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post #1 of 34 Old Apr 27th, 2012, 10:23 am Thread Starter
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Oil filter lid bolt interference

I am changing the oil on a 2008 LT I bought last fall and have found that one bolt interferes with the center stand. So I am unable to finish the oil change. Do i need to put the bike on the side stand and then loosen the center stand? What else can i do?

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Re: Oil filter lid bolt interference

center stand or skid plate?

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Re: Oil filter lid bolt interference

I removed the skid plate just to access the third bolt to the filter lid. I can back the bolt out almost all the way. then it interferes with a centerstand support member.
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I removed the skid plate just to access the third bolt to the filter lid. I can back the bolt out almost all the way. then it interferes with a centerstand support member.
Um, I've probably done 30 oil changes on 2 LT's in 200K miles on the center stand and I don't ever remember having any of the issues you mention... Perhaps the power center stand is the issue? (mine didn't have it)


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Yes the 2008 has the power center stand. I am sure it is related. I am thinking to take the bike off the center stand and use the side stand and see if there is still some interference.
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Is this what you a referring to?
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Re: Oil filter lid bolt interference

I have a 2005 which has the power center stand and I have no problem doing the oil change. Remove the skid plate and should have no problems.

Must be something else there.

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I have a 2009 which has the power center stand and I have no problem doing the oil change. Removed the skid plate and no problems.
I have changed the oil and filter twice. No issues.
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Re: Oil filter lid bolt interference

I am at work today so do not have a picture of the interference. I removed the skid plate to get to the bolt. So your picture does not describe the problem. thanks for sending it. At this time i cannot remove the bolt behind the skid plate. I am going to try again this evening.

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Re: Oil filter lid bolt interference

After removing the skid plate cover (two allens and two 10mm nuts) there can still be some interference if the skid plate frame has impacted something. You can just loosen the two rear bolts in the frame a small amount while still on the center stand to get enough clearance.

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thanks John, I will try loosening the center stand bolts a small amount to reduce the interference. hopefully that will work.
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Re: Oil filter lid bolt interference

Not the Center stand bolts (four in the main CS frame) just the two bolts in the recesses at the rear of the skid plate frame (bolts go into the CS cradle).

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Re: Oil filter lid bolt interference

It seems I'm liking my '02 even more now. I've never had to remove anything other than the drain bolt and the 3 sump cover bolts to change my oil and they're all easily gotten to, even with a skid plate.

The only thing I've had to move under there is that muffler bracket when changing the transmission oil. It's definitely in the way. Is it your transmission oil you're changing?

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It seems I'm liking my '02 even more now. I've never had to remove anything other than the drain bolt and the 3 sump cover bolts to change my oil and they're all easily gotten to, even with a skid plate.

The only thing I've had to move under there is that muffler bracket when changing the transmission oil. It's definitely in the way. Is it your transmission oil you're changing?
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It seems I'm liking my '02 even more now. I've never had to remove anything other than the drain bolt and the 3 sump cover bolts to change my oil and they're all easily gotten to, even with a skid plate.

The only thing I've had to move under there is that muffler bracket when changing the transmission oil. It's definitely in the way. Is it your transmission oil you're changing?
Something else must have happened to his bike as I have no problem removing the cover bolts on my 2007 LT. one does have to remove the sheet metal skid plate, but once that is off the bolt will come out. It is close and can be a little of a pain to get the wrench in there, but the bolt itself will clear. It sounds like something on that bike has been bent or assembled wrong.

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Something else must have happened to his bike as I have no problem removing the cover bolts on my 2007 LT. one does have to remove the sheet metal skid plate, but once that is off the bolt will come out. It is close and can be a little of a pain to get the wrench in there, but the bolt itself will clear. It sounds like something on that bike has been bent or assembled wrong.
Not on mine either but I have seen a few that must have hit something (speed bump) and were bent upwards at the front. It wouldn't take much to do that.

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You simply need to round the head off one of the 3 screws that hold the cover plate on,, all 3 come out OK,, when you try to re install them 1 will not clear going back in. Simply roll the head across a benchgrinder ever so slightly and you will see it clears going back in.. Be carefull not to let the benchgrinder grab it and toss it across your garage.. It put red fingernail polish on that one..
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On my 05, there is one bolt on the cover to the oil filter that just hits the frame tube (or what ever it is) with just a few threads left. Just work it out with my fingers and it is fine. Same going back it, a bit of patience and a little wiggle, it starts and then hand tight up til the wrench will fit.


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And the two bolts in the skid plate are longer than the 3 bolts in the oil filter cover. If they were mixed up for some odd reason, it would be too long to come out past the centerstand. The short bolt barely clears as it is. ........

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OMG! After reading this am I wondering what is the powered center stand really needed for? Is it really worth enough to compensate the extra weight, all extra problems it brings with it! I could not imagine it interferes even to oil change

Always had an opinion LT being one of the easiest bikes (I have had) to put on a center stand and I am wondering all the comments of people not "daring" to lift it on it? Does not compute... Perhaps I just have had too heavy bikes or bikes with extremely bad center of gravity.

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OMG! After reading this am I wondering what is the powered center stand really needed for? Is it really worth enough to compensate the extra weight, all extra problems it brings with it! I could not imagine it interferes even to oil change

Always had an opinion LT being one of the easiest bikes (I have had) to put on a center stand and I am wondering all the comments of people not "daring" to lift it on it? Does not compute... Perhaps I just have had too heavy bikes or bikes with extremely bad center of gravity.
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Technique will overcome size and weight when it is time to use a non powered center stand.

Back to changing the oil on the K1200LT - My 02 was configured so that I only removed the three screws to remove the plate that covered the filter. Oil changes were easy, messy and quick.

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Well I finally overcame the interference problem by putting the bike on the side stand and using brute force backed the bolt out with a wrench. See the attached pictures of the interference i was referring to. I know most of you thought it could not be possible. I ended also loosening two bolts on the centerstand to allow things to shift even more. i am not sure that they made a difference. After I finally got the lid off I started worrying that the filter would be difficult to remove. I read several threads where people had trouble on a cold engine. It did not turn immediately; so I just applied firm even pressure until it finally loosened the seal. Putting the oil filter lid back on was also challenging wiht the one bolt having to go back in with some interference. I was concerned about cross threading and getting a leak; however it tightened down securely and there are no leaks.

Thank-you to everyone that helped me with this. I now need to bleed the front brake lines. I replaced the fron tire and being a newbie did not realize I could work the caliper off the wheel. So i split the caliper and of course out comes the brake fluid and a little o--ring. I got the o-ring back in but now I need to bleed the lines. Can someone give me a link to an old thread about the best way to bleed the line. I don't have a speed bleeder on this bike so I will have to do it the old fashion way.





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As was mentioned earlier, it looks like your center stand frame is bent forward probably from hitting something like a speed bump.

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Does anyone have a picture of how much clearance should be around the bolt and the power center stand for a 2008 model?

I looked at the stand but there does not appear to be any bent pieces. the stand works properly.

thanks for your reply

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Yours looks a little close. I'll get a pic tonight when I get home.

Even better go look Here . That is what it should look like.

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Wow, I wish I had the Oil Change 101 document before I ever started. That really explains a lot. Thanks for sharing.

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I have a 2009 which has the power center stand and I have no problem doing the oil change. Removed the skid plate and no problems.
I have changed the oil and filter twice. No issues.
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Just changing the oil myself on my 08 for the first time. I found that the same cross tube is interfering with the same bolt as mentioned above. Also the bolts on my skid plate are hex and the bolts on the filter cover are torx. So they couldn't have been mixed up by the last person to change the oil (dealer). I'll try some of the ideas mentioned here to get the bolt out, but I wonder why some bikes are different then others. FYI mine is a California model so I know there are a few changes but that should only be for emissions.
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The tube should not interfere unless it has taken a few "speed bump" impacts. Fairly easy to bend it back out of the way. Some where around 07 or 08 they went to torx on that plate as most of the late model final production runs have them.

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Yep, my '05 centre stand frame slightly interferes with that bolt because it's had a few impacts when stock suspension existed. Since my suspension upgrade the bike sits higher so I'll be marking the centre stand tube where the bolt touches and heating and "remodelling" that tube by means of a slight depression when next I service the undercarriage.

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Yep, my '05 centre stand frame slightly interferes with that bolt because it's had a few impacts when stock suspension existed. Since my suspension upgrade the bike sits higher so I'll be marking the centre stand tube where the bolt touches and heating and "remodelling" that tube by means of a slight depression when next I service the undercarriage.
Same with my 06. I just gently pry it back about 1/16" with a small prybar and lock it in place.

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