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The wife and I took a ride in northern PA this weekend to see the trees changing colors and to goto apple fest in Franklin PA. It seemed a little more windy than normal but not bad at all, in my opinion. We were traveling between 50 to 70 MPH most of the time. My wife was practically having a panic attack every time a cross wind hit us. I tried lowering our speed and it didn't seem to help. On the way home later she seemed to be a little calmer so I drove a bit faster and I think it seemed better. She said the wind would whip her helmet around, to the point she was supporting her helmet with her hand so she wouldn't hurt her neck. (FYI She has had neck pain from time to time in the past.) I have a standard height windshield and usually have it adjusted about 3/4 the way up. I was looking for some input on how to make her ride a little bit more comfortable. Would different windshield help this? I think she needs to relax a bit. Maybe a cocktail or two before we leave.(For her only of course) But then we would have to stop for bathroom breaks even more often.

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Re: Passenger complaining of wind gusts

Check that her helmet is the right size. My wife had the same problem which disappeared when we changed her helmet - and discovered the one she had been using was too big.
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At the suggestion of another couple we ride with, my wife started wearing
one of these and finds that it helps her a lot.
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Re: Passenger complaining of wind gusts

Interesting comments, my wife also says she really cops the wind, especially when it's from the side, whereas I rarely feel it. I too have the standard screen and run it about 75% fully up (quietest poaition). I suspect there is a swirling vortex type action going on behind me. I'm interested in what, if anything, others have done to improve the situation.

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Z-technic Vstream from Mototoys in Newcastle, Dennis. I think he's the only Aus importer. Its helped Kerry a lot on the back, and it is also much better for me.... also getting a lighter BMW system 4 sports helmet (non-flip) made a huge difference for her. Took the weight off her neck.

Mototoys have a couple on Ebay at the moment, different sizes, I think they are cheaper than I paid a couple of years ago. Love mine. Here's some pics of the difference between the OEM (short Euroscreen) and Vstream on my bike.

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Re: Passenger complaining of wind gusts

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At the suggestion of another couple we ride with, my wife started wearing
one of these and finds that it helps her a lot.

I've been checking into these (and others) as my wife has neck issues as well. I like the price versus the Leatt models. Any one else use a neck restraint? (not meaning to hi-jack the thread)
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Re: Passenger complaining of wind gusts

my wife has severe arthritis and has always used the (cheap) foam neck support they sell at the drug store

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Re: Passenger complaining of wind gusts

If you don't have them already, get her fold down armrests. She will feel more secure.

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Re: Passenger complaining of wind gusts

I'll second checking the fit of her helmet my fiancee had the same problems, when we first got her helmet she said it fit good and I let it go after several times of her having problems I checked the fit and sure enough, ya the helmet was comfortable all right but she could bend over and it would try to fall off she didn't know it should fit like a glove.

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Re: Passenger complaining of wind gusts

Mounting a soft bag (Mag's Bags - but they are no longer in biz) on the luggage rack and stuffing it will allow laminar flow to continue around the passenger's helmet.

It makes a HUGE difference in stability and especially during periods of increased turbulence.


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Re: Passenger complaining of wind gusts

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At the suggestion of another couple we ride with, my wife started wearing
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Bought one for Suzanne yesterday... Will post results after she gets to try it out...

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Re: Passenger complaining of wind gusts

I've used both the factory style windshield, and the Cee Bailey's #2 style.
What I found was that the Cee Bailey's doesn't need to be raised as high to deflect wind off the Pillion. I also feel that visibility is a little better.
Worth a try?
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Re: Passenger complaining of wind gusts

I have a Parabellum windshield that makes the air alot smoother over the bike and gives me better mileage than the stock windshield did. Occasionally my wife still complains in very strong cross winds, but it is much better than the stock one.

Ditto for the arm rests. She loves hers if you don't already have them.

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Re: Passenger complaining of wind gusts

There really isn't much that can be done to deflect crosswind on the pillion. By definition, it is wind coming from the side so the windshield will have little to no effect.

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Z-technic Vstream from Mototoys in Newcastle, Dennis. I think he's the only Aus importer. Its helped Kerry a lot on the back, and it is also much better for me.... also getting a lighter BMW system 4 sports helmet (non-flip) made a huge difference for her. Took the weight off her neck.

Mototoys have a couple on Ebay at the moment, different sizes, I think they are cheaper than I paid a couple of years ago. Love mine. Here's some pics of the difference between the OEM (short Euroscreen) and Vstream on my bike.
I like the looks of this windshield. I found a picture of the wind comparison from the OEM to the VStream Z-technic. See attached picture. I'm thinking this would help with some of the side winds, as the head winds would deflect the side winds. After checking into it, I think my wifes helmet is too big. I would like to hear opinion from a few more people that have the Z-technic VStream windshield. I would probably stick with the same OEM height though.
I also see that Cee Baileys makes a Hyper-Flow Series that look almost identical.
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I like the looks of this windshield. I found a picture of the wind comparison from the OEM to the VStream Z-technic. See attached picture. I'm thinking this would help with some of the side winds, as the head winds would deflect the side winds. After checking into it, I think my wifes helmet is too big. I would like to hear opinion from a few more people that have the Z-technic VStream windshield. I would probably stick with the same OEM height though.
I also see that Cee Baileys makes a Hyper-Flow Series that look almost identical.
I had a v stream on my bike, nowhere near as stable as the stock windshield in very strong cross wind - with stock windshield down it is as stable as my K1100LT was in strong cross winds

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I've used both the factory style windshield, and the Cee Bailey's #2 style.
What I found was that the Cee Bailey's doesn't need to be raised as high to deflect wind off the Pillion. I also feel that visibility is a little better.
Worth a try?
http://www.ceebaileys.com/bmw/bmws1200ltno2.htm

I agree with Rand;the cee bailey #2 really helped my wife and I for the wind;
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Check that her helmet is the right size. My wife had the same problem which disappeared when we changed her helmet - and discovered the one she had been using was too big.
That was my first thought also. A properly fitting helmet will not move around in the wind and have to be held into place.

Crosswinds are annoying to be sure and will move you around, but a properly fitted helmet will make things a lot more comfortable.

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I like the looks of this windshield. I found a picture of the wind comparison from the OEM to the VStream Z-technic. See attached picture. I'm thinking this would help with some of the side winds, as the head winds would deflect the side winds. After checking into it, I think my wifes helmet is too big. I would like to hear opinion from a few more people that have the Z-technic VStream windshield. I would probably stick with the same OEM height though.
I also see that Cee Baileys makes a Hyper-Flow Series that look almost identical.
I currently have this shield equipped. The good, very low airflow to the rider or pillion. It has been down to 34 in the mornings here lately, and I have no issues on the way to work (other than what the destination is). The bad, very low airflow to the rider and pillion. Over 85 degrees, it is too warm. Over 90, you will cook. 100 or more, ride something else. You would be best served to keep a different sheild for summer usage. As for stability, I have had no issues with instability from cross or any other winds with this shield equipped. Although I have never had a stock shield to compair it to, how the bike acts on windy days does not draw concern. (Had 40mph gusts today even).

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I currently have this shield equipped. The good, very low airflow to the rider or pillion. It has been down to 34 in the mornings here lately, and I have no issues on the way to work (other than what the destination is). The bad, very low airflow to the rider and pillion. Over 85 degrees, it is too warm. Over 90, you will cook. 100 or more, ride something else. You would be best served to keep a different sheild for summer usage. As for stability, I have had no issues with instability from cross or any other winds with this shield equipped. Although I have never had a stock shield to compair it to, how the bike acts on windy days does not draw concern. (Had 40mph gusts today even).
Which make, model, and height windshield do you have?
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John,

I have the VStream Z-technic also, when it is up it's a cone of silence. Now it came with the bike so I don't know what model/size it is, but no wind no buffeting. In the lowered position, with the side deflectors turned in for warm weather riding I get enough air to be comfortable. (riding in a mesh jacket)

Last weekend went for a RTE with the wife, coming home hit lots of cross winds and I had to ask if she noticed them. We also hit a few sprinkles, put the shield all the way up and didn't have to pull over to get the rain suits on.

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I have the VStream Z-technic also, when it is up it's a cone of silence. Now it came with the bike so I don't know what model/size it is, but no wind no buffeting. In the lowered position, with the side deflectors turned in for warm weather riding I get enough air to be comfortable. (riding in a mesh jacket)

Last weekend went for a RTE with the wife, coming home hit lots of cross winds and I had to ask if she noticed them. We also hit a few sprinkles, put the shield all the way up and didn't have to pull over to get the rain suits on.

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That sounds like just what I'm looking for. Could I bother you to measure the height of your windshield? They measure the in center, from top to bottom.

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Re: Passenger complaining of wind gusts

Just found out that the VStream is offered in a -2, might just be my perfect shield. I ride the euro low shield in the summer. Put on the VStream last week for the winter and it looks huge.

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That sounds like just what I'm looking for. Could I bother you to measure the height of your windshield? They measure the in center, from top to bottom.
John,

Just got back on, the shield is the standard one 22.7 inches tall.

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