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Was thinking it would have happened last year, but a broken ankle cut the season short only got 8,000 miles last year. Then last weekend thought it would happen but some red idiot lights encouraged me to come straight home, missed by 100 miles. After a trailer ride to the shop and back took the OLD girl and my wife out for a spin and hit 300,000 miles. Wife didn't have camera with so don't have a picture but it was fun watching all those 99999's roll to 00000 for the third time.

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Congrats, Jeff! Congrats, too, to your LT!

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I was just wondering how many clutchs;;finals;ABS have been put in.
I have to say you do put some miles on a bike; GREAT JOB;
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Clutches I believe three, not due to wear but had it open for rear main seal each time and was just the cost of parts (preventative maintanence.

No ABS units yet.

Finale drive I believe it is 4, but was only left on the road once about 10 miles from home. All other times discovered metal on the lube change.

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Congratulations! Good maintenance (including proactive maintenance) and good driving brings it's rewards.

I noticed that you have mentioned that you replaced 4 final drives - Question -
were the FD's replaced with OEM units, or were they reworked (re-shimed, etc) by someone who rebuilds them within the specifications we see posted in this forum?

Another question - you mentioned that your ABS unit has not failed. That's great. I have to assume you bleed the brakes religiously, but I am curious if you have used only the OEM brake lines, or have you now or ever used (stainless) steel brake lines such as the Spiegler type? I recently put the Spiegler kit on my bike and posted on this forum some conflicting information from BMW vs Spiegler on this subject concerning the possible harm to the ABS unit. Your experience would be enlightening. Thanks in advance.

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Captain Wayne,

Regarding the FD's I only had one rebuilt by the shop and it failed the soonest, the rest were new units.

Regarding the brake lines I had them replaced with Spiegler a number of years ago with no issues to date. I do have the system flushed every 12,000 mile service which the mechanic says may be over-kill but I like how they feel with new fuild.

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That's pretty kool Jeff, I've enjoyed reading some of your trip reports & pic's in the past.

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Clutches I believe three, not due to wear but had it open for rear main seal each time and was just the cost of parts (preventative maintanence.

No ABS units yet.

Finale drive I believe it is 4, but was only left on the road once about 10 miles from home. All other times discovered metal on the lube change.
WOW this is quite an achievement - I have seen many K1200 with 120 to 150K miles, but very few will get to 300K miles.

As I do all my maintenance, may I ask:
1) Have you replaced the timing-chain guides ?
2) Is it the original timing-chain ?
3) Is the cylinder-head and valves all originals ?
4) Does the engine burn a lot of oil ?
5) Have you replaced any other components like starter, alternator, fuel-pump ?

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Was thinking it would have happened last year, but a broken ankle cut the season short only got 8,000 miles last year. Then last weekend thought it would happen but some red idiot lights encouraged me to come straight home, missed by 100 miles. After a trailer ride to the shop and back took the OLD girl and my wife out for a spin and hit 300,000 miles. Wife didn't have camera with so don't have a picture but it was fun watching all those 99999's roll to 00000 for the third time.
So you must either be retired or a traveling salesman!

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Captain Wayne,

Regarding the FD's I only had one rebuilt by the shop and it failed the soonest, the rest were new units.

Regarding the brake lines I had them replaced with Spiegler a number of years ago with no issues to date. I do have the system flushed every 12,000 mile service which the mechanic says may be over-kill but I like how they feel with new fuild.
Any idea what your cost per mile is? I did some back of the envelope calculations as I was pondering the clutch replacement project facing me this winter. The result was truly depressing. My 2007 LT has 38,000 miles and has cost me more than 80 cents per mile ... Almost exactly as much as my 1967 Cessna 182 cost per mile! I thought I was saving money by selling my airplane and spending more time on the bike. So far, not really!

At least you have WELL amortized your purchase price!

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Congrats to you, your wife, and the bike. amazing milage.

I'm about to turn over 13,000 on my 05 LT. Not even broken in yet.

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errrrrr that's a lot of miles.
I did not think America was that big. OK and Canada. Guess the commercial was made with you in mind mile after mile after mile I enjoyed many of your picture trips.
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Was thinking it would have happened last year, but a broken ankle cut the season short only got 8,000 miles last year. Then last weekend thought it would happen but some red idiot lights encouraged me to come straight home, missed by 100 miles. After a trailer ride to the shop and back took the OLD girl and my wife out for a spin and hit 300,000 miles. Wife didn't have camera with so don't have a picture but it was fun watching all those 99999's roll to 00000 for the third time.
Nice...just nice
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So you must either be retired or a traveling salesman!
Ditto. I wish I had that kind of time off to ride. BTW Jeff, how many months/years do you figure it's taken you to chalk up that many miles? Congratulations on your milestone. That's quite a feat.

Voyager, your post re: the cost per mile compared to a Cessna is not encouraging at all.

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Any idea what your cost per mile is? I did some back of the envelope calculations as I was pondering the clutch replacement project facing me this winter. The result was truly depressing. My 2007 LT has 38,000 miles and has cost me more than 80 cents per mile ... Almost exactly as much as my 1967 Cessna 182 cost per mile! I thought I was saving money by selling my airplane and spending more time on the bike. So far, not really!

At least you have WELL amortized your purchase price!
My highest cost per mile has never reached 12 cents on my LT's per year & that includes buying unnecessary accessories.

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My highest cost per mile has never reached 12 cents on my LT's per year & that includes buying unnecessary accessories.
Are you including "capital" costs or just operational costs? If I exclude the purcahse price, riding gear, etc., the cost per mile is much less. My airplane costs were "all in" so I did the same for the LT.

Operational costs alone would be much less. The airplane cost MUCH more per mile for fuel, but that was offset by the fact that after 6 years and 400 hours of flying, I sold it for MORE than I had paid for it. That will not happen with the LT.

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Are you including "capital" costs or just operational costs? If I exclude the purcahse price, riding gear, etc., the cost per mile is much less. My airplane costs were "all in" so I did the same for the LT.

Operational costs alone would be much less. The airplane cost MUCH more per mile for fuel, but that was offset by the fact that after 6 years and 400 hours of flying, I sold it for MORE than I had paid for it. That will not happen with the LT.
Good point. Don't forget to add insurance, registration, inspection fees, etc.

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Was thinking it would have happened last year, but a broken ankle cut the season short only got 8,000 miles last year. Then last weekend thought it would happen but some red idiot lights encouraged me to come straight home, missed by 100 miles. After a trailer ride to the shop and back took the OLD girl and my wife out for a spin and hit 300,000 miles. Wife didn't have camera with so don't have a picture but it was fun watching all those 99999's roll to 00000 for the third time.
I am hoping to see this happen even once, but I am not sure I can afford enough rebuilds to get that far. FD rebuilt this year at 37K and now clutch is slipping at 38K so will be doing that this winter.

300K is an impressive milestone. Even 100K is good for us mere mortals!

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Good point. Don't forget to add insurance, registration, inspection fees, etc.
I track my expenses in MS Money so I have EVERYTHING related to the LT in there. Special tools, everything. Same for all of my vehicles. The LT is my most expensive land vehicle by at least a factor of two and probably. I will have to check the others, but I am sure they are all under 40 cents per mile.

I am still surprised it nearly matched the airplane ... And that had all service done by a professional. If I had paid a dealer for all of my maintenance and repairs, the LT would likely exceed the plane cost.

The single biggest airplane cost was fuel and that was only 25 cents per mile back when I owned the plane pre-Obama. Now it would cost 50+ cents per mile to fuel a 182.

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Q. Why fixate on cost.
The figures Jsr rolled up are staggering. 300,000 miles on the same machine. My first thought was Wow that must have been lots of fun. Speaking for myself I got my bike to seek adventure and have a lot of fun/enjoyment in the bargain. I had resigned the thought that I was going to spend crazy money on this particular item as long as it could give me what I was looking for . . . . longevity. So what Jsr has done shows me there is hope someday to see that threshold. Many here do their own work and keep cost down I on the other hand depend on my dealer. My last 7400 mile trip gas,camp/motel, food, rear tire change I totaled up the bills only to pay the correct amount. Now that that's done I scroll through my pictures and recount all the great things I enjoyed and I got back home safely. I rode solo and kept telling myself I can do it.
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A. Because some of us (speaking for myself now) are nerds. I like tracking data, looking for trends and patterns, etc. Some people track baseball statistics; I track things centered around my bike, and not just expenses. I keep track of weather, temperature, miles/tire, gear, etc.; keeping track of expenses is just another sheet in an Excel workbook.

I hear what you are saying and ultimately I agree with you. We own a bike, we should enjoy life with it, and I think most of us do.

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Q. Why fixate on cost.
The figures Jsr rolled up are staggering. 300,000 miles on the same machine. My first thought was Wow that must have been lots of fun. Speaking for myself I got my bike to seek adventure and have a lot of fun/enjoyment in the bargain. I had resigned the thought that I was going to spend crazy money on this particular item as long as it could give me what I was looking for . . . . longevity. So what Jsr has done shows me there is hope someday to see that threshold. Many here do their own work and keep cost down I on the other hand depend on my dealer. My last 7400 mile trip gas,camp/motel, food, rear tire change I totaled up the bills only to pay the correct amount. Now that that's done I scroll through my pictures and recount all the great things I enjoyed and I got back home safely. I rode solo and kept telling myself I can do it.
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Who is fixated on cost?

I track my expenses and things like fuel mileage for several reasons:

1. I can see trends that may highlight an approaching problem before it gets way more expensive to fix or worse yet leaves me stranded in Saskatoon.
2. Monitoring my expenses and investments has given me much more discretionary funds for fun things like airplanes and motorcycles.
3. The more fun per dollar I can have means the more fun I can have.
4. There isn't much else to do during our 4-5 month long winters!


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I met Jeff his wife and the dog that then had over a hundred thousand miles on the LT,
at a gas station somewhere in Colorado a few years ago,

That's an impressive amount of miles on one bike Jeff,
It's taken me 20-25 years to log that many BMW miles
but I've gone through six bikes in the process,

I used to check out your homepage from time to time, love all the pictures,
but somehow when I try to go there now (in my favorites) as well as under your forum profile
it sends me to a cable one advertisement,
could you give me and some of your forum friends an updated link, please.
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...I hear what you are saying and ultimately I agree with you. We own a bike, we should enjoy life with it, and I think most of us do.
Well, I guess I'll admit I don't have a Swiss bank account overflowing with dough, so that's why I don't have a Cessna parked in the garage. If I ever realize the bike is costly me airplane kind of money, then I'll start taking flying lessons.

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Very nice... congrats.

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I have to offer my congrats too. That's a lot of miles with a lot of perseverance. It also makes me feel more confident in the machine I have.

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Hans,

The internet service I am using has removed the web page hosting so will work on that this winter. Also good to hear from another old timer, by the way I believe it was Idaho Springs, CO when you were bringing a replacement LT home after a wildlife encounter. Hope all is well.

p.s. went over 301,000 last weekend

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Now my question is, how long do you plan on riding the LT? Do you do your own repairs or does a dealer maintain it for you? Mine has 127k on it and I don't know how much longer I can keep the repairs up on it. I think I am out of repair money. It is still the most fun to ride of any bikes I have owned.

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Have no idea how long I will continue to ride it, I feel they are kind of like airplanes that can go on forever with good maintenance. I do very limited service myself, majority has been done by Gina's BMW Motorcycles of Iowa City, IA. They have always been fair to me and understand that I want things right and that I know that it may cost some money. This is why we work, so we can play.

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I Love my LT but selling the 182 if I owned one would not be on the list of things to do.

I would find a partner for the 182 to get married too LOL......Thats a tough one sometimes!

Later Steve


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Any idea what your cost per mile is? I did some back of the envelope calculations as I was pondering the clutch replacement project facing me this winter. The result was truly depressing. My 2007 LT has 38,000 miles and has cost me more than 80 cents per mile ... Almost exactly as much as my 1967 Cessna 182 cost per mile! I thought I was saving money by selling my airplane and spending more time on the bike. So far, not really!

At least you have WELL amortized your purchase price!
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