Clutch teardown..twice in one week. - BMW Luxury Touring Community
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 15 Old Nov 25th, 2012, 1:18 pm Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, USA
Posts: 13
Clutch teardown..twice in one week.

Hooray me..

Working on TexasRider's bike. I finished putting everything back together after replacing the clutch, clutch slave cylinder, and rear main seal. The rear main seal had originally let go and caused the clutch to slip. It wasn't pretty. The clutch slave cylinder was showing signs of beginning to go as well, so I replaced it too.

Got everything put back together, put 50 miles on it trouble free. Started to make the 400 mile trek south to return the LT and pickup my RT, and the clutch started slipping worse than it was before 50 miles in. So, something went awry at less than 100 miles of use.

I took everything back apart *again*. Only took me 5 hours this time. I could beat book time at this rate! haha!

The brand new clutch slave cylinder failed! ARGH! Hydraulic fluid *everywhere*. I purchased the clutch slave from an online supplier well known to all of us in the BMW community. I'm going to give them a call on Monday and have them send me a new clutch slave. I'm going to also see if I can get them to send me a new clutch plate also, since I just ruined a brand new one thanks to their clutch slave that failed

Hopefully they will take care of this. From things I've read and heard in the past, I think they will, so I will give them the chance to make things right.

*Keeping fingers crossed tomorrow doesn't turn into a drama filled nightmare*
g-rex is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 15 Old Nov 25th, 2012, 1:23 pm
Senior Member
 
sheldan2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: kings mountain, NC, usa
Posts: 2,099
Re: Clutch teardown..twice in one week.

Good luck with that. Sucks a lot to do it once, never mind about twice.

Courage doesn't always roar. Sometimes it is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying " I'll try again tomorrow".


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
sheldan2 is offline  
post #3 of 15 Old Nov 25th, 2012, 1:47 pm
Senior Member
 
fpmlt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 2,175
Re: Clutch teardown..twice in one week.

Any thoughts or ideas as to why the new on failed?
fpmlt is offline  
 
post #4 of 15 Old Nov 25th, 2012, 1:54 pm Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, USA
Posts: 13
Re: Clutch teardown..twice in one week.

No clue. I wish I knew. Only thing I can chalk it up to is a bad new unit. Rare I'm sure, but unfortunately I got it.

I bolted it and bled it per the manual before I put anything else on the bike. After I got everything together *just* enough to ride it, I zip-tied the license place to the subframe and took it around the block for a mile to make sure nothing was slipping and all was well. That test ride checked out perfect, as did the next ride of 50 miles or so. One day after that 50 mile ride is when I left to return the bike. 50 miles into THAT ride is when all hell broke loose.
g-rex is offline  
post #5 of 15 Old Nov 25th, 2012, 3:06 pm
Senior Member
 
fpmlt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 2,175
Re: Clutch teardown..twice in one week.

What popped in my mind was a problem with the rod (not sure of the tech name) that the slave pushes. Could that be installed wrong, or worn in a manner that would make it too short, allowing the slave valve to over extend and "pop" or bleed past it's normal extended position?
I've had mine out, but don't recall enough to know if that makes any sense at all.
fpmlt is offline  
post #6 of 15 Old Nov 25th, 2012, 3:29 pm
Senior Member
 
hallzee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Gold Country, CA, USA
Posts: 2,571
Re: Clutch teardown..twice in one week.

Quote:
Originally Posted by fpmlt
What popped in my mind was a problem with the rod (not sure of the tech name) that the slave pushes. Could that be installed wrong, or worn in a manner that would make it too short, allowing the slave valve to over extend and "pop" or bleed past it's normal extended position?
I've had mine out, but don't recall enough to know if that makes any sense at all.
The push rod pretty much goes in only "one way". Notch (shoulder) on the rearward side is much smaller, so if you put it in backwards, you wouldn't be able top get the slave back on at all. If in backwards, the rod protrudes too much.

Brian
CCR: 2008, Midway; 2011, Boise; 2012, Duluth; 2014, Chattanooga. MOA: Billings, 2015; SLC, 2017
CCR-R: 2018, Russellville
'13 K1600 GTL-P - "Eva"
Sold but "beloved" ride: K12 LT - "Pepe"
IBA #31242 (SSx2, BB, BBG)
MOA #136148

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
-
hallzee is offline  
post #7 of 15 Old Nov 25th, 2012, 3:48 pm
Lifetime Supporter
 
deputy5211's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Dallas Area, TX, USA
Posts: 4,877
Re: Clutch teardown..twice in one week.

Having done a clutch this summer, I feel your pain. My slave came from the same preferred provider as I believe yours did. I have little doubt they will make the slave right, and am optimistic they will make the clutch plate right as well and then seek to recover from their supplier.

Antony (Tripod)
Dallas' Northern Suburbs
-----------------------------------------------

If you want to be happy for a day, drink.
If you want to be happy for a year, marry.
If you want to be happy for a lifetime, ride a motorcycle.

-----------------------------------------------


'05 K1200LT - Dark Graphite - RIP 04 OCT 2015
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


'99 Road King Classic - Custom Blue/Silver & Chrome - "My Baby" Gone but forever in my heart!

and many, many others.
*

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
deputy5211 is offline  
post #8 of 15 Old Nov 25th, 2012, 4:14 pm
Lifetime Supporter
 
Voyager's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Lawrenceville, PA, USA
Posts: 7,191
Re: Clutch teardown..twice in one week.

Quote:
Originally Posted by deputy5211
Having done a clutch this summer, I feel your pain. My slave came from the same preferred provider as I believe yours did. I have little doubt they will make the slave right, and am optimistic they will make the clutch plate right as well and then seek to recover from their supplier.
I am curious; are these non-BMW supplied parts? I am fortunate to still be on my original clutch and slave cylinder at 33,000, but one never knows when the grim LT-reaper will visit so I am always on the look-out for parts sources, particularly those that might be better than the OEM parts.

2017 KLR650 "Mule"
2007 K1200LT "Starship Enterprise", VOICE II, Navigator V, Motorrad Communicator
1987 Kawasaki Voyager XII
1976 Kawasaki KH400
1973 Kawasaki 100 G5
1970 Rockford Chibi (the orange one)

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Voyager is offline  
post #9 of 15 Old Nov 25th, 2012, 4:21 pm
Wrencher Extraordinaire
 
jzeiler's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Hazel Green, AL, USA
Posts: 13,380
Re: Clutch teardown..twice in one week.

Might have been worth the effort to drill the weep hole, at least it might have saved the clutch plate.

John
2009 K1300GT Red Rocket
2009 R1200GS (Gone)
2005 K1200LT Ocean Blue Blue Wizard 110 K and counting...
2006 Bushtec Turbo+2 Spell
2004 330 Ci Convertable
K4AN

Have ridden a Motorcycle in all 48
But lack DE, MA, RI and CT with the 2005 LT

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
jzeiler is offline  
post #10 of 15 Old Nov 25th, 2012, 5:38 pm
Enjoy The Ride
 
saddleman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Huntersville, NC, USA
Posts: 3,920
Re: Clutch teardown..twice in one week.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jzeiler
Might have been worth the effort to drill the weep hole, at least it might have saved the clutch plate.
+ 1 John, Just might have been the first time to verify if the drilling the hole works.

Dave Selvig
2004 Black LT
2000 Canon Red LT



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
saddleman is offline  
post #11 of 15 Old Nov 25th, 2012, 6:02 pm
Lifetime Supporter
 
ErnieA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Milwaukie, OR, USA
Posts: 2,334
Re: Clutch teardown..twice in one week.

If the supplier is the same one frequently used/promoted by this forum I believe they will take good care of you. The last two slave cylinders I've bought from them are exactly the same as the ones I've bought from a dealer which were the Magura brand. I've only seen one bad cylinder out of more then a dozen. That particular unit had a frozen bearing and the rod was burnt too. Good luck!

Ernie A
Milwaukie, OR
Member: MOA, AMA, IBA, NRA, MERA
GS911 & GS911 Wifi - Diagnostics Tools Available
2012 K16GTL (3/2018 to present) 68k (Totaled! 8/11/19 Deer strike)
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

2013 R1200GSW
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
> 28k miles!
2002 K12LT Toscana Green - > 241k miles (Sold)
2006 Suzuki DL1000 V Strom Silver/Blk - >21k (Sold)
SS1K (x4),BB,BtoB(<24),BBG, SS3k


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
ErnieA is offline  
post #12 of 15 Old Nov 25th, 2012, 6:45 pm
Senior Member
 
Scouter-50's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Columbus, Texas, USA
Posts: 1,291
Re: Clutch teardown..twice in one week.

Quote:
Originally Posted by g-rex
Hooray me..

Working on TexasRider's bike. I finished putting everything back together after replacing the clutch, clutch slave cylinder, and rear main seal. The rear main seal had originally let go and caused the clutch to slip. It wasn't pretty. The clutch slave cylinder was showing signs of beginning to go as well, so I replaced it too.

Got everything put back together, put 50 miles on it trouble free. Started to make the 400 mile trek south to return the LT and pickup my RT, and the clutch started slipping worse than it was before 50 miles in. So, something went awry at less than 100 miles of use.

I took everything back apart *again*. Only took me 5 hours this time. I could beat book time at this rate! haha!

The brand new clutch slave cylinder failed! ARGH! Hydraulic fluid *everywhere*. I purchased the clutch slave from an online supplier well known to all of us in the BMW community. I'm going to give them a call on Monday and have them send me a new clutch slave. I'm going to also see if I can get them to send me a new clutch plate also, since I just ruined a brand new one thanks to their clutch slave that failed

Hopefully they will take care of this. From things I've read and heard in the past, I think they will, so I will give them the chance to make things right.

*Keeping fingers crossed tomorrow doesn't turn into a drama filled nightmare*
For those of us that are unable to "read between the lines" Who is the "preferred supplier"?

Thanks, Robert.

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790)


2000 K1200LT "Latifah"
1994 R1100RSL (wife's)
1981 R80GS
1976 R90S
1965 R80/2 Frankenbike (wife's)
2001 Bunkhouse LX (given to son)
2011 Bunkhouse Queen

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Scouter-50 is offline  
post #13 of 15 Old Nov 25th, 2012, 10:10 pm
Wrencher Extraordinaire
 
jzeiler's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Hazel Green, AL, USA
Posts: 13,380
Re: Clutch teardown..twice in one week.

They also sell used parts.

But I support witholding a badmouthing before they have a chance to step in it.

John
2009 K1300GT Red Rocket
2009 R1200GS (Gone)
2005 K1200LT Ocean Blue Blue Wizard 110 K and counting...
2006 Bushtec Turbo+2 Spell
2004 330 Ci Convertable
K4AN

Have ridden a Motorcycle in all 48
But lack DE, MA, RI and CT with the 2005 LT

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
jzeiler is offline  
post #14 of 15 Old Nov 25th, 2012, 10:24 pm
Senior Member
 
K100Dennis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Railton, Tasmania, Australia
Posts: 876
Re: Clutch teardown..twice in one week.

I've been itching to get my hands on one of these failed slave cylinders (posted in the past). From advice from John Z and others, it appears that the failure mode is a failed thrust bearing in the slave assembly, possibly due to running dry after some period. The slaves are said to not be rebuildable, but I'd like to do a post mortem on one as it may be that we can improve the life and reliability of that part. Please someone, open up a failed slave and give a detailed account of what is found. I intend to sacrafice some service life as my maintenance strategy, possibly around the 60,000 Km mark, replace with a brand new unit from BBY. Till then I'll continue to frequently check the weep hole.

Dennis
1987 Yamaha TY250R
1991 Aprilia Climber 280
1988 K100RT (the pack horse)
2005 K1200LTE Light yellow metallic
K100Dennis is offline  
post #15 of 15 Old Nov 25th, 2012, 11:01 pm
Lifetime Supporter
 
Voyager's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Lawrenceville, PA, USA
Posts: 7,191
Re: Clutch teardown..twice in one week.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scouter-50
For those of us that are unable to "read between the lines" Who is the "preferred supplier"?

Thanks, Robert.
I'm pretty sure I know, but I agree 100% with not naming names until they have a chance to address the problem. Too easy for someone to do a future search and find the problem and never see the solution. I am all for calling out a lousy vendor, but there is a time and place for that and this is not yet that time.

2017 KLR650 "Mule"
2007 K1200LT "Starship Enterprise", VOICE II, Navigator V, Motorrad Communicator
1987 Kawasaki Voyager XII
1976 Kawasaki KH400
1973 Kawasaki 100 G5
1970 Rockford Chibi (the orange one)

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Voyager is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the BMW Luxury Touring Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in











Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Clutch Failures - 2 at 20,000 miles Hanshi K1200LT 49 Oct 5th, 2012 6:53 pm
Siebenrock Clutch failure kclineman10 K1200LT 19 Sep 7th, 2012 9:39 am
Clutch Party Report! hallzee K1200LT 5 Jan 17th, 2010 9:06 pm
Clutch failure sonnata K1200LT 12 Aug 14th, 2007 11:19 am
Pictures of my clutch teardown Schweintechnik K1200LT 5 Aug 5th, 2007 7:23 pm

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome