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I just had one of those infamous valve stem failures on my back tire today thinking about taking the tire to the local harley dealer for a metal valve stem does anybody now whether they can do that for me or am I going to have to take it to my Bmw dealer an hour away any advice would be appreciated
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They should be able to handle it with no problem.


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I get the local Honda dealer to do all my tire work. I'm sure HD can handle it for the right price. I had one of those failures as well. It cost me $105 to have it towed and the valve stem replaced..........

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I get the local Honda dealer to do all my tire work. I'm sure HD can handle it for the right price. I had one of those failures as well. It cost me $105 to have it towed and the valve stem replaced..........
i lucked out it started going flat on me about a mile out from the house, so I was able to limp home. I am hoping the HD dealer can do it reasonably since they are the closes to me.
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Re: valve stem failure

does anybody know off hand what size hole this rim has I thought i read a link that said it was .453 is that right .
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does anybody know off hand what size hole this rim has I thought i read a link that said it was .453 is that right .
That's correct.
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thanks chris i think i will order a pair
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Just go to your local Auto parts store & pick up a set on the short valve stems. I've installed dozens of them on tires over the last few years. A set of 2 cost about 6 bucks.

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While you are at it, go with the ones that are short, stubby and bent between 90 and 45 degrees. It will make checking and filling a whole lot easier.

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yea going to go ahead and do it myself called hales harley davidson a dealer pretty close to me to see if they would do it if i dropped off the tire, the service manager told me they don't work on bmw and don't know anything about our tires or rims I asked him are you kidding me its just a tire and valve stem I can even give you the size you'll need. sorry can't help ya. Wow now I know why I don't ride a harley.

Ok sorry for the rant does anybody know if you can get to the valve stem easy enough by just using a C - clamp to break the bead without taking the tire off the rim.
thanks for the help guys
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It's a tight squeeze but you should be able to compress the bead far enough once it is unseated to swap it out. Be careful not to leave any old stem parts inside the tire.


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yea going to go ahead and do it myself called hales harley davidson a dealer pretty close to me to see if they would do it if i dropped off the tire, the service manager told me they don't work on bmw and don't know anything about our tires or rims I asked him are you kidding me its just a tire and valve stem I can even give you the size you'll need. sorry can't help ya. Wow now I know why I don't ride a harley.

Ok sorry for the rant does anybody know if you can get to the valve stem easy enough by just using a C - clamp to break the bead without taking the tire off the rim.
thanks for the help guys
C-clamp and a short piece of 1X4 should do it. I would try it without removing the wheel, just put it in gear when you reach the right position.

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Just some FYI. I had to file the center lip on my rim to get the metal valve stem to seat properly. I do not know if you will have to do the same thing.

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ok thanks guys going to give it a shot
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Just some FYI. I had to file the center lip on my rim to get the metal valve stem to seat properly. I do not know if you will have to do the same thing.

I chose to go out to the lathe to make suitable spacers out of stainless.

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I chose to go out to the lathe to make suitable spacers out of stainless.

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Just some FYI. I had to file the center lip on my rim to get the metal valve stem to seat properly. I do not know if you will have to do the same thing.
Interesting... didn't have to do that with the ones I installed, they sealed just fine as was. I bought 4 or 5 pairs and on-shipped them around to a few of the other guys over here.

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FYI, my son is a BMW auto tech and he does all my tires for me. He installed the metal BMW car stems for me a few years ago with no alterations needed to the rim. He did tell me to make sure not to use metal valve caps as they will seize onto the stems.

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yea going to go ahead and do it myself called hales harley davidson a dealer pretty close to me to see if they would do it if i dropped off the tire, the service manager told me they don't work on bmw and don't know anything about our tires or rims I asked him are you kidding me its just a tire and valve stem I can even give you the size you'll need. sorry can't help ya. Wow now I know why I don't ride a harley.

Ok sorry for the rant does anybody know if you can get to the valve stem easy enough by just using a C - clamp to break the bead without taking the tire off the rim.
thanks for the help guys
A 2X4 and 2 VERY stout C-clamps (and padding) work just great. Don't overtighten the new stems - and the ones from Curvy Girl fit great without any mods.


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FYI, my son is a BMW auto tech and he does all my tires for me. He installed the metal BMW car stems for me a few years ago with no alterations needed to the rim. He did tell me to make sure not to use metal valve caps as they will seize onto the stems.
In Arizona we would never dream of using plastic valve caps.... only metal with o-rings.

Then again - road salt is not an issue.


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That's correct.
I installed these.. http://kurveygirl.com/shop/product_i...products_id=71
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Thoughts on these stems available through Amazon?

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go to patchboy.com and search item 17-559

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go to patchboy.com and search item 17-559

$1.30 ea
Now you tell me! I bought KurveyGirls for $10. You warned me to get the metal ones when I came to pick up the brake funnel, but I haven't yet. This stem failure post reminded me.

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Now you tell me! I bought KurveyGirls for $10. You warned me to get the metal ones when I came to pick up the brake funnel, but I haven't yet. This stem failure post reminded me.

The only problem with the Patchboy stem is that you have to make a larger pocket on your rim or make an appropriate sized spacer out of stainless or brass.

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In Arizona we would never dream of using plastic valve caps.... only metal with o-rings.

Then again - road salt is not an issue.
Salt no!
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KurvyGirl ones mentioned in pos 6 also have nuts on inside.

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KurvyGirl ones mentioned in pos 6 also have nuts on inside.
... And sometimes nuts on the outside .... doing the install but they work fine...even with Slime slopping around in there too.

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One year ago the local BMW dealer installed a new front tire on the rim for me. I never even thought to ask or check if they replaced the valve stem.

Yesterday I went ride and discovered a flat front tire. Lucky this happened in the garage and not trekking down the Interstate. The leaking valve stem was halfway out of the hole and coming apart.

Calling them, they stated they never replace the valve stem unless it's leaking. I was a bit shocked. They cost about 75 cents. A new tire is sure not worth much going done the road if the valve stem is old and fails.

Question. The weight of the metal stems are about 1/2 ounce heavier than the rubber stems. Is that enough difference that I should rebalance the wheel after installing metal stems?

Many thanks!

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Yes, rebalance the tire/wheel assembly. While you likely would never notice the difference, it's already off the bike so why not?


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Thanks for your reply. I'm replacing valve stem without removing the wheel. If that 1/2 oz. is important I'll just install a rubber one and save the metal for when a new tire goes on.

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Put the metal one on and don't worry about it. If it is out of balance enough to notice then you have other problems.

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If you pull the calipers and jack the front end up, you can just balance it on the bike. Heavy part falls to the bottom. Put your weights on with scotch or masking tape until you figure out the correct amount. Might start with 1/2 ounce.


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One year ago the local BMW dealer installed a new front tire on the rim for me. I never even thought to ask or check if they replaced the valve stem.

Yesterday I went ride and discovered a flat front tire. Lucky this happened in the garage and not trekking down the Interstate. The leaking valve stem was halfway out of the hole and coming apart.

Calling them, they stated they never replace the valve stem unless it's leaking. I was a bit shocked. They cost about 75 cents. A new tire is sure not worth much going done the road if the valve stem is old and fails.

Question. The weight of the metal stems are about 1/2 ounce heavier than the rubber stems. Is that enough difference that I should rebalance the wheel after installing metal stems?

Many thanks!
I was told the same thing from my dealer .when i replaced my stems I decided to use dyna beads in my tires so balance wasn't a issue and longer.
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Personally, I would always rebalance even with the Slime inside to help auto-balance the wheel. Easy enough if you have your own setup (eg Marc Parnes balancer) to do it.

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yea going to go ahead and do it myself called hales harley davidson a dealer pretty close to me to see if they would do it if i dropped off the tire, the service manager told me they don't work on bmw and don't know anything about our tires or rims I asked him are you kidding me its just a tire and valve stem I can even give you the size you'll need. sorry can't help ya. Wow now I know why I don't ride a harley.

Ok sorry for the rant does anybody know if you can get to the valve stem easy enough by just using a C - clamp to break the bead without taking the tire off the rim.
thanks for the help guys
Hale's and McCunes told me the same thing. I took mine to Boomers Powersports on Park Ave East. 35.00 to RR and balance the tire (Wheel off the bike).
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Hale's and McCunes told me the same thing. I took mine to Boomers Powersports on Park Ave East. 35.00 to RR and balance the tire (Wheel off the bike).
thanks I will keep that for future reference
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Re: valve stem failure

STANDARD PROCEDURE is a new valve stem with every new tire.

Not with latest TPMS systems, but that's not applicable here.

Your car, too.

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