 2007 that I got last August, the PO had Wilber's shocks installed all around. He was 6'5" and a 34" inseam. I saw from the outset that I had to fix that when I got it back over here. There was some adjustment in the front shock but I had to send the rear back to Ted Porter in CA to have the shock lowered and resprung. The PO was about 275 lbs and I'm about 190 and 5'9" on a stretch. So I had to be careful in not trying to stop on the right side of a highway if the road was on an angle too much or it would tip over. I'm 76 years now but I have picked it up many times and you just need to look at the videos and possibly have an LT owner there to show you the in's and out's.

Raday I truly hope all this will be way in the back of your mind in a year or so when you have all this behind you and are smiling on every ride, and that you get by this bad start that was not actually your fault. It really is a wonderful bike but it's different than any other bike I've owned and took some getting used to. Seems the Germans are all about 32-34" inseam as they all like their bikes on the high side and there are other anomalies it has but once they are pointed out to you somehow it's becomes natural.

There could also be some things that might have helped this situation to have happened. 1) I'd check the fluid level in the PreLoad Adjuster and be sure that the rear shock hasn't dropped down a bit. If the rear shock is sagging that will in effect make the side stand seem longer. 2) I'd check that you have the correct tire pressure in the tires. Most of us run 42/46 or close to that front and rear. 3) I'd also lube the side stand to be sure it drops down to the front stop when you put it down, and it's a good habit to kick it a little with your left toe to be sure it's fully against the front stop. And 4) Always stop the bike in 1st gear and be sure not to ever leave it in neutral and then get off and work on the bike as it will roll and be down in a heart beat.

If the bikes starts to go over it's going and just be sure to get the down side leg out of the way. If it goes over on the right side, first thing to do is to put the side stand down. Then get your left hand on the handlebar your butt in the seat and your right hand on the right saddlebag handle. You will pull the handlebar in towards you to the right side lock. Then you lift with your legs and take little steps with the feet and keep your back as straight as you can. It will come up. Course some help from a passerby helps too.

Don't try any of that until way after you have healed up. Best of luck to you and again, sorry about all this trouble.

Tommy
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post #31 of 31 Old Apr 28th, 2014, 7:33 pm Thread Starter
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Re: 1200LT Newbie

Thank you all for your best wishes. I have filled out more of my profile. I live in Virginia Beach, Va.anyone who can give me pointers would be helpful and appreciated.

I did lift it while looking at the bike from the right side. I was glad that it went down that way the first time and was able to get it down that way the second time, so I did get the kickstand down before I tried to lift it. I was , however afraid that the kickstand wouldn't hold it on the grade, but I was lucky and it held.

I haven't been able to check the seat height, or shock level, but plan on doing that, way before I ride it again. My inseam is 30 inches. It does seem that BMW does think all riders are 6ft tall. Funny though most Germans I know are my height or just a bit taller.

The bike only has 7000 miles on it.

This bike does seem to have a bit more of a learning curve that others I have ridden.

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