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Clutch Bleed - Where is bleed screw?

I have read the Clymer and BMW manuals, maybe I am so tired I cannot see it, but...

I need to bleed my clutch now that I have replaced the clutch, seals, and slave, and I need to do it NOW, of course!

I cannot find a bleed fitting that fits in the vent hose (and yes, I removed the grub screw first). Mine is a 2005.

Ideas... please.

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Re: Clutch Bleed - Where is bleed screw?

Tony, If memory serves me right I had to remove the plug & install a bleeder screw in mine.

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Re: Clutch Bleed - Where is bleed screw?

I used one of these when I did mine last year



I removed the grub screw and screwed in the speed bleeder and attached the bleed bag to the port on the speed bleeder..



I am not sure how you would do it without the speed bleeder..

According to the service manual..
Add brake fluid up to the MAX mark (arrow).
Release the breather hose for the clutch fluid at the right-hand skirt bracket.
Remove the protective hose from the filling adapter.
Remove socket-head grub screw (arrow) from the filling adapter.
Install bleed screw in filling adapter.
Connect the brake bleeding device to the bleed screw.
Open the bleed screw a half turn.

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Re: Clutch Bleed - Where is bleed screw?

Good Morning Tony

You can bleed the clutch with out any special "grub" fitting , remove plug from end of bleed hose fitting to expose check ball , have helper pull clutch in depress check ball with small non scratching tool , repeat as needed . A speed bleeder can be installed , warm / heat fitting to soften locktite like sealer to ease up removal .

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Good Morning Tony

You can bleed the clutch with out any special "grub" fitting , remove plug from end of bleed hose fitting to expose check ball , have helper pull clutch in depress check ball with small non scratching tool , repeat as needed . A speed bleeder can be installed , warm / heat fitting to soften locktite like sealer to ease up removal .

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Re: Clutch Bleed - Where is bleed screw?

I tried a SpeedBleeder 1010S (per their site) as well as a bleed screw from a spare rear caliper. could not get either to thread in. I checked the threads with the grub screw, which went right in.


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Re: Clutch Bleed - Where is bleed screw?

The check ball keeps the speed bleeder from going in far enough to catch the threads..

But You can get a regular short nosed bleeder in there I believe...Like a stock one from the front caliper..

If you heat up that damn thing, You can take the whole piece off and then put a speed bleeder in it's place....

You must heat it up to soften the loctite or you'll break it off....

Heat, Two wrenches to break it loose.. Then re heat and keep going till you get it off of there...

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Re: Clutch Bleed - Where is bleed screw?

I have one of the bleed screws from a front "brembo" caliper and it works well. The 1010S from speed bleeder will work but you may have to grind a little off of the point area of the nipple to get it to work.

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Re: Clutch Bleed - Where is bleed screw?

I did the same thing. I heated the vent fitting that holds the grub screw. Took it off and screwed the speed bleeder in and left it there. Just loosen the speed bleeder and proceed to bleed the clutch. Put a quarter in the master cylinder to keep it from spitting up brake fluid and pump until no more air comes out the other end.

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The 1010S from speed bleeder will work but you may have to grind a little off of the point area of the nipple to get it to work.
Bingo! John nails it once again. I had to do the same, at John's advice, and after removing enough of the tip the bleeder did fit.

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Re: Clutch Bleed - Where is bleed screw?

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The check ball keeps the speed bleeder from going in far enough to catch the threads..

But You can get a regular short nosed bleeder in there I believe...Like a stock one from the front caliper..

If you heat up that damn thing, You can take the whole piece off and then put a speed bleeder in it's place....

You must heat it up to soften the loctite or you'll break it off....

Heat, Two wrenches to break it loose.. Then re heat and keep going till you get it off of there...

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That is exactly what I ended up doing, thanks John! Worked great once I removed the BMW stuff and put a speed bleeder on there. Plastic tubing and an empty IV bag did the trick!

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I have one of the bleed screws from a front "brembo" caliper and it works well. The 1010S from speed bleeder will work but you may have to grind a little off of the point area of the nipple to get it to work.
I tried that before I posted, guess I did not grind enough.

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I tried that before I posted, guess I did not grind enough.
You probably did as it just barely screws in, not even a full turn IIRC.

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Re: Clutch Bleed - Where is bleed screw?

How many speed bleeders does one need to purchase (and which ones) to permanently install them and do:
i) front brakes L/R
ii) rear brake
iii) clutch

I've seen the speed bleeders web page and still confused by it...
its seems to say I need 2 for rear brakes and 1 for front.. I kind of expected it to be the other way around?

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Re: Clutch Bleed - Where is bleed screw?

Two on the front (one for each caliper), two for the rear, and one for the clutch.

When you remove the clutch fitting, you will need to use heat.

When you are done, plan on topping off your fluids, especially in the ABS unit. DAMHIK.

When you order, get a couple lengths of their hose and a bleeder bag. If you have a vet on staff, you might have access to empty IV bags (D5W, normal saline, Ringer's), which is what I use.

As with anything else, feel free to ship to your USA address. Should all fit in a small Priority Mail Flat Rate envelope and post for very little.

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Re: Clutch Bleed - Where is bleed screw?

My answer is none. Since they don't make any for the six ports on the ABS. I do like and use their Speed Bleeder bag and hose. Using that combo makes it pointless to buy the speed bleeders.

Just hook up the hose and elevate the bag and open the stock bleed nipple and pump away! Air bubbles will not flow down the hose and this is a one person bleed job. I have done at least 30 flushes this way and have never failed a bleed test.

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My answer is none. Since they don't make any for the six ports on the ABS. I do like and use their Speed Bleeder bag and hose. Using that combo makes it pointless to buy the speed bleeders.

Just hook up the hose and elevate the bag and open the stock bleed nipple and pump away! Air bubbles will not flow down the hose and this is a one person bleed job. I have done at least 30 flushes this way and have never failed a bleed test.

John, I am assuming that Speed Bleeders would be appropriate on the earlier models like my 2000. Please let me know if I am wrong.

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Re: Clutch Bleed - Where is bleed screw?

thx Tony & John... I see "we" (as in the two of you ) still have opposing views on the necessity or otherwise of speedbleeders :-)
I watched the Youtube clip on bleeding the brakes on an R1 as an example of how to bleed and when they swap to a speedbleeder it seemed to be so much more simple, and somewhat quicker without the open>pump>close>release>open cycle of adjusting the bleeder valve.

John, when you say they don't make any for the six ports on the ABS... can you explain what you mean.
I've never personally bled brakes or seen it done, so still a little mystefied with some of it.

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Here is the "six" on the ABS unit. The first one shows the front control circuit ports while the second one show the rear control circuit ports. Also shows the sequence for a bleed with you repeating #1. For a flush only (no air introduced) just pull fluid from port #3 on front and rear.

As far as open>pump>close>release>open cycle, I don't do that either. I just put the tube on the port elevate the bag and open the bleeder and pump until the fluid changes color. No need to cycle since air cannot flow down the tube back into the bleeder. But hey if you want to give SpeedBleeder.com more of your money go for it I just use their bag and hose for $6.

I have used them on my MGB and had a hard time telling when I had them fully closed due to the sealant on the threads, which also made it hard to tell when they were open enough to flow fluid. I was always afraid I would strip them out.

That chart you show is for the 99-early 2001 only. They never did update their site correctly.
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John, I am assuming that Speed Bleeders would be appropriate on the earlier models like my 2000. Please let me know if I am wrong.

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Yes they do have them for the early ABS bleed ports M10 short.

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Thx John, always glad to get a well thought & explained response.
I've got Paul Sayegh's DVD's enroute also... hopeful that between all this info it'll make sense at some point!
Next time you feel like videoing something... how about a brake-bleed (and clutch bleed) on an 05+
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If you want to do a clutch bleed via Skype this weekend, drop me an email and we can try to arrange a convenient time. I did mine last weekend, but it is so quick and easy I do not mind doing it again so you get a look/see and then can do yours whilst connected.

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Thanks Tony! I don't have the parts yet to do it, still have to order the bleed bag and get clean DOT 4 etc. Just starting to line up all my ducks for the 100km service in a couple of months time.
If we can organise a Skype to discuss how its done that'd be a big confidence booster.
Will email seperately!
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While speaking of bleeding / flushing the clutch...............
I thought you might have fun with My "Hoopty" setup for for clutch cyl bleeding.
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That is a great idea. I have everything to do that with but never considered it.

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Thanks Tony! I don't have the parts yet to do it, still have to order the bleed bag and get clean DOT 4 etc. Just starting to line up all my ducks for the 100km service in a couple of months time.
If we can organise a Skype to discuss how its done that'd be a big confidence booster.
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Red face Re: Clutch Bleed - Where is bleed screw?

I knew I forgot something! Bugger!
Sorry Tony, got dragged out ( no really, I did ) for an early morning ride with friends and just got back. Just a quick run that turned into near 300km.
Probably way too late for you now....

And to make matters worse, I've just found my right trunk hinge broken away from the plastic mounting point.....

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