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I am not an owner yet, but looking at a 2006 K1200 LT. Found this website and it's wealth of information while looking for reviews...thanks to all of you. I have a simple question...before I buy, what five questions should I ask the dealer that would give me the most information about this model and specific motorcycle?

Knowing what you know about your bike, what would you ask and why?

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Re: What five questions should I ask the dealership?

1. Service history?
Obvious - pending mileage anbd issues a ton of technical questions will ensue.

2. Can they arrange for an after market Warranty?
Always trying to get a warranty - unless you are a wrench.
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- ones that drop the bike off at the dealer, don't wine and rarely post
- ones that drop the bike off at the dealer, wine and post all the time
- ones that the dealer never sees the bike (me) and posts how to fix and cope !!

3. How long can I take the bike for a test ride . . .
BMW renowned for letting customers ride the bike

4. Can you arrange financing from BMW
First BMW K1200LT I bought with BMW financing was 0.9% (free money practically)
their rates often beat credits unions - if your paying cash - never mind.

5. Are the rims within specification ?
Bought a used 2010 BMW from a BMW dealer only to discover that it had a bent front
rim 6 months later - hard to detect unless you lift the bike up and spin the wheel.

6. What discounts can you get for apparel?
Obvious - unless you are already outfitted!!

I am sure others will pop in for more technical issues

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Re: What five questions should I ask the dealership?

Any oil leak evidence at all on the engine or transmission, ask if the dealer will do a complete clutch replacement, seal replacement and while they are in there slave replacement for free, or will they drop the price by whatever they quote to fix those problems. (about $2600 now)

If not run away from the bike as fast as you can.

Do not take their word for it, get on the floor with a mirror and a very good flashlight.

Honestly, asking them questions is limited, they will not tell you about any problems the bike has. I ran away from a 2005 LT in a dealer here that needed from what I could easily tally up about $4500 in repairs. They begged me to make an offer and I refused to even offer an insulting price because you could tell it was not maintained. (it had a ton of dirt under the seat and looked like it was stored under a tree without a cover) Dealer was asking $9600 for it.

Note: there are a LOT of used LT's out there, expand your search to a 400 miles out or more. I found an awesome like new one 450 miles away and had the best ride of my life riding it back home.

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I am not an owner yet, but looking at a 2006 K1200 LT. Found this website and it's wealth of information while looking for reviews...thanks to all of you. I have a simple question...before I buy, what five questions should I ask the dealer that would give me the most information about this model and specific motorcycle?

Knowing what you know about your bike, what would you ask and why?

Thanks in advance,
Bob
Ask them how they will respond if you do much of your own work and want to bring in a part which requires an operation with a special tool. I was installing a CB several years ago and needed a connector pin removed fom the radio. This required a pin extractor size I could not find locally. I called my dealer to make an appointment to bring in the radio to have the pin removed and the service manager told me to go buy my own special BMW tools like he had to if I wanted to do my own work.

Haven't been back there since.

If you don't plan to do your own work, then this isn't relevant. However, you will then need a very fat wallet.

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Cool Re: What five questions should I ask the dealership?

Great responses all, thanks much. Hoping they have the full service record, since it was a local bike.

I've pretty much zeroed in on this model, and want to purchase between now and next Spring, so I've got time if this one isn't the "one."

Anyone else want to chime in?

Thanks again,
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Re: What five questions should I ask the dealership?

some simple things to check yourself, other than asking a stealer...

- check whether the locking pins in the trunk are cut through (or partly cut).. shows overloaded pressure on closing the trunk lid... which could lead to the next item
- check the trunk locking mechanism isn't cracked at either of the top corners (there's a fix, but like always $$$)
- check under the seat that the rear suspension adjuster moves freely to add or remove pre-load. Depending on k's on bike, might be nearing replacing the shocks or at least springs to get a good ride.
- check that the EHCS (electric centrestand) works as expected, ie, will lift the bike freely when not touching the brakes... if it hesitates at all it probably needs a new motor (cheap fix) or at worst an overhaul and new oil... dealers wont do this.
- check if the rear brake rotor is clanging and very loose
- check the fairings around dash. particularly at the edges near the mirrors, for cracks
- check if the mirrors are "tethered" internally with zip-ties or some sort of tie-line... you won't know unless you "pop" them off.
- as mentioned above, check both wheels spin freely with no wobble... otherwise could be a bent rim
- check if the seat is comfortable for you.. many replace it with an aftermarket recover for comfort to get the best mileage pleasure from the bike
- 2006 will already have Xenon headlamp for low beam

Thats a few... probably a miriad of other "little things" that can add up costs..

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Re: What five questions should I ask the dealership?

Above list very inclusive
check tires, rear runs abt 180 plus installing it.
How soon will the shockss need to be replaced--parts are over $1,100 and tons of labour.
when is the next major service
Inspect very carefully the joint between the bell housing an engine--NO signs of seepage!
Many times one of the arms that raises and lowers the windshield needs to be replaced after the bike is dropped. the windshield is designed to pop out of the arm; sometimes the tabe that keeps it in place gets broken. You cannot buy a replacment arm, rather entire assembly with the motor!!!

Ask if the have a dental plan to cover all of the bugs squashed into ur teeth from the big grin when u ride.

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Ask if the have a dental plan to cover all of the bugs squashed into ur teeth from the big grin when u ride.

bob

I like that...


...except we don't get no bugs in our teeth... well, very rarely anyway. love that windshield.

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Re: What five questions should I ask the dealership?

If the bike has been dealer serviced there are records that can be accessed via the VIN #.
Ask the dealer to run the service history.
I believe that any dealer can access the records if the VIn is provided.

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Thanks again everyone...will be back once I meet the bike...

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Re: What five questions should I ask the dealership?

It would probably help to know what you plan to do with your bike. Are you willing and able to work on it yourself? Or are you going to depend on the dealer or other tech?

If you were going to depend on the dealer for service and repair, I'd really lean toward a warranty of some sort. I also wonder if you could get the dealer to offer you some sort of "limited" warranty so that you won't be surprised by a failing clutch or final drive immediately after the purchase. Would the dealer be willing to offer you, say, 30 days of riding and stand behind anything you might find in that initial period? Probably not, but wouldn't hurt to ask
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