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What nimrod decided the oil filter should be in the crank case?

There's gotta be SOME reason. Fitment, aero...I dunno.

But it sure makes oil changes messy.

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Re: What nimrod decided the oil filter should be in the crank case?

No idea, but I am sure his name was Hans

My R1200C has the filter up in the pan also, however the pan is shaped so that the oil filter sits outside of it rather than in it like the LT. As far as I am concerned there is no sane reason, just make sure that you remove the oil filter before draining the oil and all will be well!
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Re: What nimrod decided the oil filter should be in the crank case?

The configuration on the LT escapes me at the moment, but why wouldn't you want it in the crank case? That's where the oil is.
Some applications mount it externally, frequently if there is a cooler, but it invites leakage going to or coming from the remote location.
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No idea, but I am sure his name was Hans
Thank you very very much for the compliment
but no I can't take credit for the astonishing engineering that built the LT,
it was done by a group of people a hell-of-a-lot smarter than me and the o/p of this thread,
hey......I might just have answered the question ....


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Thank you very very much for the compliment
but no I can't take credit for the astonishing engineering that built the LT,
it was done by a group of people a hell-of-a-lot smarter than me and the o/p of this thread,
hey......I might just have answered the question ....
Maintaining a clean maintenance area wasn't one of the design criteria. And they must have thought otherwise after the fact, the 1600 motor has it in a much saner place. I could also just as easily say they put it there as they had no other choice...the buyer wouldn't pay $450 for tupperwear removal to do a simple oil change, and the dealerships wouldn't eat the cost of a high labor proceedure.

And, no offense, but I'm pretty smart.

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There's gotta be SOME reason. Fitment, aero...I dunno.

But it sure makes oil changes messy.
Putting a cartridge style filter inside the crankcase makes sense as was the case on my Kawasaki Voyager and on my Chevy Equinox (which has the filter on top of the engine which is even smarter). Putting a spin-on style filter on the outside of the engine makes sense as that is what they were designed for. Putting a spin-on filter inside the crankcase is just stupid. I'd love to hear the reasoning for it, but I'll bet it is feeble at best.

As for Hans' comment that the folks who designed the LT are a lot smarter than either he or the original poster, I have no way to verify that. I absolutely reject the absurd idea that they are smarter than me, however.

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Re: What nimrod decided the oil filter should be in the crank case?

Life is good when you can discuss different opinions with friends and laugh about them at the same time,

I've never had an issue doing oil changes,
put a pan under, loosen three Allen bolts, drain, remove plate then filter,
replace and seal it up, 10 minutes and I'm done.

It actually takes longer to put the bike on the H/F lift and secure it than to do the oil change.

Regarding location, every K-bike back to '85 had the oil filter in the same place,
not taking up any space anywhere else on the motor,
that makes it it tried and proven system, in "true BMW style"
it might not make sense "to you" but it works very well.

The old airhead BMW's also had their filters in the crankcase,
not sure when they started that, (my '76 had one)

As far as spin on.......why not, a lot cleaner than cartridge....... easy to remove/replace
available at every Wallmart or auto parts store,

I don't really see an issue here,

but I'm just "practical, it is what it is,

I'll leave the "complicated" stuff to you ......uhhh....... "smart" guys. ......


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I'll leave the "complicated" stuff to you ......uhhh....... "smart" guys. ......
You say you're joking, yet you're the only one bringing an intelligence test to the table. If you mean what you say, talk to the topic and leave the IQ crap out of it.

What's easier/better/cleaner?

1. pull drain plug
2. unscrew exposed oil filter
3. Lube o-ring on new filter, replace filter, plug, fill.

1. (optionally) pull drain plug
2. three allen bolts
3. clean up mess
4. replace o-ring
5. pull slick, oily, filter, getting oil all over the wrench
6. clean up mess
7. Lube o-ring on new filter, replace filter, plug
8. clean up access plate, replace
9. Fill oil using a 2 foot tube (appropo of nothing, I'll give em one.)

Every vehicle I've ever owned before the Beemer followed the 3 step process above.

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Re: What nimrod decided the oil filter should be in the crank case?

I personally don't care for its location, but it is easier than my Harley. That spin on is mounted on the side of the motor, just above EVERYTHING. I have to make an aluminum foil drain "thangy", tuck it under the oil filter, then drill a hole in the filter to get it to drain, unscrew it from around the sensors, then wash the damned engine because I still spilled oil all over the chrome.
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Re: What nimrod decided the oil filter should be in the crank case?

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You say you're joking,
yet you're the only one bringing an intelligence test to the table.
If you mean what you say, talk to the topic and leave the IQ crap out of it.
Sounds like I "hit a nerve"
what's the "big deal"?
Can't take a joke?
So ...........we have different opinions!!.
Why are you trying to make this personal?

We have something called freedom of speech in this great country.
I would prefer to "get along" with you and most everyone else
but don't even think you can tell me what I can or cannot talk or joke about.


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Rodney King said it "can't we all just get along" ( i thing he was high at the time). Hans I've never read anything nice from you, I thought I was a grumpy man and a synic. Glad we are not an endangered species!

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Re: What nimrod decided the oil filter should be in the crank case?

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Life is good when you can discuss different opinions with friends and laugh about them at the same time,

I've never had an issue doing oil changes,
put a pan under, loosen three Allen bolts, drain, remove plate then filter,
replace and seal it up, 10 minutes and I'm done.

It actually takes longer to put the bike on the H/F lift and secure it than to do the oil change.

Regarding location, every K-bike back to '85 had the oil filter in the same place,
not taking up any space anywhere else on the motor,
that makes it it tried and proven system, in "true BMW style"
it might not make sense "to you" but it works very well.

The old airhead BMW's also had their filters in the crankcase,
not sure when they started that, (my '76 had one)

As far as spin on.......why not, a lot cleaner than cartridge....... easy to remove/replace
available at every Wallmart or auto parts store,

I don't really see an issue here,

but I'm just "practical, it is what it is,

I'll leave the "complicated" stuff to you ......uhhh....... "smart" guys. ......
A spin-on is cleaner and easier if it is outside the engine where it was designed to be and thus not covered with oil when you remove it. I am not a fan of cartridge filters that are under the engine, but I have to admit that the one on my new Equinox is the cat's meow. I can get to it without climbing under the vehicle and it comes out of the well attached to the cap and thus I can pull it out without even touching oil.

Changing the oil on my LT is certainly not rocket science, but it is much messier than it needs to be and this is due to a dumb design by BMW. I've been an engineer for nearly 30 years and I have seen a lot of designs and done much design myself. I know good design from bad, and the oil filter arrangement on the brick engines is simply a dumb design. I have no problem calling a spade a space. It is just much more complicated than it needs to be.

If that makes me "impractical", so be it! Ha, ha, ha...

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Re: What nimrod decided the oil filter should be in the crank case?

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You say you're joking, yet you're the only one bringing an intelligence test to the table. If you mean what you say, talk to the topic and leave the IQ crap out of it.

What's easier/better/cleaner?

1. pull drain plug
2. unscrew exposed oil filter
3. Lube o-ring on new filter, replace filter, plug, fill.

1. (optionally) pull drain plug
2. three allen bolts
3. clean up mess
4. replace o-ring
5. pull slick, oily, filter, getting oil all over the wrench
6. clean up mess
7. Lube o-ring on new filter, replace filter, plug
8. clean up access plate, replace
9. Fill oil using a 2 foot tube (appropo of nothing, I'll give em one.)

Every vehicle I've ever owned before the Beemer followed the 3 step process above.
I don't know that Hans brought an intelligence test to the table other than to say that he isn't as smart as the BMW engineers. Not sure why that would upset you. Methinks you need to cut back on the caffeine (says I as I sip my coffee).

I think Hans was just having some fun and I for one am having some fun back at him. No need to get riled up over an oil filter design for cryin' out loud.

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Re: What nimrod decided the oil filter should be in the crank case?

I've never made a mess changing the engine oil & filter. I can't say that about the trans. I have three lifts & the engine oil & filter is so easy to change I just do it with the bike on the center stand on the floor.

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I've never made a mess changing the engine oil & filter. I can't say that about the trans. I have three lifts & the engine oil & filter is so easy to change I just do it with the bike on the center stand on the floor.
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Re: What nimrod decided the oil filter should be in the crank case?

If i remember correctly, the late 80's early 90's Pontiac's, Chevy and GMC 4 cyl engines also had an oil filter cartridge inside the oil pan. They would also puke everywhere.

The thought process I came up with is the space consideration for the engine. The engineer's couldn't reach a compromise with the exterior design division for an economical oil filter placement without changing the looks.

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I just take out the front two bolts and loosen, ever so slightly, the third one and it just flows nicely out of the sump.

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Well,...here's my spin on it [pun intended] outside spin on type makes for a one beer oil change. A cartridge type internal filter , makes for a two beer oil change.

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I just got off the phone with the BMW engineer in charge of design and function - in Bavaria. Turns out that in early '98 they sent out feelers for the placement of the filter. Believe it or not, Hans (yes, silverbuffalo) was the one that sent in the winning design. Seems that after all, he IS smarter than the rest of those nimrods.
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You say you're joking, yet you're the only one bringing an intelligence test to the table. If you mean what you say, talk to the topic and leave the IQ crap out of it.

What's easier/better/cleaner?

1. pull drain plug
2. unscrew exposed oil filter
3. Lube o-ring on new filter, replace filter, plug, fill.

1. (optionally) pull drain plug
2. three allen bolts
3. clean up mess
4. replace o-ring
5. pull slick, oily, filter, getting oil all over the wrench
6. clean up mess
7. Lube o-ring on new filter, replace filter, plug
8. clean up access plate, replace
9. Fill oil using a 2 foot tube (appropo of nothing, I'll give em one.)

Every vehicle I've ever owned before the Beemer followed the 3 step process above.
Try changing one on a RoadKing or Ultra. You'll find the LT change is a helluva lot easier and less messy. Transmission fluid....well, that's another story.

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Hans did a much better job than Ichi-san that designed Honda's old Nighthawk S. It was an horizantal inline 4 and it was very easy to unscrew the oil filter, you just reached between the (cold) header pipes and unscrewed it off the front of the engine. However, then you realized that it did not fit between the individual pipes, nor between the header and the frame, so you were forced to remove the whole exhaust system just to chance a spin-on filter.

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Re: What nimrod decided the oil filter should be in the crank case?

Wow, you guys are getting sensitive!!! Let's face it, having a spin on filter inside the sump isn't the most used friendly design. That said, I've never had a mess on the floor because of it (got some expert advice before I started from you forum folks). Shake hands, have a cold beverage, relax and when/if you're sober, take a ride. That makes everything less stressful.

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Trans plug kicked my butt the first time. Made the oil change seem easy.

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I don't know that Hans brought an intelligence test to the table other than to say that he isn't as smart as the BMW engineers.
Not sure why that would upset you.

I think Hans was just having some fun and I for one am having some fun back at him.
No need to get riled up over an oil filter design for cryin' out loud.
Thanks Matt, I'm here mostly to have fun with my friends and enjoy "stimulating" conversations and differences of opinions,
mostly I learn from other peoples perspective,
There's no doubt that.....occasionally, I like to "stir the pot" and I'm always willing to "poke a little fun" at somebody

I was a 20 year "die hard" HD guy before I got my first BMW
and it didn't take long before I realized that the BMW motorcycle brand has always had a few "idiosyncrasies"

Since then I've owned and wore out a half a dozen of them
and they all had some things that I never understood .........why they did they do it "that way"?

I've made a few "modifications" myself but for the most part never really found too many things that I could make better,
certainly there are some things That "I would do different"

But I've never felt that the engineers that designed these machines were "nimrods"
instead I have "marveled" at "their" ingenious cleverness.

One of things that I've "come to accept" is that "they" must have had a reason.

Now with Harley's I always understood why it was such a poor design,
they just didn't want to change the look.

You've been around this forum for a while so you must have heard it also,

A new to BMW ...rider, comes aboard and "things" with his motorcycle
aren't the same as "all" of his previous motorcycles were,

so it must be "wrong", it's not what I'm used to so it has to be a "bad" design.

Well the "design" of "this" oil filter has worked well for over 25 years,
"they" decided to change the location with the new K1600 motor

Now (here's the actual intelligence test)
if you, the o/p or anybody else can "come up" with a retrofit design that will improve the location of the "oil filter" on the K-brick motor
in a practical way,

I'm listening and I would love to see "your improved design!"
........I humbly admit that I am not "smart enough"


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Now (here's the actual intelligence test)
if you, the o/p or anybody else can "come up" with a retrofit design that will improve the location of the "oil filter" on the K-brick motor
in a practical way,

I'm listening and I would love to see "your improved design!"
........I humbly admit that I am not "smart enough"
I am constantly amazed at how marvelously engineered BMW motorcycles are so I would not dare to say I could do it better, so instead I will let the BMW engineers themselves show a better way to do the spin-on oil filter. Below I have attached 2 pictures: 1 of the belly of my 2000 R1200C and the other of my 2000 K1200LT, I'll let the reader decide which makes more sense.

I should note that both bikes require almost equal level of burn protection to change the transmission fluid, but I enjoy working on both because the I like precision and quality and these bikes have it in abundance. With that I don't get too bothered with all the idiosyncrasies associated with doing the maintenance and repair because I always find a brilliant marvel of engineering below all of that, and that makes me happy
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I will let the BMW engineers themselves show a better way to do the spin-on oil filter.
I would like to nominate this post as the most intelligent in the whole thread,
well said with an outstanding example,

I've never had the "sump casing" of any of the four K-bikes I've owned
so I don't know if you could just bolt a redesigned casing on the bottom of the K-motor.

just for the sake of the o/p's concern let me ask this question:

if it was available .......would you spend the $$$ to buy a "redesigned" sump cover
like the one on the R1200C,

just to avoid having to loosen three little Allen bolts?


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Life was made easier for me when I discovered K&N-163 oil filters! No special wrenches to remove and install oil filters. I've not found it to be particularly messy either. Drain oil from oil drain plug, loosen three cover bolts and let drip semi-dry.
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Re: What nimrod decided the oil filter should be in the crank case?

I figured that if you leave the plate covering the filter off, you don't have all that oil mess to deal with when you want to change the filter.....also you only have to change the filter once... ......See, Hans isn't the only genius in the crowd!!!!

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There's gotta be SOME reason. Fitment, aero...I dunno.

But it sure makes oil changes messy.
Wait 'till he sees where the air filter is located, as shown in this recent thread... CLICKETY-CLICK


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Wait 'till he sees where the air filter is located, as shown in this recent thread... CLICKETY-CLICK

Oh yeah...it only gets "better".

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Life was made easier for me when I discovered K&N-163 oil filters! No special wrenches to remove and install oil filters. I've not found it to be particularly messy either. Drain oil from oil drain plug, loosen three cover bolts and let drip semi-dry.
+1 as you can see from my posted pic that's the filter I use, it is an added convenience that the engineers at BMW made both completely different engines use the same filter, that really simplifies my stocking of parts.
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Yuk, I just looked at the pics and how filthy I have let the bellies of my bikes get - how embarrassing that posted pics of that
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I scanned this in from an Oregon State map. When you guys come to CCR next year, you can swing through and maybe meet the guy from Nimrod that designed it.
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I scanned this in from an Oregon State map. When you guys come to CCR next year, you can swing through and maybe meet the guy from Nimrod that designed it.
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I just got off the phone with the BMW engineer in charge of design and function - in Bavaria. Turns out that in early '98 they sent out feelers for the placement of the filter. Believe it or not, Hans (yes, silverbuffalo) was the one that sent in the winning design. Seems that after all, he IS smarter than the rest of those nimrods.
Way to go Hans! I knew it was true all along. What i appreciated about the filter location was the lack of mess to clean up after the change
Just wiped the area with an old rag and put back together.

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Thanks Matt, I'm here mostly to have fun with my friends and enjoy "stimulating" conversations and differences of opinions,
mostly I learn from other peoples perspective,
There's no doubt that.....occasionally, I like to "stir the pot" and I'm always willing to "poke a little fun" at somebody

I was a 20 year "die hard" HD guy before I got my first BMW
and it didn't take long before I realized that the BMW motorcycle brand has always had a few "idiosyncrasies"

Since then I've owned and wore out a half a dozen of them
and they all had some things that I never understood .........why they did they do it "that way"?

I've made a few "modifications" myself but for the most part never really found too many things that I could make better,
certainly there are some things That "I would do different"

But I've never felt that the engineers that designed these machines were "nimrods"
instead I have "marveled" at "their" ingenious cleverness.

One of things that I've "come to accept" is that "they" must have had a reason.

Now with Harley's I always understood why it was such a poor design,
they just didn't want to change the look.

You've been around this forum for a while so you must have heard it also,

A new to BMW ...rider, comes aboard and "things" with his motorcycle
aren't the same as "all" of his previous motorcycles were,

so it must be "wrong", it's not what I'm used to so it has to be a "bad" design.

Well the "design" of "this" oil filter has worked well for over 25 years,
"they" decided to change the location with the new K1600 motor

Now (here's the actual intelligence test)
if you, the o/p or anybody else can "come up" with a retrofit design that will improve the location of the "oil filter" on the K-brick motor
in a practical way,

I'm listening and I would love to see "your improved design!"
........I humbly admit that I am not "smart enough"
I agree. Then again, I have skin that would do a rhino proud. However, I realize that many are the sensitive types that take every little poke as an attack on their manhood.

Yes, I agree that when you are new to a brand or model, you tend to question a lot. On the other hand, I am equally amazed at people who feel the need to defend every dumb design on their BMW as to admit that something is not as good as it could be is somehow sacrilegious.

I like a lot about the LT, don't get me wrong. However, I have no qualms about admitting that some of the design choices are just dumb. Things like turn signals on each side when the rest of the world uses a single control. And putting an oil filter made for external use inside the sump. And burying the air filter where the sun don't shine!

As as engineer, I also know how these things happen. That doesn't make them any less dumb! Designing to budget, designing to a schedule, just plain old incompetent engineers; all come into play.

Could I have designed a better oil filter arrangement for the LT? Sure, piece of cake. Could BMW have done so? Absolutely! My guess is they simply ran out of time or budget and had to "git er done." That happens all the time, but having a good excuse still doesn't make a bad design a good design!

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Our beloved K engine was designed by Josef Fritzenwenger and Stefan Pachernegg from an existing liquid-cooled Peugeot car engine.

Thus the filter was inside the crankcase already. Perhaps for protection. Makes sense to me.
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Our beloved K engine was designed by Josef Fritzenwenger and Stefan Pachernegg from an existing liquid-cooled Peugeot car engine.
You mean it's a FRENCH design, well that explains everything.

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Our beloved K engine was designed by Josef Fritzenwenger and Stefan Pachernegg from an existing liquid-cooled Peugeot car engine.
Well that just ruined my evening - I'm riding a Peugeot
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Thus the filter was inside the crankcase already. Perhaps for protection. Makes sense to me.
Is the filter on my C bike (my previous post) less protected than on my K bike? Seems to me that short of high-centering over the filter on a pointed rock both are equally protected - just saying.

This thread is almost as good as a tire or oil thread, well, I guess it is kind of an oil thread - sort of
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Re: What nimrod decided the oil filter should be in the crank case?

Just looking at the dirty pics of my rides again and came up with a possible reason for the strange placement of the oil filter. I just poke my head under the bike and there is about a finger's thickness between the header pipe and the filter housing location, perhaps keeping the filter in the oil well helps keep it from getting too hot from the exhaust. Just mumbling out loud here, but it's the only thing I can think of.

As for why it is a spin-on filter rather than a cartridge given it's location I would have to assume it is what I noted in my previous post, I use the same filter for both my R and K bike, this simplifies stock on hand requirements for the dealer. My fuel filter also is the same for both bikes (or at least looks the same) as are several of the other replaceable components (drain plugs, wheel studs, forks, seals, signal bulbs etc). I am certain the reason it is a spin on is for this reason alone.
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