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post #1 of 41 Old Oct 9th, 2005, 5:34 pm Thread Starter
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Question LT Being eliminated?

Had some service work done on my LT Friday, and the Service Manager suggested that the LT as we know will be phased out. That they may make a RT version of the S. I finally got a BMW with some reasonable rider & passenger comforts yet has the agility that the Harleys and Gold Wings doesn’t. Could BMW really be considering such a move?
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post #2 of 41 Old Oct 9th, 2005, 7:02 pm
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Eliminate what!!!

Well they stopped making the K1100LT's
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the key words are, "as we know it."

think "refinement," not "phased out."

BMW in the last few years has been flexing some real engineering muscle. i wouldn't be surprised to see them launch a new LT with the next-generation motor in a year or two.
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Revised LT

When I was at the BMW store in Munich last October 2004, they seemed to think we were 3 years or so (2007) from a new K12 that would have the new K40 engine in it.

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The current LT will be phased out. Certainly not for 06. BMW has been pretty quick bringing out a bunch of mew models so the LT as we know won't be around much longer. That doesn't present a problem for me-I am keeping the one I have no matter what BMW does with the LT.
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This comes from what have previously been very reliable sources. They were spot on with the HID arriving in the 2006 LT, the release date of the K1200S and R, and have provided credible information on the new F800 and K1200GT.

The current run K1200LT will run through 2007.

A yet unnamed model is rumored to be replacing the K1200LT in the 2008 model year, and will be based on the new K-engine platform. "Lighter" is the operative word that is bandying about.
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"Lighter" is the operative word that is bandying about."

Maybe "lower CG" is also being bandying about?

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As long as it remains a "Luxury Tourer", in the sense that it will stay at the top of the heap to compete with the Wing and others, then "lighter" is good and I am all for it. But if the intent is to evolve it into something we are totally unfamiliar with...something that would appeal more to the sport touring segment, for example...then I for one am not going to like it. Either way, I am still not about to start mounting stuffed animals to the trunk rack!

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Maybe a little K1800LT with a small V-6.
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Maybe a little K1800LT with a small V-6.
I like the way you think!

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Ranger says no to stuffed animals

Uhmmm Mr. Ranger is that better
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Nah, should be on a string behind the bike. Then if anyone asks, you can say you're trollin' for wingers...................
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Not a 6 but the 4 in the Mini Cooper

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I like the way you think!
With optional turbo
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Wonder if that new K engine can be bored out any bigger? Not sure if that would help us in the torque dept. or cause other problems.

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Looks good!!...just having fun with the idea.

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"Wonder if that new K engine can be bored out any bigger?"
Rumor has it there is an"experimental" 1300 cc version testbed for the "tour-version"

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I would be happy with what I would call a K1200RT. I love the 4-cylinder engine, but would like less mass. I love the handling of the R1150RT, but can't stand the twin engine (although I have never tried the R1200 with the balance shaft).

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Lighter would be . . . better.

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Why follow the way of the whale 1800cc? how about more HP with tecnology instead? Or if the cc's go up keep the motor the same weight as the 1200.

The gold wing motor is still a low tech motor compared to the LT's 1200 power plant.

There is reason BMW stands for BAVARIAN MOTOR WORKS. Notice there is no mention of bavarian rear drive works Compared to all other brands mile for long mile what motor last the longest? it sure is not made in Milwaukee.

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Maybe a little K1800LT with a small V-6.
One of the most-discussed issues with current LTs is its notoriously-high CG, and the low-speed handling quirks that result.

I agree a 6 cylinder engine could bring some welcome improvements to the LT, but wishing for that to happen in a V configuration may not be the best idea, since it would mean that a lot of the engine mass would still be up high. The way to get around that is to configure it as a flat six, as with the GL1800.

I in no way mean to infer that I'd like to see the LT be more like the 'Wing; nothing could be further from the truth. But the fact is that keeping weight lower is one thing the LT would benefit from.
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Bigger motor? What for?

With all due respect - you guys who want a bigger motor oughta just go get a wing!

There are plenty of cars running around on no more ccs than the current K12. If our beloved lite truck is short on grunt, it's because it's such a porker, not because the motor's too small.

Just imagine this: you keep the same displacement, improve the motor through a grunch of techno-tweaking, to the point where it'll produce 165 hp or thereabouts. (Sounding familiar?) Now re-tune the engine management program to up the torque / reduce the peak hp a bit. Let's say 130 hp with BAGS of nice low end torque. Now strap that engine in a "light-tech" frame and running gear, say something based on the new K12S / K12R chassis, eh? So you're talking maybe 100+ lb lighter, and WAY lower CG due to the new engine/tranny design. Then give this beast the same ergos, farkles and wind protection as our lite trucks have today. Does this sound like a bike you WOULDN'T want to ride?? You've gotta be joking!

Personally - I can't wait for '08! I'll probably have a deposit down before the first press release hits the streets. I love Helga dearly, but I think her time in my garage is limited!

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in the yeer 2008

it will be a new k 1200 lt 153 hp with the new engin this is the fleg ship dont forget??? i know it for shore
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Compared to all other brands mile for long mile what motor last the longest? it sure is not made in Milwaukee.
It could very well be the one that is made in Ohio.

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That would be the bike that I want, I hope they are listening.

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I would be happy with what I would call a K1200RT. I love the 4-cylinder engine, but would like less mass.
Give me the new K engine, but please don't let 'em screw up the LT's body work like they did with the R1200RT. All that angular "Transformers" stuff ruined one of the most beautiful motorcycles built, IMHO.

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I also hope that they can put the new LT on a diet. Even 120 HP with a lower center of gravity and 100 lb lighter would make an awesome machine in the performance department. Ron
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I prefer the high center of gravity, myself. It makes the bike feel more responsive for such a behemoth. I just moved to the LT from an RT, and I ride with the seat in the high position to keep the top-heavy feel. I originally wanted a Goldwing, but decided against it for this very reason.

But I must concur with the above criticism of the angular crap BMW did to the RT this time. Anything I ride should have nice curves.
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With optional turbo
better yet, twin turbos, one for each bank of pistons.
works well in the likes of toyota soarers and the likes, im sure it would go just as well in a bike engine as well.helps reduce turbo lag
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If they'd come out with a turbo diesel for the LT, I'd buy it in a heart beat AND would pick it over a gosline powered engine. The BMW diesel engines are one of the best on the market.

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so if they discontinus the LT in '08, how long will BMW support the LT for parts? I for one am planning to keep my LT for a few years yet and not planning to get rid of it, unless afew years down the road BMW says no more support for the LT.

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so if they discontinus the LT in '08, how long will BMW support the LT for parts? I for one am planning to keep my LT for a few years yet and not planning to get rid of it, unless afew years down the road BMW says no more support for the LT.
This is no guarantee for the future, but unlike many of the Japanese and Italian mfrs, BMW historically has supported its bikes not only for years, but for *decades*. I still can walk into my dealer and get parts for my wife's 1973 R75/5. Being able to get parts for bikes that go back 36 years (the /5's hit U.S. shores in 1970) seems like a pretty good sign to me.

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so if they discontinus the LT in '08, how long will BMW support the LT for parts?
In Spring '08, I will be buying the "new & improved" LT. At that time, you can buy my '02 and keep it around for spare parts!
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ummm....let me think about that....thanks but no thanks
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Maybe a little K1800LT with a small V-6.

nope, it actually rumored to have a small 8cyl so whip up on the GW


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ok Ok I was kidding, I have no idea don;t care, this is the last LT I will buy, my next bmw will be a GS I'm sure (unless of course i test ride that DAMN GT again!)

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Just add the tupperware and VOIL'A!!!!
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Just add the tupperware and VOIL'A!!!!
Yea...that wheel base is only about 120"!!!
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I'll have the bike Don describes!

The rest of you all can buy a wing and we will have our own Al (aka Skippy aka Ranger6) do a professional-farkle install of the stuffed animals. How does chicken sound?

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