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Front tire wear?????

When I bought my 02, the front tire was in bad shape with the left side tread down to the cords and the right side with about 50% tread. The original owner was handicapped, and had an extension on the shifter so he could shift and I was thinking that his seating position on the bike might have been the cause for that wear. I put on a good used Metzler tire and have only gotten 5 K out of it and the left side tread is just about bald, with the right looking around 75%...I don't think the crown of the road or the fact that I prefer left hand turns is the real problem here.

So, what should I look for?? The back tire seems to wear fine (though, it is new) and the old one before the puncture looked good.

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post #2 of 22 Old Oct 10th, 2012, 11:10 pm
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Face it - this bike eats front tires, regardless of brand. The Metz will give more miles than the Bridgestone or the Avons, if you can stand the noise.

I have an 03 and use Bstones front and rear. 42psi and 48psi, respectively.

And send me a picture of that 65 Chevelle, por favor.

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Face it - this bike eats front tires, regardless of brand. The Metz will give more miles than the Bridgestone or the Avons, if you can stand the noise.

I have an 03 and use Bstones front and rear. 42psi and 48psi, respectively.

And send me a picture of that 65 Chevelle, por favor.

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I don't care how much I like this bike, if I can't get better mileage then that, I won't be keeping it..I don't have anywhere near that kind of wear on my Valk or on the Vulcan I had before the Valk. I am running double darkside on the valk and I would definitely run a rear tire on the front of this one if I could find one that small.

I don't have any pics available for the Chevelle, seem to have lost them all.. anyway the body is on a rotisserie and in storage, as it needs all the floors and both rear quarter panels replaced..

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olddog1946...You said, "I put on a good used Metzler tire and have only gotten 5 K out of it and the left side tread is just about bald, with the right looking around 75%.."

Are you serious? Putting a used tire on a motorcycle and then complaining about tire life! That is both dangerous physically and redundant argumentatively. Correct me if I misinterpreted your script.
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olddog1946...You said, "I put on a good used Metzler tire and have only gotten 5 K out of it and the left side tread is just about bald, with the right looking around 75%.."

Are you serious? Putting a used tire on a motorcycle and then complaining about tire life! That is both dangerous physically and redundant argumentatively. Correct me if I misinterpreted your script.

The tire I put on had 500 miles on it. I did not put on a wore out tire....my post isn't about the mileage, but about the wear I've gotten on it. I don't believe it is normal for a tire to wear drastically from one side to another.

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O.K. I understand a bit better now.
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When I bought my 02, the front tire was in bad shape with the left side tread down to the cords and the right side with about 50% tread. The original owner was handicapped, and had an extension on the shifter so he could shift and I was thinking that his seating position on the bike might have been the cause for that wear. I put on a good used Metzler tire and have only gotten 5 K out of it and the left side tread is just about bald, with the right looking around 75%...I don't think the crown of the road or the fact that I prefer left hand turns is the real problem here.

So, what should I look for?? The back tire seems to wear fine (though, it is new) and the old one before the puncture looked good.
I too was wondering why the left side wore out first. I read this article and then it made perfect sense. http://www.rattlebars.com/tirewear/index.html

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Re: Front tire wear?????

My LT's (I have had 2) have even wear, right and left on the front tire. I get about 20,000 miles on the front (ME880), and 10,000 on the rear. Of the several other owners of LT's that I know. None has had uneven fron tire wear.

I would suggest using a long straight edge to see if the front and rear tires are in alignment with each other. Other than that I'd check with a dealer to see what condition might cause that problem, like worn steering head bearings.

Hope that answers some of your questions.

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I would suggest using a long straight edge to see if the front nad rear tires are in alignment with each other. Other than that I'd check with a dealer to see what condition might cause that problem, like worn steering head bearings.

Hope that answers some of your questions.[/QUOTE]
+1 - have only had my LT for a year, the new front tire is wearing in the center as would be expected, mostly straight roads around here, something has to out of alignment, unless there is something wrong with the used tire you put on even tho only 500 miles

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I too was wondering why the left side wore out first. I read this article and then it made perfect sense. http://www.rattlebars.com/tirewear/index.html

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Interesting that the article is about a Valkyrie, since my other bike is one.. I do, however have almost no difference is tire wear side to side on the Valk. I do know that I favor the lean a bit more in the left hand turns over the right side.

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Re: Front tire wear?????

A couple things:

first, was the used tire a reinforced tire as specified for the LT, and in either case was the air pressure maintained properly?

second, check the fork alignment, I included a clip from the BMW repair manual to verify the measurement below. My thinking is that one of the forks may be bent or otherwise out of alignment causing the tire to not set perfectly vertical. Also use a straight edge to make sure that both fork tubes are straight. An inspection of the axle and wheel may also be prudent to ensure both are straight and true. I assume that the extreme wear on the left side is more or less even around the parimeter of the tire and not sporadic patches of extreme wear.

third, I concur with the previous post to check the alighment of the front and rear tires, maybe take it to a tuning shop that does modifications for race bikes, they usually have laser alingment capabilities.

You didn't mention any wobbles, or other problems with the front end so I assume that there is nothing to report there.
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+1 - have only had my LT for a year, the new front tire is wearing in the center as would be expected, mostly straight roads around here, something has to out of alignment, unless there is something wrong with the used tire you put on even tho only 500 miles

I don't think there is any steering head problems as there is no discernable movement/slop, though it might be possible that one fork is lower than the other but the center contact patch looks good (flat and about 1.5" wide).

Basically, I just wanted an idea of things to consider and check before I mount my new Michelin Pilot Power and wipe it out in 5k.

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...Basically, I just wanted an idea of things to consider and check before I mount my new Michelin Pilot Power and wipe it out in 5k.
Based on this description from Motorcycle Superstore on this tire:

"The softest rubber mix in its class for remarkable grip and maintains performance even at advanced stages of wear"

I would conclude that with the weight of the LT bearing down on it that you can be almost assured it will be wiped out in 5k. If you are putting a tire made for a sport bike onto a behemoth like an LT I don't think you can reasonably expect very many miles to go under that tire in this application.
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Any chance the bike's been wrecked and repaired? Bent frame or forks?
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first, was the used tire a reinforced tire as specified for the LT,
There is no reinforced spec FRONT tire. Period.

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Based on this description from Motorcycle Superstore on this tire:

"The softest rubber mix in its class for remarkable grip and maintains performance even at advanced stages of wear"

I would conclude that with the weight of the LT bearing down on it that you can be almost assured it will be wiped out in 5k. If you are putting a tire made for a sport bike onto a behemoth like an LT I don't think you can reasonably expect very many miles to go under that tire in this application.
Agree. Pilot Power would not be the long life choice for the LT. I'm using the Pilot Road 2 and expect to get about 10k from it. It is worn off on the left shoulder alot more than the right too.

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If you want longer tire life you will have to go to the Metzler ME880. There is no other choice that I am aware of that will give you any tire life that I find acceptable.

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A bent telelever could cause that wear without a lot of shake or wobble that you could notice. BMW has a rig to measure offset of the front wheel to the rear wheel but the only culpret they ID to check is the telelever.

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Any chance the bike's been wrecked and repaired? Bent frame or forks?

I would bet it has been, the PO says he never laid it down. However the support bracket around the engine that the lower tupperware bolts to on the right side has been broken. I took the rounded tab that goes against the aluminum backbone and drilled a whole through it into the aluminum and threaded in a 3/8 (mm equivalent) bolt to hold things solid.

As to the tire that wore out, it was a Metzler. I looked up the replacement tire by bike and year and this was one of the recommended replacements for the LT. I liked the look of it, but didn't see the blurb about it being the softest one out there, or I might have got the ME880. Anyway it is currently on the the bike, I got it in last night and put in on this morning.

I had been running 42 up front, 46 in the rear and will continue with those pressures. When I changed the tire out today, I found that the left caliper pistons are hanging up and the pads are really thin. So I have ordered new pads and may have to do a rebuild on the caliper when they arrive. Not sure how long they have been hanging up, though with 56 mpg out of the last tank I doubt it could have been too long. The PO had told me he installed new pads JUST before I got the bike. as thin as they are, must have been just the year before.

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The PO had told me he installed new pads JUST before I got the bike. as thin as they are, must have been just the year before.
Yup something is up I still have half my pads left on the front @76K.

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I haven't checked to see if there is enough clearance for this, but two pieces of 8 foot aluminum "C" channel would give you a good idea of how your wheels are aligned. Put it on the center stand and then snug the channel up on each side of the tires to hold them parallel. Then measure each wheel/tire assembly for plumb with a level.


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I have to wonder about the condition of the front shock. You should have about 7 inch clearance between the lower nose and the top of the front fender.

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