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post #1 of 24 Old May 5th, 2012, 4:24 pm Thread Starter
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I would never buy a BMW!

I have to say, I would never buy a BMW if I came to this site first. WOW, all you read is problems, it is very depressing. I may have to ride seven or eight hours to get over todays read.
If I didn't know how great my LT is to ride and how few problems most ever have, I would not buy one.
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post #2 of 24 Old May 5th, 2012, 4:28 pm
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Re: I would never buy a BMW!

If we let everyone know that they are great bikes then everyone would want one. All the negative posts are there for a purpose. Keep the riff Raff away. :-)

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I have to say, I would never buy a BMW if I came to this site first. WOW, all you read is problems, it is very depressing. I may have to ride seven or eight hours to get over todays read.
If I didn't know how great my LT is to ride and how few problems most ever have, I would not buy one.
Many years ago I had a boss that told me a customer that has a bad experience tells fifty people. A customer that has a good experience tells maybe five.

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Re: I would never buy a BMW!

I came here before I purchase mine I have had it for two weeks now and loving it. It is a good place to find out what to look for before you buy.
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I have to say, I would never buy a BMW if I came to this site first. WOW, all you read is problems, it is very depressing. I may have to ride seven or eight hours to get over todays read.
If I didn't know how great my LT is to ride and how few problems most ever have, I would not buy one.
You think this is bad go to Bimmerforums.com and see how crappy the "Ultimate Driving Machine" is. I love my 330Ci by the way.

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But lack DE, MA, RI and CT with the 2005 LT

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post #6 of 24 Old May 5th, 2012, 7:15 pm
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Well sites like this are for us to help each other solve problems. If you want to see posts about how K1200LT is better look at GL1800 or HD sites to see people saying how much better it is than gold wing or flhtcu.

But if it makes you feel better...

K1200LT

BEST BIKE EVER

How may people out there ride 200+ days per year in north east US?

The only time I do not ride the bike is when it snows.

I've been doing this for 11 years. 200 or more days a year every year for 11 years.

For the last 5 that has been on a K1200LT and it is far better than my previous bikes.

More performance than I can use but it is there when I need it. Great comfort. Outstanding ABS. Heated grips and seat when it gets cold. Adjustable windshield (this is a BIG deal). Great luggage. Radio works well. Lighting on newer models is very good. 50MPG!!!

It even has a horn that doesn't sound wimpy. (first inspection when they tested the horn someone in the shop shouted "hey we don't work on cars in this place")

It is even tall enough that giving up the 36" seat height of my last bike did not feel like too much of a sacrifice.

When it does need work it is pretty easy to get to everything once you deal with getting the plastic off which is of course part of every full faired bike.

Are there some known issues that might come up down the road? Sure but the key point is they are KNOWN and well documented here and if I need to deal with clutch or final drive issues or whatever there is enough information available here to deal with it.

Would I buy one again? Well, yeah actually I did this is my second K1200LT I had a 2003 and had a great offer to trade in on a new 2009 so I did. I will not be looking for a new bike for many years.

How's that?

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Greetings all

I have a '99 LT. Short of regular services, she never sees the inside of a workshop and behaves perfectly.

Cheers and kindest regards to all

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Re: I would never buy a BMW!

My 2009 has left me on the side of the road twice and spent 22 days in the shop for another reason. Now my final drive is now leaking a little. I'd buy another one in a heart beat. Power, comfort and bells & whistles make this the greatest touring bike on the road. I wish there were more dealerships but that has nothing to do with bike. Machines brake, all of them.
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Re: I would never buy a BMW!

A lot of Kool Aid drinkers here!

:-)

99% of this forum is about 4% of the bikes. The rest are out riding and having the time of their life.

A great forum about a few great bikes...... K1200LT and the K1600 .....

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A lot of Kool Aid drinkers here!

:-)

99% of this forum is about 4% of the bikes. The rest are out riding and having the time of their life.

A great forum about a few great bikes...... K1200LT and the K1600 .....
I can relate to WhittleD's summations. The more I read this forum in the beginning, the more I started to wonder if ownership was really worth it, but I went ahead and took the bait when a deal came along, and that was after visiting this site for about 10 months. Now that I have, I wonder if I'll be like so many customers I had as a cager mechanic. They were able to buy a used model of whatever luxury brand they had, but they didn't stop to think the prices of replacement parts and labor is the same for them as those of a new model. I've recently commented on comparing the LT to an exotic- hope it's not like those garage queens like the Maseratis.

So Dan, I'm praying God smiles upon me and makes my experience part of the other 96 percenters.

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IMHO I suspect the reason it seems that way when compared to other bike forums is that other forums are dedicated to one model only, so for example the VTX forum has a tech section for the bike and a separate general area where people talk about their experiences. If I read the tech section on the VTX, I'd also be thinking it's unreliable, but the truth is that bike is known for it's rock solid reliability. not a criticism f this forum layout, it's just different. The poeple on this forum have been super helpful to me so far. I would also point out that generally the more complex any machine, the more maintenance is required. As said above, the Goldwing is a perfect example of this.

I'm happy so far with my ride, even with a fuel pump relay issue that I hope will be solved in the next few days.

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post #12 of 24 Old May 6th, 2012, 9:50 am
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Ya got it all wrong. I came to this site and realized there was NOTHING that would go wrong with it that SOMEONE hadn't documented. I've hung out in fora with 100 times the membership and it didn't have the skill density of this place!

FWIW, I had three options: Harley (which I didn't want, it wasn't 'me'), Goldwing (which I didn't fit), and the LT, which fit me to a 'T'.

I didn't have much choice, and I'm not complainin!

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Ya got it all wrong. I came to this site and realized there was NOTHING that would go wrong with it that SOMEONE hadn't documented. I've hung out in fora with 100 times the membership and it didn't have the skill density of this place!

FWIW, I had three options: Harley (which I didn't want, it wasn't 'me'), Goldwing (which I didn't fit), and the LT, which fit me to a 'T'.

I didn't have much choice, and I'm not complainin!
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I came here before purchasing too, some scary post but they made me an informed purchaser, and there are just as many post or more on how to properly deal with the issues mentioned here. A lot of sites you get the complaints and no solutions forthcoming.

Now who wants to help me inspect my final drive?

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If it wasn't for this place, I won't have my LT :-)

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If it wasn't for this place, I won't have my LT :-)
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It made a world of difference with me. Learned a lot about my K1200LT and met some really fine people to boot. Really looking forward to meeting some of my virtual friends this summer in MN.

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Re: I would never buy a BMW!

I would never buy a BMW either. I bought two.

I think the BMW site here is more prone to discussion of problems and fixes than other makes. I believe that is a result of the sparse dealer network which makes us more prone to fix them ourselves when we can. I've never seen any other site with the expertise available here.

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The difference between this forum and many others is the technical level of the articles vs the crap and sniping seen on many of those (forums). People here have a genuine passion and are happy to share in any discoveries made or knowledge gained. A real credit to all I believe, and whilst ever it remains that way the forum will only improve. End of serman, I will now dismount.

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++++++ all the way here !!

What you need to know about the LT is all on here, where else are you going to find so much knowledge from riders who actually 'Do' their own fixes under one roof ??

Advice like this only costs $$$'s at your dealer and these guys both love their bikes and ride em !

Being informed about the possible faults of a set of wheels give you a choice 'buy it or dont' but on the other hand you dont hear about the thousands of miles covered by riders with grins from ear to ear

It's LT for me......

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Interesting thread. I substantially sympathize with you in this. It can look kind of scary. I was very encouraged though, by the replies given to it. Greg.

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I was eyeing a beautiful 2000 Canyon Red K1200LT. She was stunning. I was in complete awe for the first few moments. Being a mechanic by trade, logically I started to look at the maintenance aspect of this dream vehicle. I was a bit intimidated by the website to say the least. What the hell is a "Weep hole"? They sure talk a lot about this thing called "Farkles". Do I get that from long rides? Is there a cream or something I can use for relief? I did find out farkles are contagious! I found like twenty brown wires, and which on am I supposed to just cut? My wife knows EVERYTHING about tupperware, so maybe she can help figure out how to get all this stuff off. How could anyone do a mod that's callet "Ghetto"? These fellas sure do get upset when someone asks "What oil is best?" or, "Which tires can I run". It might be best if I just watch for a bit and learn....HEY! CHECK THIS OUT! A SEARCH FUNCTION!
I agree with many members here, I could not afford to own such an outstanding piece of fine machinery if I had to shell out the cash to a dealership for every little thing. This site makes living the dream possible, and enjoyable. Now, I have owned three K1200LTs, one sold during a divorce (I missed my bike more), and one sold when headed overseas for an extended time (trip cancelled four days later). Now, I will never sell Roxy.
Thanks to all of the unbelievable knowledge on this website, and all of the input. Most likely, somewhere, someone has experienced what is happening to you right now. If not, the brains on here will dive into a problem, and stick with you until it is fixed. Even some of the smallest problems are addressed. Awesome.
Finally, if the point of this topic is to deter, than let me say that my K1200LT is a "Garage Queen". She spends every night inside my garage, and maybe sixty days a year. You will find yourself washing and waxing her constantly. You will get good at pulling tupperware off, and BMW Boneyard may get to know you by name. Like I said, I have owned three, and I will never buy another. (Unless Roxy is stolen)

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When i went to look at my LT prior to purchase it had the broken QD fuel leak. After only five minutes on this board i understood where the leak was and how to repair it. Got a SMOKIN deal on my LT thanks to this fuel leak and it took me less time to repair the problem than it did to remove the tupperware for the first time. Yes there are people posting issues on here and that made me a little nervous, but i soon realized that alot of the problems on here are people working on their own bike and making mistakes which in turn cause issues. Not a big deal really. I LOVE my LT and so does the wife which means i get to ride as much as we have time for. I managed to get in 14000 miles on my first year with this bike.
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I too bought my bike in part due to the knowledgeable people on this site and their willingness to help diagnose issues. ( I bought my Audi A8, with the exact same resources available at the Quattroworld A8 forums.) Sites like this make the internet awesome! Now it's time for a beer!
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Haven't been on the site in like 9 months. Know why? I haven't needed any help or advice! My '01 just turned over 98,000 miles (I know - practically nothing) and guess what...my final drive still works! Of course, I'm probably jynxing myself. :P

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Re: I would never buy a BMW!

I too am impressed with the knowledge, freely given, in all aspects of riding,maintaining the LT. I also was a little intimidated by all the things than are known to go wrong.......but like was stated, the actual percentage isn't all that high.

The Concours owners group is the only other bike forum I have seen that has the knowledge and helping attitude of the LT forum. It may also have to do with the avg age of the groups??

Kudos to the regulars who have BTDT.

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