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post #1 of 20 Old Jan 22nd, 2013, 3:37 pm Thread Starter
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Telelevar trouble again

Not quite a year since I replaced the ball joint on the fork bridge for the telelevar . I'm starting to think that this might be a recall problem ?! This will be the second time in a year that this happened . Has this occurred with anyone else ?

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What has happened to it? Torn boot? Loose?

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Re: Telelevar trouble again

Just as the last time , the head of the bolt sheared off . I was heading down the highway the other day , believe I hit a small pothole at @ 65mph, I think that's when it happened . Anyway , part is 118.00 $ , I'll fix it myself !

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post #5 of 20 Old Jan 22nd, 2013, 6:48 pm
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Re: Telelevar trouble again

I've hit the front pretty hard before on a bridge in the Smokies that was being worked on. I need to closely inspect mine now. I've not heard of this before.
Anyone know if there "could" be another issue to look at ? Strange........

On a side note, I installed 40 wt oil in the damper recently. It SURE helped when I hit a patch of ice after our recent snowfall last week. I hit a curb (glancingly) after a violent double tank slapper that was halted after the damper took over. Big girl is pretty nimble when needed.

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I crashed my 2000 LT a few weeks ago hard enough to push the tire into the lower engine cover & the ball joint is still fine. Other than the torn boot I see no other damage. It bent the control arm so bad that I could hardly turn the handle bars because the ball joint was so bound up.

That was the scariest 50 mile ride home I ever had. With the forks bent in so much & the handle bars so stiff it was hard to get the balance from a dead stop & the bike darted hard left & right all the way home. Talk about quick steering.

Anyway I'd like to see some Pic's of your ball joint.

I'll show you mine if you'll show me yours.

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Re: Telelevar trouble again

From your earlier posts I take it you had the dealer install the last ball joint on the fork bridge but you installed the nut on top of it? If so did you use green loctite and torque it to 95 ft lbs (130 Nm)? Did the nut come off or did the shaft of the ball joint fracture and break off? Did you use the slotted socket to torque the nut?

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All this talk of sharing pictures of balls and joints is making me nervous.

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I crashed my 2000 LT a few weeks ago...
In the immortal words of Joe, Messenger 13,

"This why we can't have nice things!"

First me, now you. That LT is tired of getting knocked around!

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In the immortal words of Joe, Messenger 13,

"This why we can't have nice things!"

First me, now you. That LT is tired of getting knocked around!
It takes it's licking's & keeps on ticking.

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Re: Telelevar trouble again

BMW parts are guaranteed 2 yrs.

Ask for a new one.

Watch closer for pot holes, but I know sometimes they sneak up, I've bottomed out several times (once hard enought to losen a mirror) but never heard of this issue.

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Re: Telelevar trouble again

The replacement was done by a local bike shop . Just as with the first occurance , the threaded portion of the stem sheared off . They did the work on the ball joint in total . I had removed the Tupperware and purchase the part myself from MaxBmw. When I removed the fork bridge today , loctite everywhere . Not sure what to think , however , I'll fix it and move on .

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Doug, it that true about the 2 year guarantee ? I had purchased the part from MaxBmw at $118.00 . I would love a free one !

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If you hit a pot hole and sheared a bolt you should have also bent the front rim as well.Rims
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The replacement was done by a local bike shop . Just as with the first occurance , the threaded portion of the stem sheared off . They did the work on the ball joint in total . I had removed the Tupperware and purchase the part myself from MaxBmw. When I removed the fork bridge today , loctite everywhere . Not sure what to think , however , I'll fix it and move on .
Thanks for the info. If they did not get the nut tight but had loctite on it it could have hammered its way to a shear failure if it was just a tad loose. It woud be interesting to see a picture of the sheared bolt surface to see if a stress crack formed. Very rare to see this, and twice on the same bike begs for a causal factor.

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J.Z. ,
It's interesting that you should say that .
Spoke with MaxBmw yesterday , and was told that most likely the "A" frame was probably bent . $1700.00 repair , that was the quote over the phone . Warranty not honored because of underlying problem ,"bent A frame " .
After speaking with a friend , I went looking for stress marks at the bend of the frame we're the probable damage would be . None . Seemed to come to realize the same conclusion the you did about the torque down .
John Z. , if you would like me to mail the old ball joint for your collection , P.M. me with your address .

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Too loose or too tight. Either way will get you in trouble just like lug bolts. Too tight and they strip or shear (sometimes all at once), too loose and they come out. I think John is likely onto the cause as a local shop may not have understood the need for proper torque on that part.


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Re: Telelevar trouble again

Another question ,
Is the use of the 7 mm Allen wrench in the top end of the bolt to keep the unit from spinning when tightening the hex nut ?

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If you had the local BMW shop in Montgomeryville do the work I would go back to them, the owner Bob is great and I have had several issues which they took care off with no problem.
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Another question ,
Is the use of the 7 mm Allen wrench in the top end of the bolt to keep the unit from spinning when tightening the hex nut ?
Yes, that is the only way to get the torque accurate. That is why the special socket is specified in the manual.

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