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K12LT - auto signal cancel too long

I have a new 2005 K1200LT, it seems to have cancelling turn signals that take so long to cancel, thet are practically useless. Does anyone know of a way to adjust the hang time on them?
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post #2 of 21 Old Oct 8th, 2005, 8:01 pm
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I think you have a valid point. I don't remember the criteria, seems like there's a distance (and maybe time) built into it. I know as you know just setting still will not cancel, you must be rolling.

I have just forced myself to get into the habit of canceling manually, but it would be nice if there was some easy way to decrease the time/distance.
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I really think that the turn signal cancellation should be tied to the shifter. 2 upshifts and it should cancel. Of course it is not that way, but it would make a lot more sense

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I have a new 2005 K1200LT, it seems to have cancelling turn signals that take so long to cancel, thet are practically useless. Does anyone know of a way to adjust the hang time on them?
No -- it's programmed into the turn signal control module.

I also think they stay on too long. I usually manually shut them off, and rely on the auto function to keep me from looking like a Florida retiree

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No -- it's programmed into the turn signal control module.

I also think they stay on too long. I usually manually shut them off, and rely on the auto function to keep me from looking like a Florida retiree
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... the 'auto cancel' can be turned off using the diagnostic computer, so it might be possible to adjust the delay time also.

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No -- it's programmed into the turn signal control module.

I also think they stay on too long. I usually manually shut them off, and rely on the auto function to keep me from looking like a Florida retiree
Not retired yet, but gosh, we don't pick on hmmmm DC area! But then again . . . .nah, better not!
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Not retired yet, but gosh, we don't pick on hmmmm DC area! But then again . . . .nah, better not!
No indignation from you, young man -- you're still to aware of your surroundings!

And as far as DC is concerned, is there *anything* that goes on up here that isn't either laughable, or makes you shake your head??? Poking fun at DC is like poking fun at ... the obvious.

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Thumbs up signal delay

Dealer told me my 05 had a few ways to auto shut off the signal. while moving, they stay active aprox 22 sec. while at a stop they stay active, after making a turn they stay active for about 22 second. He also said there was a positional switch that if the turn invloved a leaning of any amount, the signal would stop when the bike returned to vert. ( Mine does)
New York requires advance notice of intention to turn and IMOP 22 sec. seems just about right to inform cagers of my intentions. If I give notice to early the termination may confuse followers. On high speed multi lane roads I activate the signal several times to give clear notice of intent. and still have cagers try to cut me off.

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Although my 1983 Honda's self-cancelling turn sugnals worked 500 times better than the LT's, I have found that with time, I have gotten used to the way these work. It's not really that big of a deal, is it? If you want the signal turned off sooner, there is a cancel button ergonomically placed right near your right thumb. Or, with enough patience . . . rumor has it that they actually turn off by themsleves.
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I had ridden my bike for months before I even knew it had self cancelling turn signals. I kept thinking if my old, mid '80's wing had them, why couldn't BMW?
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------- He also said there was a positional switch that if the turn invloved a leaning of any amount, the signal would stop when the bike returned to vert. ( Mine does)
I would sure like to know how that works. Engineers have been trying to come up with a lean angle sensor on motorcycles for years. None have been successful to any reliable extent yet. Has BMW broken the physics code? If anyone has any information on this (if it actually exists) please post it.

It would probably have to include some type of gyro sensor, and there are solid state systems in use now. They have been using relatively inexpensive yaw gyro sensors in radio controled helicopter models for quite some time now. That would likely be the way to go on a motorcycle, sense yaw, not lean.

Ring lasers have been around for years, but would probably cost half as much as the LT.

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The turn signal relay counts pulses from the wheel speed sensor, and shuts off after a predetermined number is reached. The faster you are going, the quicker it shuts off. If you are not moving, there are no pulses to count, so the flasher stays on. On K bikes from 1985 to 2001, the signal came from the speedometer impulse pickup on the final drive. On 2002 and later bikes with integral brakes, the abs system shares the wheel speed impulses with the speedometer and the turn signal relay. The radio also uses the signal to increase the volume as you go faster. As far as I know, the flasher relay can not be reprogrammed to count fewer or more pulses before it shuts off.

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leaning and such

I am just the carrier of the words. Don' shoot me. As to the lean I can tell you my experience. There are several turns On my way to work that require a stop or not. depending on the color of the light. During the times when no stop is required and there is leaning involved druing the turn, as soon as I return to the upright position the signal cancels. It may be because the required counts have been met to cancel, it could also be something as simple as the kind as in an older home heating control device. Liquid conductor stuff inside a glass containment envelope.
That is what my dealer refered to

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My first bike had manual signals. I always had great fun using my left hand to indicate a let hand turn. My girlfriend would join in using her right hand signaling a left hand turn.

My 00 is the first bike Iíve owned with self canceling signals. Guess Iím so used to manual cancel signals that I donít rely upon self canceling.

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I was told that it goes by a distance after you hit the button. If your not moving, it will stay on, once you start moving, then it shuts off after a few tenths. 04 K 1200LT
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post #19 of 21 Old Nov 26th, 2005, 3:29 pm
 
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I have an 05. I have come to the conclusion that there is no pattern to if and when my signals will go off. I always use the cancel switch. It is not a big deal. Still I wonder why BMW has had problem getting the signals to turn off properly.

I have a VROD that have signals that work perfectly. After you turn the signal goes off, every time.
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Steve, my 2000 flashes 13 to 14 times, then cancels. When changing lanes, I let it flash 5 times before changing lanes or making a turn. It then turns off timely. It is based on full revolutions of the rear wheel. In close in city riding, I will turn it off manually.

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Ask Harley-they work better

I have a VROD that have signals that work perfectly. After you turn the signal goes off, every time.[/QUOTE]

I had forgotten about my Ultra Classic turn signals cancel working better than the BMW. Also the headlight is worlds better. But the LT has a lot more pluses.
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