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post #1 of 21 Old Mar 25th, 2006, 8:03 am Thread Starter
 
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1ST gear what..is it me

It seems when the girl is cool 1ST from neutal is a pain .I'm sure this cannot only be me....so what is the trick or do I just have to roll it and look like a fool w/temp tags??

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post #2 of 21 Old Mar 25th, 2006, 8:07 am
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Yep, they do that sometimes. I just fiddle with the clutch a bit a it goes. Pretty soon you won't even notice it once you find her sweet spot.

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post #3 of 21 Old Mar 25th, 2006, 8:18 am
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Put slight downward pressure on the shifter and slowly let out the clutch until it slips into first. Happens to all of us. Make sure you don't pound down on the shifter as this will cause the linkage to break.

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What I've found in my extensive week long ownership of the LT, is that a small press forward usually lets it slip into first. The interesting thing is that my K75S required a small press backwards to slip it into first. Rolling it back doesn't do a thing for the LT and rolling it forward wouldn't do a thing for the K75S. I know, different generations, different trannys, etc, but each model has it's unique features and it just takes some trial and error to figure out what works. Good luck.
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post #5 of 21 Old Mar 25th, 2006, 8:24 am Thread Starter
 
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Thanks guys been pounding it..won't continue but as a glitch it really can be embrarassing!!!

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post #6 of 21 Old Mar 25th, 2006, 9:13 am
 
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After some toe tapping you will become accustomed to it and no problem. Good Luck and enjoy.
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If I pull the clutch lever all the way in I have the same problem as you. Try pulling it in only about a third of the way in. Its a LT thing

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post #8 of 21 Old Mar 25th, 2006, 9:28 am
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you let the clutch out a third or so a gentle push down on the shift lever will put it in every time.
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Once you learn to use the clutch properly when doing it, you will not even think about it any more. You have to push down on the shifter, then let the clutch out just enough to move the gears a little, then it clicks in.

Another way: have the clutch all the way out in neutral, then time it so you pull the clutch back and push down on the shift lever just as the clutch lever gets all the way back, the gearing is still moving and it shifts easily.

This tranny is not like a car one, which has synronizers. It has shift "dogs" which line up with the next gear. If they are not aligned, it will not shift. It takes a little movement of the gearing to allow them to align.

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Yep, that's normal. One trick is to put light pressure on the shifter and slowly engage the clutch a little, with an additional rocking of the bike front to back. this wil usually line things up quickly, engage 1st, and off you go.

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Seems like every bike I have owned has been the same way. David is right about the transmission. Learned from riding Moto Guzzi's for 20 years to make sure I was in neutral before coming to a stop. It was very hard on the clutch release too sit at a light while holding the clutch in. Maybe there is a connection here on why the clutch slave cylinder goes out early because of holding it in for longer periods of time at stop lights. How many of you guys find neutral before coming to a stop??

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Seems like every bike I have owned has been the same way. David is right about the transmission. Learned from riding Moto Guzzi's for 20 years to make sure I was in neutral before coming to a stop. It was very hard on the clutch release too sit at a light while holding the clutch in. Maybe there is a connection here on why the clutch slave cylinder goes out early because of holding it in for longer periods of time at stop lights. How many of you guys find neutral before coming to a stop??
That's a good idea if it does, indeed, result in less clutch wear but they taught us in the MSF BRC to keep the bike in first gear when stopped so you can execute an escape maneuver in case someone runs a red light (from behind you), or some other scenario.

What's the word, Mr. Shealey and other experts -- excessive clutch wear while holding it in at a light?

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All manual shift vehicles do that. I don't like the method of slight pressure & letting the clutch out. What I have always done whether it is a truck or bike is let the clutch out in neutral, pull it back in & shift.
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That's a good idea if it does, indeed, result in less clutch wear but they taught us in the MSF BRC to keep the bike in first gear when stopped so you can execute an escape maneuver in case someone runs a red light (from behind you), or some other scenario.

What's the word, Mr. Shealey and other experts -- excessive clutch wear while holding it in at a light?
I always held the clutch in when stopped for lights etc. I did have two failed slave cylinders, the first was at 4500 miles though, so cannot relate that to anything other than faulty cylinder from the factory. The second one was at about 85,000 miles, and the failure mode was the release bearing in front of the slave cylinder piston tightened up and spun the piston in the cylinder. It is entirely possible that holding the clutch in when stopped could have contributed to that, causing the bearing to be spinning under load a lot over time.

Even if I thought that was the case though, I would just replace the cylinder at around 60K, and still keep the bike in gear when stopped. Just the way I rode, and liked the ability to move quick if needed.

The clutch itself does not suffer from that though, The one I replaced at 85,000 miles was only worn about 0.015" compared to the new disk, and the pressure plate and housing cover were still in excellent shape, no grooving or heat checking, so I just cleaned the brake fluid off them and re-installed everything with a new clutch disk.

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Pull the clutch lever in and immediatley tap the shifter. Don't wait for the gears to come to a stop.
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post #16 of 21 Old Mar 25th, 2006, 11:33 am
 
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I just double clutch to get it in 1st. works every time.
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Many good thoughts...the remaining in gear for a wayward cage is very tempting,I would hate to see it growing in the rear while stabbing @ the lever!! Many moronic drivers nowadays...

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Many good thoughts...the remaining in gear for a wayward cage is very tempting,I would hate to see it growing in the rear while stabbing @ the lever!! Many moronic drivers nowadays...

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Yes, exactly my point. There is a newer thread here that shows a cruiser dash camera's video of a biker getting nailed by a moron running a red light: http://home1.gte.net/res0ak9f/bike.htm

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Thanks all-the clutch release w/pressure on shifter works like a charm!!

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I haven't owned a bike yet that you didn't have a few of it's own idiosyncrasies. They come free of charge!
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I haven't owned a bike yet that you didn't have a few of it's own idiosyncrasies. They come free of charge!
Just like us riders.

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