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Bike is Too low , need help

Thanks to everyone for the encouraging words while I was “stressing” over selling my R12GSA and acquiring a 2009 LT w/ 7.5K miles in the fastest color black.

The good news is she is perfect mechanical, and body. Not a scratch or even a water mark.

The bad news is she is LOW. She is SO low that I (5’9” 28in inseam) can stand flat foot on the centerstand. If you read my earlier post, the seller would not allow a test drive. In fact I truly believe that he forgot that he had the bike lowered…

She is so low that I can stand with bent knees when she is on the ground. On the way home just making a turn she was scrapping the frame. OUCH and scarred the shit out of me. The frame only had a few scratches, so I believe that the PO did no aggressive riding.

She is missing the rear “preload” and there is an aftermarket shock that I cannot see who makes it. I have only had the bike for 2 hours and did a quick assessment.

The kick stand is shorter and the center stand is also. Neither looks welded nor modified.

There is a gold “knurled” adjustment “ring” at the bottom of the shock that looks like I can adjust the preload, I just need to get in there.

Has anyone heard of a lowered bike to this extent?

I will reach out to the dealer shortly, but wanted to get the collective wisdom before I lose call them.

Thanks in advance,

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I would just invest in a new shock - I prefer Ohlins.

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I would just invest in a new shock - I prefer Ohlins.
I think that is a start,but the side stand and the center stand are also lower??

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One thing at a time, center stands and side stands can be found cheap. Try Beemerboneyard, ebay among others.

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Surely somebody here wants a short LT...

You need to trade somebody the Shock and both stands...

Come on you vertically challenged folks, Speak up...

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Surely somebody here wants a short LT...

You need to trade somebody the Shock and both stands...

Come on you vertically challenged folks, Speak up...

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I got some time to figure this out.

I am traveling all next week, leaving tonight.

I am going to call the dealler and see what he setup for the original owner and see what I can undue.

I am just wondering what the heck they all did?

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Surely somebody here wants a short LT...

You need to trade somebody the Shock and both stands...

Come on you vertically challenged folks, Speak up...

John
Ok, I'm just over 5'7 with a 28/29 inseam, but I wouldn't lower it if is going to interfere with side to side movement. That's one of the great attributes of this bike. Any bike will have a certain feel that you have to obtain with it to be comfortable. The first week I was doubtful, but it got much better after that. If you are going to ride an LT like a Harley, you might as well have a Harley. JMHO

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I called the dealer and the service manager is out today.

It looks like the parts that have been changed is the center stand, the side stand and the rear shock/suspension strut and possibly the front spring strurt.

Anyone think of anything else they might have mucked with?

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Geezzz,
That should be enough to keep you busy for a couple days at least, then there are farkles to deal with.

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Maybe the guy who owned the bike has the parts that were removed - I'd ask.

or possible the dealer that did the work might have the removed parts?

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Here are some quick pictures. albiet large






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Re: Bike is Too low , need help ASAP

Just wondering if the previous owner had under sized tires on it?

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Just wondering if the previous owner had under sized tires on it?

tires

ME880 120/70VB17 Front DOT date = 3507
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Besides being the original tires they look right

Funny observation, the "stubble" on the side of the tires are all still there

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sounds about right, guess that would have been too easy.

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Consider a good set of new or used shocks and see what happens. Worst case scenario have a 2x8 ready to put under the center stand when you are done.


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Consider a good set of new or used shocks and see what happens. Worst case scenario have a 2x8 ready to put under the center stand when you are done.

is that a version fo walk softly and carry a big 2x8 when parking?

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tires...
Funny observation, the "stubble" on the side of the tires are all still there
Maybe new tires were put on as he traded it in? Do the tires look brand new in other respects - perfectly smooth, no differentiation between "center line" tread and side walls?

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"Funny observation, the "stubble" on the side of the tires are all still there"

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Maybe new tires were put on as he traded it in? Do the tires look brand new in other respects - perfectly smooth, no differentiation between "center line" tread and side walls?
Stubble still on the tires because he couldn't lean over the bike far enough because it was so low. LOL

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"Funny observation, the "stubble" on the side of the tires are all still there"



Stubble still on the tires because he couldn't lean over the bike far enough because it was so low. LOL
Of course. I knew that. I mean, that was the obvious answer... right?

Doh...!

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if the date code is correct and I am interpreting it correctly those tires are 5 years old

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Paul - your "lowered" problem has been intriguing. In your photos both stands look factory smooth as though they have not been modified. I know that BMW could have made some changes in the stands between my '05 and your '09 but I don't think that is the case. So I measured mine for comparison. I tried to measure like what I was seeing in your photos. It does look like the measurements on my stands are a little different from yours, for whatever that may be worth. My center stand is about 9" measured from the center of the pivot. Yours looks shorter, maybe about 6". My side stand is a little more than 10" from the outside of of the hinge boss to the tip of the foot. That looks to be pretty close to yours, but from the angle of the photo it's had to tell.

I will be interested to know how you resolve all this, and am expecting that the rear shock is going to make a huge difference.

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The center stand looks short from the cross bar to the pavement pads for a 2009LT. The adjustment knob on the bottom of the shock should be for a dampen or rebound adjustment. I suspect both shocks were changed. Once the type of shock is figured out it will hopefully just need to have the springs changed.

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The stand has been cut and lowered. You could see it if I could get a photo to post!! You just need to buy another stand to replace it with.

Looks like you are missing 3" of the bottom.


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I think I would love to have a shortened center stand. It isn't hard to get it on the c stand but it does take some effort. Can anyone think of a disadvantage to having a shortened center stand on a factory suspended bike?

I don't use the center stand when I work on the bike. I just use a hydraulic jack on the lift.

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Loren,

Most likely depends on how you ride. I don't scrape the bottom sides very often, but when I do, it definitely raises an internal alarm. It's hard to lean very much in Florida, but it does happen from time to time. Maybe if I was further north, I could get used to it again.

The lower the bike, the more often it will scrape.

Just thinking that you might not be able to use a shortened stand with normal suspension! Kinda like being raised up and your feet won't touch the ground.

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I think I would love to have a shortened center stand. It isn't hard to get it on the c stand but it does take some effort. Can anyone think of a disadvantage to having a shortened center stand on a factory suspended bike?

I don't use the center stand when I work on the bike. I just use a hydraulic jack on the lift.

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One disadvantage to the shortened center stand is that you would have to duplicate the setup package that Paul has right now. If you don't lower the suspension at the same time, your center stand probably would not touch the ground. If it did touch, it wouldn't be tall enough to lift the back wheel off the tarmac. And when you duplicate the suspension package in combination with the shortened stand, you get the problem that Paul has now, full blown, a bike that won't corner without grinding tupperware. There may be other disadvantages but this is probably enough to discourage most folks who want to ride. Do you think the original owner modified the bike so much that he couldn't enjoy riding it and therefore didn't ride it enough to justify keeping it?

Just wondering.

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I think I would love to have a shortened center stand. It isn't hard to get it on the c stand but it does take some effort. Can anyone think of a disadvantage to having a shortened center stand on a factory suspended bike?

I don't use the center stand when I work on the bike. I just use a hydraulic jack on the lift.

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The stability of the bike when on the center stand would suffer if you shortened the stand using the stock suspension.
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As long as the rear wheel cleared the ground by any amount it wouldn't affect the stability would it?

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Loren,

Measure the distance to the ground on the rear tire on the center stand. That is the amount you could shave off with out modifing the rest of the suspention. But be aware not all gound is flat so you would run the risk of not being able to use it on uneven pavement. I have parked in a few lots where both tires were on the ground while on the center stand. Not good!

They did a really good job lowering that bike but I agree it is going to take shocks and a new center stand to put it back up to normal clearance.

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As long as the rear wheel cleared the ground by any amount it wouldn't affect the stability would it?

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I would think that to be accurate. Just be careful with the amount removed, allow some leeway for irregular parking surfaces.

If you do it make sure it's with a new tire. You would be removing a small amount due to the distance between the stand and the wheel center line, a little goes a long way.
I don't know if the gain would be worth the effort, maybe.

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I have an "09" also. Got the stock shocks for both ends with 17k on them. Complete, ready to bolt on if you are interested. Have to figure out how much but I'm not greedy.

Why am I here and what day is it??
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Measure the distance to the ground on the rear tire on the center stand. That is the amount you could shave off with out modifing the rest of the suspention. .
Because of a lever effect and using the front wheel ground contact as pivot, I believe that the maximum you could shave off the center stand would be around half the rear wheel ground clearance. Maybe less to keep some clearance.
Probably not worth the effort.

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Thanks everyone.

I have learned that the dealer had the "old" parts and he is going to check if he still has them.

I am out of town all week, and will post an update on my return.

Thanks again

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I have learned that the dealer had the "old" parts and he is going to check if he still has them.
That is great news! Hopefully they will give you the parts, doubt they paid or gave credit for them when they took them off.

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Re: Bike is Too low , need help ASAP

I wouldn't lower the bike as I already get the foot peg drag surprise often enough. What I was thinking about would be the equivalent of placing the rear tire on a board to facilitate placing the bike on the center stand. As John Z points out it wouldn't take much to have the desired effect.

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