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Wow! What A Difference! PreLoad Refill Worked Wonders

Yesterday, I finished replacing my clutch, seals, slave cylinder, plugs, air filter, fluids and oil filter, and refilled the rear preload adjuster. (Details in this thread).

I rode the bike a few times around the neighborhood yesterday to be sure all was working -- it was -- and then last evening I rode it a bit further and took her onto the freeway.

All I can say is WOW! The clutch is how it should be, and the engine purrs, but what really stands out (besides the clutch not slipping and the clutch now engaging much closer to the 'in' position) is the feel of the suspension with the refilled preload adjuster! I am still looking for a place to install the new HyperPro springs onto my shocks, and can hardly wait to see how much of an improvement they give if the preloader alone made such a difference.

Refilling the preload adjuster is a simple process, you just need to remember to do ALL of the steps. DAMHIK

If anyone in the DFW area wants to do this but is hesitant to do it themselves, PM me and I will be happy to have you over and show you how it is done. Cost is virtually nil, total time is under thirty minutes, and the effect is immediate!

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I've been folowing what you have gone thru Tony, very frustrating, especially with certified wrenches not having a clue that an oil leak can take out the clutch and not show visable signs of leajage.

Glas to see you are back on the road again.

I'll be replacing my slave cylinder this winter along with installing an "oil proof" clutch and replacing seals.

Course, as we who live in the 100+F endless summers know, winter is the only time we can do wrenching without roasting.

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Congradulations....I know you suffered with the task.....but....now we in South Central have our own expert......you the Man

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Course, as we who live in the 100+F endless summers know, winter is the only time we can do wrenching without roasting.
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Congradulations....I know you suffered with the task.....but....now we in South Central have our own expert......you the Man

I dunno about being an expert, Jim.

I just do not have trouble following directions and not to proud to ask those more experienced than I for help when something does not seem right.

Just the same, it is done, working great, and I am glad to join you in the happy dance!

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Course, as we who live in the 100+F endless summers know, winter is the only time we can do wrenching without roasting.
Was originally going to do it in the winter, but had a couple of surgeries come up. I figured I could let it ride and milk it along for the summer, but with a trip to Wisconsin coming up and Suzanne wanting to take the bike, I did not dare risk it. The pressure was good for me, I work well under pressure. That said, sooooo glad that task is done!

From the time I started in the morning until when I knocked off at night, it was not unusual for me to show a six pound difference in my weight... almost a gallon's worth. And that is just laying on my back and side mostly, and trying to stay hydrated.

Yup, summer is NOT the best time to do this kind of thing!

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Expert:

ex is a has-been.
spert is just a drip under pressure.

Me thinks they're making fun of you.
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Expert:

ex is a has-been.
spert is just a drip under pressure.

Me thinks they're making fun of you.
Me thinks you are as well.

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Me thinks that you thinks good.
But...when I thinks too hard, I falls asleep. nite nite
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"ex" is a has-been.
"spurt" is just a drip under pressure...
A little off-topic, but: That is a blast from the past. In college many years ago I saw a video presentation where the speaker said that, and drew a little diagram on a chalkboard to demonstrate it. Do you know where you heard that little saying? Just curious. I've never heard anyone else say it, although I do once in awhile.


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I'm getting my LT back today from the Dealer. I'm hoping for the same results. Can't wait!!!

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I'm getting my LT back today from the Dealer. I'm hoping for the same results. Can't wait!!!
Hooo-Yah! Hope you do too, Rob.

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A little off-topic, but: That is a blast from the past. In college many years ago I saw a video presentation where the speaker said that, and drew a little diagram on a chalkboard to demonstrate it. Do you know where you heard that little saying? Just curious. I've never heard anyone else say it, although I do once in awhile.

I have been using it as well for about 25-30 years myself. Chalkboard, what is a chalkboard? LoL remember the "clouds" we used to make with two erasers? Remember what a PITA it was when it was your turn to wash it? Good times!

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Tony!
Great news to hear you're up and about after your trip up north!

FWIW: I had my Hyper Pro springs changed out at the Honda Powersports on IH35 just North of Round Rock for a 12-pack of Shiner!
Not saying you need to travel down here to do that, especially since you have to take your bike apart again to change out your springs, but you might have some luck at one of the major motorcycle dealers up there for a 12-pack! The HD threw an unbelievable figure of $100 at me and all I could do was scoff! I was going to try and do this myself, but having the right tools is a major bonus and I didn't feel like spending the mula for a one-time-use thing!

The new springs appear to make a huge difference just looking at it....haven't tried it out yet and cannot wait to feel the difference! With a complete 12k service and getting ready to do the Jensen 2212 install today.....Belle should be ready to rock and roll!

BTW....thanks for the "eyes" you sent!


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Actually, Tony, in your post, I wasn't sure if you were commenting about the change in clutch or the change in suspension.
If you were talking about the change in suspension, you're in for a treat when you put on aftermarkets.
THAT will open your eyes.
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Tony!
Great news to hear you're up and about after your trip up north!

FWIW: I had my Hyper Pro springs changed out at the Honda Powersports on IH35 just North of Round Rock for a 12-pack of Shiner!
Not saying you need to travel down here to do that, especially since you have to take your bike apart again to change out your springs, but you might have some luck at one of the major motorcycle dealers up there for a 12-pack! The HD threw an unbelievable figure of $100 at me and all I could do was scoff! I was going to try and do this myself, but having the right tools is a major bonus and I didn't feel like spending the mula for a one-time-use thing!

The new springs appear to make a huge difference just looking at it....haven't tried it out yet and cannot wait to feel the difference! With a complete 12k service and getting ready to do the Jensen 2212 install today.....Belle should be ready to rock and roll!

BTW....thanks for the "eyes" you sent!
Kenny,

Honda (Maxim) tried but did not have correct attachment, HD said they could not compress since no tool, half a dozen car shops, including Firestone and Goodyear said they did not have the tool for that shock. Guess I could call the BMW shop, but not optimistic.

There are a few good-sized dealers across town where I used to live. Will try to remember to try those when I go over next week to pick up Mozzie for the week.

I put spare shocks on the bike when it was apart so I could have the new HP springs put on "my" shocks. I will swap them next time I do service... If I find a place up here to mount springs!

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the jig to change the springs is not hard to build a couple pieces of ready rod and two
small (8 inch pieces of 6 inch flat stock)plates and a hole saw.it took me about a 1/2 hour to build. i am sure some one close to you has one. start a new thread you will find one. and you will like the diffrence they make
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Tony,
I have the compressor that Haughty made. Also have a set of
shocks with Hyperpro springs mounted. Swap your shocks and springs
for mine if you want. Your choice, can bring next weekend.

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if I had seen this video before my spring change would have tried it, I have the straps, I used my car srpring compressors for the front but being too big was a little tricky - borrowed the top plate for the rear from another member

copy/paste - Polaris RZR Spring Replacement - Super ATV

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I have the compressor that Haughty made. Also have a set of
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for mine if you want. Your choice, can bring next weekend.

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Sounds like an idea, Dan. Front shock is still on the bike. Rear shock is off, though, and sitting with its spring. Even if we swap rears, I would still need to have a way to do spring on front.

Any chance I could borrow the compressor for a bit to get it done?

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if I had seen this video before my spring change would have tried it, I have the straps, I used my car srpring compressors for the front but being too big was a little tricky - borrowed the top plate for the rear from another member

copy/paste - Polaris RZR Spring Replacement - Super ATV
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The Link did not survive the copy/paste operation.

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tried to copy it - if you google it you will find it - an interesting way to compress springs if you have the tie down straps

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Tie down straps? Thins I have got to see!

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if I had seen this video before my spring change would have tried it, I have the straps, I used my car srpring compressors for the front but being too big was a little tricky - borrowed the top plate for the rear from another member

copy/paste - Polaris RZR Spring Replacement - Super ATV

Here is a working link to the video: Clickety Click

Looks simple enough. All of my ratchet straps have hooks, though. Looks like some of the ones used in the video used to have hooks, and they were cut off and the strap tied on in its place.

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Looks simple enough.
Hmmm. Sounds like another gash waiting to happen; I'll hold your beer for you while you make the attempt!
I guess there is a lot to be said for having the right tool for the job.

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Here is a working link to the video: Clickety Click

Looks simple enough. All of my ratchet straps have hooks, though. Looks like some of the ones used in the video used to have hooks, and they were cut off and the strap tied on in its place.
Interesting video...hope your fingers are as fast as his. Must be able to rent the right tool from some rental place, out here we have taylor rental and they have most everything.

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Sounds like an idea, Dan. Front shock is still on the bike. Rear shock is off, though, and sitting with its spring. Even if we swap rears, I would still need to have a way to do spring on front.

Any chance I could borrow the compressor for a bit to get it done?
The compressor won't fit in the trunk. I'll bring the shocks Sat. But if my daughter drives to Dallas Fri or Sat,I'll send it with her.

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Cool... Thank you!

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Yesterday, I finished replacing my clutch, seals, slave cylinder, plugs, air filter, fluids and oil filter, and refilled the rear preload adjuster. (Details in this thread).

I rode the bike a few times around the neighborhood yesterday to be sure all was working -- it was -- and then last evening I rode it a bit further and took her onto the freeway.

All I can say is WOW! The clutch is how it should be, and the engine purrs, but what really stands out (besides the clutch not slipping and the clutch now engaging much closer to the 'in' position) is the feel of the suspension with the refilled preload adjuster! I am still looking for a place to install the new HyperPro springs onto my shocks, and can hardly wait to see how much of an improvement they give if the preloader alone made such a difference.

Refilling the preload adjuster is a simple process, you just need to remember to do ALL of the steps. DAMHIK

If anyone in the DFW area wants to do this but is hesitant to do it themselves, PM me and I will be happy to have you over and show you how it is done. Cost is virtually nil, total time is under thirty minutes, and the effect is immediate!
Is this what you needed to purchase HyperPro springs for the front and rear?

SP-BM12-SSL002

EPM Performance specified that these are for the front forks and rear shock. The front fork springs are throwing me off since we don't have front fork springs to replace. Or is it implied that its a front suspension spring?

Any purchase info would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Jer

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Re: Wow! What A Difference! PreLoad Refill Worked Wonders

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Is this what you needed to purchase HyperPro springs for the front and rear?

SP-BM12-SSL002

EPM Performance specified that these are for the front forks and rear shock. The front fork springs are throwing me off since we don't have front fork springs to replace. Or is it implied that its a front suspension spring?

Any purchase info would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Jer
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1 SP-BM12 SSL 002 Combo Kit for BMW K 1200 LT 269.00
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Awesome, thanks for the detailed info. I've search the other HyperPro threads and couldn't come up with dealer and P/N specifics. They're probably around somewhere, but I came up empty.

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