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Talking A MUCH quieter Remus !!

Did some R&D with my remus "Street can" to try and get rid of that throaty helmet resonating rumble. (mostly under 3500 rpm crusing or during power roll on)
Reason why, my wife finds the rumble very annoying, I agree with her ... So WALA, this is what I came up with.

Using stainless 1.250 O.D. / .020" wall tubing - inserted an @ 4" piece into exit of muffler.

*** Noise of the low frequency kind is LESS THAN HALF ! with no noticeable loss in power. Still has the nice Remus purr, but lacks the rumble ....... NICE !!!

It would seem by straighting out the flow of gas's at outlet, the rumbles gone.
Because of the angle of outlet, the tube gets canted slighty and wedges into place, a small tack of RTV silacone applied so it can't rattle back out. Removable if needed ... Very K.I.S.S.

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I like it. I had been reluctant to upgrade my exhaust since my wife still gives me a hard time about the 540's sport exhaust "note". This might be the answer for me. Thanks.

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Good job, Scott!!

I have the same Remus pipe, and my wife has the same issue with the low loud rumble (I've been keeping RPMs higher (4K+) as a result, but can't always do so). I'll be copying your method right away!!

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Scott: NOW you tell me! I gave up and sold my Remus a month ago. BWAAAHHHH...

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No salt here, so ... no corrosion.

I did however shine it up after I purchased it used @ 4 months ago using a "Fine" scotchbright pad. Now @ 4K on it.

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Hi Scott! Thanks for the R&D. My bike is going into the shop this week and I am adding a chip. Was reluctant to buy the exhaust, but now that you have enlightened us on how to cut down the noise, I am going to add a Remus exhaust to the shopping list as well. Just a quick question for you, is the metal piece just straight pipe. One end in the photo looks like it has a smaller diamater than the other. Thanks for your help. Ron Hiebert
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Hi Scott! Thanks for the R&D. My bike is going into the shop this week and I am adding a chip. Was reluctant to buy the exhaust, but now that you have enlightened us on how to cut down the noise, I am going to add a Remus exhaust to the shopping list as well. Just a quick question for you, is the metal piece just straight pipe. One end in the photo looks like it has a smaller diamater than the other. Thanks for your help. Ron Hiebert
Same diameter 1.250"O.D. x .020" wall x @ 4" long ... nothing special at all.

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**** BTW. I have @ 3 feet of this materal ... so IF you want to do the mod, but can't find some tubing locally, I can set you guys up while my supply lasts.

Figure cost @ $10 for a 6" piece .. shipped in lower 48

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Had 6 pieces of 6" SS tube ... as of Weds A.M. ... as of 5:15 pm ... Out of tubing !

Thanks guys.

Please post your results once done.

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Now out of tubes.

A great mod BTW !!

Have more fun with LESS noise.

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Did some R&D with my remus "Street can"
Scott, did you try different lenths at all??
If, not how did you settle on just 4''? (Ok guys, keep it out of the gutter.)

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Well, it does not go in any further than 4 inchs.

The tilted angle of the spigot on the remus street can makes the tube go in slighted tilted too, once in @ 4", The tube hits the side of the internal baffle stopping it.

When I first played around with the idea my tube was @ 8 inchs long, and hung out @ 4" ... it was quieter, just ugly as hell.
At 4" noise is a tad more than at 8" ... but still a LOT quieter than without tube at all.

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Well, it does not go in any further than 4 inchs.
The tube hits the side of the internal baffle stopping it.
just made a deal with another member to buy an aluminum street can set-up
should get here while horrse is "gettin' clutched".

May try cross drilling the insert piece,since as you pointed out it touches the baffle.
But I'lll wait til I see the system in the flesh (er, metal)

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Scott..I thought I would let you know that your mod I installed works like a champ!.It appears to have cut the sound by 30-40% with no loss of power.

Thanks so much. It is the perfect answer for the remus on a touring bike.

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Ka-Za !!!!
Got the trike back today with the new Remus installed..............
the sound sort of echoed under the body work and HD guys were giving me the thumbs up.......
I had to add an extension to the silencer to clear the body work so I was able to add 6 inches of "the fix" inside the extension ..........................
What a difference ! I can't believe that little piece of ss cut the rumble at least by half.............
Good fix Scott !!!
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Scott,

I'm sort of late to the discussion and had a question on the extension you designed. What keeps it in place and is there any vibration? One other question, what is a good source of pipe?

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I'm sort of late to the discussion and had a question on the extension you designed. What keeps it in place and is there any vibration? One other question, what is a good source of pipe?..
I'll jump in an answer the question, since I have had the little extension mod sitting in the topcase for many months now, and just got around to installing it last week! It fits snugly in the pipe, so there's no vibration, and once you've got it fit and cut and tap it back in (it slides quite a ways in, so seems very secure), you use a bead of silicone around it to help secure it (obviously, you have to clean the soot out of the end your pipe before doing that). As others have said, it does a great job of reducing the noise, with no noticeable effect on performance. A very simple, yet elegant solution!

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Re: A MUCH quieter Remus !!

I just did this mod. IT WORKS GREAT !!!!

Two minutes and your done. Just follow Motorhead's directions.

Major difference in the sound. Awesome low end sound, no apparent loss in power.

I am sure the pipe can be found somewhere close by, but I didn't want to drive around looking for it. Here is a link for a supplier: http://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant...=312&top_cat=1 The pipe I ordered has a .049" thickness instead of the .02" pipe Motorhead used, but it seems to work just fine. $23.00 including shipping

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I am supprised that just a dab will do ya keeps the insert in place!

Has the installation still been reliable?

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Did some R&D with my remus "Street can" to try and get rid of that throaty helmet resonating rumble. (mostly under 3500 rpm crusing or during power roll on)
Reason why, my wife finds the rumble very annoying, I agree with her ... So WALA, this is what I came up with.

Using stainless 1.250 O.D. / .020" wall tubing - inserted an @ 4" piece into exit of muffler.

*** Noise of the low frequency kind is LESS THAN HALF ! with no noticeable loss in power. Still has the nice Remus purr, but lacks the rumble ....... NICE !!!

It would seem by straighting out the flow of gas's at outlet, the rumbles gone.
Because of the angle of outlet, the tube gets canted slighty and wedges into place, a small tack of RTV silacone applied so it can't rattle back out. Removable if needed ... Very K.I.S.S.

Regards.
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Yup, not had it come out yet .... @ 25K or so ridden with this mod in place.

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Mine is out on the road someplace...... Bead of silicone must not have held!

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I turned a piece of pipe in a lathe to get her to fit.

Had to tap (OK Hit) it in with a hammer. Never moved, been a little over a year (25K).

A slip fit to me sounded like a bad choice.

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Re: A MUCH quieter Remus !!

You have to use that RV (?) silicone, the high temp one.
Having said that, I also had trouble keeping mine in so I ran a small screw through. Mine is under the trike body so I was able to extrnd the length to 8" and cover the whole works w/ an exhaust extension...very quiet.

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Well, it does not go in any further than 4 inches.


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Well, it does not go in any further than 4 inches.
Cut me some slack ... at the time done my b-ride was only a 5 year old

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Cut me some slack ... at the time done my b-ride was only a 5 year old
glad I'm not the only one with a dry sense of humor....

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I did the mod a while back but used Titanium tubing (to go with the Titanium can on my system) with a .035 wall thickness. This tube is also available from Online Metals. I made three of the parts and gave one to a friend. I used Permatex® Ultra Black® Maximum Oil Resistance RTV Silicone Gasket Maker that I had handy to seal mine into place. On my friend's bike (later on in another town) we used Permatex® High-Temp Red RTV Silicone Gasket Maker that we bought. Results: on a long day's ride at Interstate speeds mine fell out and his didn't. I think what happenned is that the can gets pretty hot from sustained high speed riding and the Black gasket sealer just softened up enough to let go. The red is is for Hi Temp applications and stayed stiff - so use RED. Fortunately I had the third piece so it was not a problem to do it over, using the right sealer this time.

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Re: A MUCH quieter Remus !!

Wow, first time I've seen this thread. Had my LT with Remus for 3 years and have always wanted to "moderate" the rumble without removing the mod (chip & exhaust). This is now top of my list of to do's. Great discovery, Scott. Thanks for posting way back in '05.

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I had one more thought - maybe the reason mine fell out with the black Silicone is that I used a Titanium tube, not stainless steel. As the titanium can and titanium tube heat up they expand at the same rate (coefficient of themal expansion). Now stainless steel has a HIGHER thermal expansion coefficient (expands with heat FASTER) than the titanium. Result? It would get tighter with heat. So maybe the reason nobody else posted that their mod dropped out was that I am the only one that used a Titanium tube! Now I repeat, use of the Red RTV solved the problem the second time around, but maybe the Titanium tube contributed to it in the first place.

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I just looked up Remus and cannot believe that someone would pay 1200 dollars for a muffler.

WOW!!!
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I just looked up Remus and cannot believe that someone would pay 1200 dollars for a muffler.

WOW!!!
Run, don’t walk but run and sell your bike now!!!!! Never get one again...

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Just Wondering:

I have had the Remus muffler and updated chipset for many years and I have the tubing insert also.

Just wondering if anyone has found a "Quieter" muffler with the same performance charistics as my current Remus / Tubing Insert setup?

I think it might be time to tone it down a little but I dont want to go back to the stock muffler.

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+1 on that. What is the HP gain??

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Just Wondering:

I have had the Remus muffler and updated chipset for many years and I have the tubing insert also.

Just wondering if anyone has found a "Quieter" muffler with the same performance charistics as my current Remus / Tubing Insert setup?

I think it might be time to tone it down a little but I dont want to go back to the stock muffler.

Later

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Change the shape of the outlet tube we are inserting
Gone to a tube slightly crushed on one end in the jaws of my 3 jaw lathe chuck making outlet end look like a odd shaped triangle. It further breaks down the sound waves into 3 parts rather than one ... no power loss either.

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So restricting the airflow further doesnt present any problems??

Any pictures?

If a reduction in airflow is helping with the noise without a penalty in power I wonder what putting on the stock muffler would do? You would still have the chip and headers.....

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Gone to a tube slightly crushed on one end in the jaws of my 3 jaw lathe chuck making outlet end look like a odd shaped triangle. It further breaks down the sound waves into 3 parts rather than one ... no power loss either.
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I wonder what would happen if the stock muffler was re-installed. You would still have the headers and chip installed.

Going to have to give that some thought.

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For one thing the OEM exhaust is one piece, it has no point to separate muffler from collector.
As for changing the outlet shape on add-on tip, it will increase the velocity the gas's leaving the muffler but do very little to actually make more back pressure that effects HP engine is making.
Because the Remus has such a large collector down stream of head pipes and a large volume muffler section it together is like a big surge chamber absorbing the flow by raising it internal pressure ever so slightly.
I get to hear what the outflow of gas's sounds like when up against a cement freeway partition at speed .... more a whoosh sound than a roar.

** Best part is your only fooling around with a replaceable insert that costs squat .... before you say it's too restrictive, try it and come to an educated first hand account of what it does for noise & power

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What this shape idea is based upon is simple sound wave energy dynamics. A sound wave leaving a round hole travels outward like a donut, think a man blowing cigarette smoke rings.
The bent outlet prevents this donut shape sound wave breaking the pulse energy into 3 parts of unequal amplitude .... what you hear no longer has a crisp pop pop to it.

Other pictures are muffer tips I use on ALL my race boat exhausts and been doing so for years practicing the idea of breaking up the shape of the sound wave has been proven to work.

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So restricting the airflow further doesnt present any problems??

Any pictures?

If a reduction in airflow is helping with the noise without a penalty in power I wonder what putting on the stock muffler would do? You would still have the chip and headers.....

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Motorhead:

Thanks for the pics. Thats what great about this board, you can always find someone who has been there / done that and has a better Idea.

Since I am a retired construction guy you would think I could find someone in Seattle with the right 3 jaw lathe LOL...............

I guess I will have to go on a search!

This sounds like the way to go and like you said its cheap urrr costs "Squat"

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For one thing the OEM exhaust is one piece, it has no point to separate muffler from collector.
As for changing the outlet shape on add-on tip, it will increase the velocity the gas's leaving the muffler but do very little to actually make more back pressure that effects HP engine is making.
Because the Remus has such a large collector down stream of head pipes and a large volume muffler section it together is like a big surge chamber absorbing the flow by raising it internal pressure ever so slightly.
I get to hear what the outflow of gas's sounds like when up against a cement freeway partition at speed .... more a whoosh sound than a roar.

** Best part is your only fooling around with a replaceable insert that costs squat .... before you say it's too restrictive, try it and come to an educated first hand account of what it does for noise & power

Side note:
What this shape idea is based upon is simple sound wave energy dynamics. A sound wave leaving a round hole travels outward like a donut, think a man blowing cigarette smoke rings.
The bent outlet prevents this donut shape sound wave breaking the pulse energy into 3 parts of unequal amplitude .... what you hear no longer has a crisp pop pop to it.

Other pictures are muffer tips I use on ALL my race boat exhausts and been doing so for years practicing the idea of breaking up the shape of the sound wave has been proven to work.
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Motorhead:

Thanks for your time today. Attached is my current Remus / Tubing setup.

Yes noise is the enemy now and it looks like earplugs are next on the agenda. I never did like them on the job but they were a necessity and I guess were at that point now.

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Another old post brought back from the dead. I love this forum. I have had my 2000 LT for about 5 years now and put a Remus system on it last year. I belong to the IBA (Iron Butt Association) and this past Saturday I did another 1058 mile ride all in one day. Somebody in this post earlier said he didn't like the loud , low noise made at lower rpm's under open throttle. I agree so tonight I trusted Google and did a search for quieter Remus. To my surprise the answer was right here 4 years ago on our forum. I will stop by my metals place on the way to work in the morning.

I can't wait.

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Another old post brought back from the dead. I love this forum. I have had my 2000 LT for about 5 years now and put a Remus system on it last year. I belong to the IBA (Iron Butt Association) and this past Saturday I did another 1058 mile ride all in one day. Somebody in this post earlier said he didn't like the loud , low noise made at lower rpm's under open throttle. I agree so tonight I trusted Google and did a search for quieter Remus. To my surprise the answer was right here 4 years ago on our forum. I will stop by my metals place on the way to work in the morning.

I can't wait.

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You know that was a long day. Ooops. Nobody has ever been able to tell me how I can go back and edit my mistake. That's 1058 miles.

The good news is I ordered some tubing off the net. In the meantime I found an under sink drain pipe fitting the right size and stuck a 4" piece in place. I went for a ride tonight and it made a difference. That annoying moaning sound at some settings is much reduced. Since it was only a test i did not attempt to secure the tube and after 30 miles when it fell out I could tell the difference. Can't wait for my tubing to arrive

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You know that was a long day.


Years ago, I wanted to put a Remus exhaust system on my war horse but never got around to it. Since it was triked, the stock system modified/adapted and the fact the KLT model exhaust is no longer in production, I guess it's just a pipe dream now! I was hoping it would help mask the "Bucket-O-Bolts" sounds coming from the engine to a more aesthetic exhaust note.

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You know that was a long day. Ooops. Nobody has ever been able to tell me how I can go back and edit my mistake. That's 1058 miles.
Fixed it for you.

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Fixed it for you.
Thank you kind sir.
Now why can't I fix my own post?
Nobody has ever explained how.

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