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post #1 of 45 Old Feb 13th, 2012, 6:46 pm Thread Starter
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Goldwing (1800) vs a K1200LT _out pull/quicker?

I Did A search and couldn't find a simple answer... Not using right words I guess..

What I'm after is on a GoldWing (1800) vs a K1200LT.. which will out pull the other (quicker to get up to speed)...we not really racing per say.. but you know what I mean...basically a quick jaunt to the 70- 80mph limit

If bikes started out, Rolling go.., will the 07 K1200 LT out pull a pack of goldwings to hwy speeds? Just curious

Wanting to know some of the obvious hypothetical answers from some with experience in this area..
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Re: Goldwing (1800) vs a K1200LT _out pull/quicker?

Not your answer but my 99LT cant catch my 99 C10, but it does a lot better than I thought it was considering that my C10 is up bout 10% in torque from stock as shown on dyno.

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Re: Goldwing (1800) vs a K1200LT _out pull/quicker?

"There is no substitute for cubic inches." No idea what the real answer is, but with 50% more cc's than an LT, I seriously doubt there is any contest.

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Re: Goldwing (1800) vs a K1200LT _out pull/quicker?

I believe the catch phrase is 'There's no replacement for displacement'.

Not sure the LT would out launch a Wing but if the rule was you had to keep the revs between 7 and 8000 rpm it probably would

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"There is no substitute for cubic inches." No idea what the real answer is, but with 50% more cc's than an LT, I seriously doubt there is any contest.

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Re: Goldwing (1800) vs a K1200LT _out pull/quicker?

I've ridden both. The LT cannot keep with an 1800 Gold Wing from a start to 70 mph. However, once you hit the twisties and keep the rpm's up on the LT, it's a different story. The LT handles better (especially with upgraded shocks) and has more clearance for cornering.

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Re: Goldwing (1800) vs a K1200LT _out pull/quicker?

Both bikes have totally different engines in respect to power delivery. the K1200 makes power right up to around 8000 rpm, wheras the GW engine produces peak horsepower around 5500 rpm (from memory). So in essence it means the BMW engine can (and is) capable of operating as a sports engine with quite a wide power band and no tapering off at high revs, where the GW will be braethless if the rider waits too long between gear changes. But make no mistake, the GW can haul arse (ass for you guys in the US), but the Beemer can be made to operate with a sporty feel, especially given the suspension and brakes as part of the package. Depends on what you want and what suits your riding style. In a straight line it comes down to power to weight ratio Hp/Lb (or Kw/Kg) Oh, and don't let anyone tell you about the torque they develop, as torque isn't what flings you up the road, it's the HP, you just have to know where it all happens and be able to utilise it. Check out both bike's power curves to see the differences. Hope this helps.

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The Wing is a tractor. The LT is a roadster...............

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[QUOTE= Oh, and don't let anyone tell you about the torque they develop, as torque isn't what flings you up the road, it's the HP, you just have to know where it all happens and be able to utilise it. Check out both bike's power curves to see the differences. Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]


disagree torque is what "flings" you down the road, horsepower overcomes wind resistance - doubling your speed requires four times the horsepower - watch youtube topgear video about Bugatti Veryon where "Captain Slow" explains about the key that limits it's horsepower to 270 for a top speed of around 300 kph, the other 730 horsepower is for the range of 300 to top speed of 407 kph

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Re: Goldwing (1800) vs a K1200LT _out pull/quicker?

In a quarter mile drag race their performance is almost identical.

0 to 60?, yeah, the Wing will win every time. It's engine makes more torque low in the power band than the LT's does at maximum output. It's an excellent engine. The only penalty for the extra 600cc's is you get to visit the gas station a lot more frequently than on the LT.

Once the road starts to curve there is absolutely no comparison, the LT is by far the better performer and in the hands of a capable rider can keep up with most sport bikes, (if the straights aren't too long) The main reason it is so much better in the curves is that the brakes are sublime, it has quite a bit more cornering clearance AND it is "flickable" - even at 800 lbs!
The Gold Wing is a full sized couch, the LT is more of a "Love seat".

They are BOTH very outdated, (don't forget the current iteration LT was designed 15 years ago) but even though they are antiques are hard to beat for two up riding in comfort.


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I've owned both bikes at the same time, 2002 LT & 2008 GL1800.
The GL has more low end torque, and leaves the line & accelerates faster than the LT.

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They are BOTH very outdated, (don't forget the current iteration LT was designed 15 years ago)...
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I agree with Brian..........."the older the violin........etc..."

As far as the rest of it goes........get the LT into the twisties and it will out perform the Wings..........some wings have been modified to really work well in the canyons but if the suspension on the LT has been upgraded; well, there ya' are............



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Since one had a wet clutch, and the other has a dry clutch that doesn't seem to like much abuse...why bother? They're both faster than the cages, by a margin!

I know when I treated my LT's clutch like the wet clutch on my VTX, it took it's happy time slowly matching down to the 3000rpm the motor was currently running at. (This was accelerating from the side of the road on an interstate.) My thought was: Not sure it that's right or not...but I'll not try it again...just in case.

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Had a GL1800 have an LT, If the GL is faster off the line....It just means you rocket to bordom faster..Ho hum..Zzzzz Faster or slower, the LT is just Fun, fun, fun!!!!!!

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[QUOTE=gary45]disagree torque is what "flings" you down the road,

I suggest anyone who is interested in understanding the difference between torque nad horsepower and their relevance to performance Google the subject, there are plenty of credible articles available to help clarrify. Physics - laws which can be tested but not broken.

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disagree torque is what "flings" you down the road,

I suggest anyone who is interested in understanding the difference between torque nad horsepower and their relevance to performance Google the subject, there are plenty of credible articles available to help clarrify. Physics - laws which can be tested but not broken.
Although the members on this forum seem to have better than average intelligence (which is not saying much nowadays), most people still get confused about torque vs HP. That's because the accurate explanations are difficult to understand, and the simplistic explanations are wrong.

Here's the simplistic explanation I use to keep it straight in my head:

Torque is what we feel as change in momentum. That sensation of being pulled.

Horsepower is what we experience as top speed. That sensation of the countryside flying past our facemask as a blur.

In the end, because torque and HP are related (HP is a function of torque), what matters is not the total figures, but the power curve of the engine. And what power characteristics you prefer. If you enjoy having your arms yanked out of their sockets from a standing start, get a V-twin. If you enjoy smooth and progressively quicker acceleration at speed, opt for a 4-cyl. The Gold Wing is actually somewhere between the two.

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Grab this quick, as I think the Domain is about to expire, but this is the best description I've found of Torque v. HP:

http://vettenet.org/torquehp.html

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There are two fundamentals of engine design here:

The GL1800 vs the K1200 (and in fairness use the '05 and later 116 HP) the GL is quicker off the line. As I recall, MCN published a nearly full issue comparison article in '05 when the 116 HP version of the LT was released between the GL and the LT. My recollection is that 0 to 60 mph, the GL was quicker.

But, the GL1800 is a two valve engine, while the K1200LT is a four valve. At higher RPMs and further up the torque curve the breathing efficiency of the 4 valve head begins to dominate the physics of the situation and I'd imagine that a 60 to 80 MPH roll on acceleration would go to the LT because of breathing efficiency. Also, its entirely possible, though I don't know for a fact, that the K1200LTs absolute top speed could be a bit higher than the GL. Where the torque curves peak, what the absolute torque is, combined with aerodynamics would determine which has the higher absolute top speed.

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which ever puts the biggest smile on your face. GW might have low-end pull, but I will always remember staying with the guy on the Ducati thru the twisties (after he had almost run me off a quarter mile back). W said (in the intercom) 'I think you surprised him how well this runs!' Gawrsh I LOVE this bike!

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Most people can't blink twice in .45 seconds, .02 seconds on a 1/4 mile is rounding error.

In other words, they are pretty much identical for both

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(PS: Road and Track got 2.9 0-60 and 11.2 in the quarter on the GTL, but their numbers tend to run about .2-.3 faster than anyone else when they test cars, so take it with a grain or three of salt)

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Most people can't blink twice in .45 seconds,
another way to look at it is at 60mph=88fps; 0.45sec is 36.9ft or 4-5 bike lengths...
(actual distance in a heads-up comparison will be different than this simple calculation)

not surprising the LT tries to close the gap by the end of the 1320 though.....

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another way to look at it is at 60mph=88fps; 0.45sec is 36.9ft or 4-5 bike lengths...
(actual distance in a heads-up comparison will be different than this simple calculation)

not surprising the LT tries to close the gap by the end of the 1320 though.....


Also keep in mind those are numbers on a closed strip, ridden by professional riders who do nothing but road test bikes, so even though SOMEONE can rip off a 4.4 0-60, doesn't mean I can unless I got really, really lucky.

(And you kinda' over-simplified the calculations above, remember that it's plenty possible to run, say, a 12-second 1/4 with a terminal speed of 150 in one vehicle, and an 11.5 second in one with a terminal speed of a hypothetical 140, if it gets to 140 a lot faster than the first car. 1/8 mile or 1/4 mile times would be more meaningful for "how fast is this thing" even though the original poster's scenario was "which would get to 70mph highway speed faster?"--if the on-ramp was 1/8 of a mile, how quickly one got to 70 would be more important in OP's scenario, but how quickly the 1/8 mile is covered would tell you "which is faster")

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MCN did test three bikes I think in 05', GW, LT and Harley. I have a print out of the speeds. They did a comparison of 0 to 60 and also 0 to 100mph and 1/4 mile runs. The GW was faster from 0 to 60 (4.35 to 4.85) but the LT was faster from 0 to 100 (12.39 to 12.92). 1/4 mile times were very close, 12.71 @ 102.90 GW, 12.76 @ 104.95 LT. Bikes had top speeds of 130 LT and 129 GW. When you break down the times the the GW is faster to 60 by .50 second . The LT out pulls the GW from 60 to 100 by almost a full second. I ride with a guy who has had three wings and we have done many roll-ons while on road trips and if the LT is in first at around 3k the LT wins. From a standing start the GW wins. The GW just runs out of wind very fast. I have ridden his and they are a torque monster. I think that if the LT had a six speed with a normal low first gear the GW wouldn't have a chance. The Winner of the test was the LT by a large margin.

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Yep, if I had to plow a field I would definately pick the GW... but I like my rows a little more twisty.

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Have had my '05 LT & just bought a new GL1800 intending on keeping the best one of the two, but it's an on going tug of war!
Even pound for pound weight wise they are so close it's scary....including the pathetic lack of luggage storage!
The old LT beats the newer GL w/ several features (fuel range left in the tank, movable windshield, 6th gear, and a gear indicator.) (...I put after market TPM valve caps on the LT.)
Considering my VERY little night experience on the GL I'd say by comparison the LT truly sucks on the night vision end if things, and I have yet to even use the LED's on the GL!

Not many miles yet for a FULLY TRUE evaluation, but so far I agree w/ the posts above about the GL having more torque, ...but w/ half again the eng. size what else do you expect? ....seems that's the same size engine the VW bugs had!
..... oh, but that GL is ONE THIRSTY PIG at the gas pump!
We trade lots of gas (rpm) for that roll on acceleration, and a 6th gear on the GL would solve that, except buyers must not want to ever have to down shift....or so Honda thinks.

I'd say the GL is easier to handle at low speeds in the parking lot (lower center of gravity, I just SIT lower, or lower ratio in 1st gear?)

...is there a way to lower the suspension on a LT?

Now, lets talk about passenger comfort regarding the wind turbulence! I wish someone would suggest some accessory (besides all the air deflector do-dads & crap that I've added to the GL) to get it even close to the environment on a Lt w/ only a V-tech windshield.

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CORRECTION to the previous post!

The Honda GL 1800 has 5 fwd gear speeds, and when in the top gear that's the only time when an indicator light shows "OD" (over drive), but it SOUNDS different with its SIX cylinders than
the FOUR cylinder BMW K1200LT which also has 5 fwd speeds but a continous indicator light in the panel showing 1-2-3-4-5.

When riding the GL in the top gear after having had just ridden the LT, it always seems like there should be another gear to shift into because of the 6 cylinder engine sound. But "OD" is all there is, that's when I'm thinking another gear higher would definately improve the mpg, but I'm no engineer.

In the mix I also had a BMW R1150RT which has 6 fwd speeds continously indicated on the instrument panel as, 1-2-3-4-5-and "E" (for "eficiencey"??) when in the top gear.

Interestingly, comparing the two BMW's I would say the 4 cylinder 5 speed 1200 LT (even at probably ~200 lbs heavier) would generally get better mpg than the 2 cylinder 1150 RT w/ 6 gear choices.

As for an acceleration comparison of the two BMW's, many times I wish I could have had them side by side because they each had a different "sweet zone" for getting to different speeds, but all in all I'd guess it was about the same all the way to the same top end.

I'm quite sure the newer BMW R1200 RT's with enhanced horse power and 6 speed would even be a different story yet........with BOTH more power AND mpg as well.
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WOW, what a thread You may not believe this but this site is biased toward the K1200LT. I think everyone will agree the GW has more torque and will probably win the race you seem to be interested in. There are a lot more things to be considered when making your decision on which bike to buy. How you ride, where you ride, who you ride with, do you ride solo or two up, do you do your own maintenance, what have you ridden before, etc., etc., & etc. A quick test ride on either bike will not answer a lot of your questions. It takes a lot of seat time to bond to a motorcycle. I rode Asian (mostly Hondas) brands for 30 years before I bought my first BMW, a K100RT. It took me quite a while to get used to the different feel and characteristics of the BMW. Everything about the BMW, from the controls, handling, shifting, and performance was different than what I was used to. I am curretly on my 2nd K1200LT and absolutely love it. The only weak point from the factory was the seat. This one point was almost enough for me to give up on it, but with the help of the aftermarket and a Kontour seat my wife and I are now happy. The key to enjoying any K1200LT is learning to ride it properly...KEEP THE REVS UP AND ENJOY THE RIDE!!! It does not like to be lugged around. When leaving a stop light you need to be well past the intersection before shifting into second gear. Short shifting at lower RPM's equals clunky shifting. If you keep the revs up it will pull very strong and it will shift like an automatic and you will fall in love just like I did!
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Re: Goldwing (1800) vs a K1200LT _out pull/quicker?

Look in the similar threads section for a youtube video that compares these bikes with Harley and Victory (http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34896)

Personally. I drive whatever vehicle I'm in like it was meant to be driven. I drive a Truck like a truck, a Miata like a Miata, and the LT like an LT. If I had a GW, I'd most likely ride it the way it was intended and not compare the two. They're both good in their own way...they wouldn't be as popular otherwise.

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Which is quicker? The Goldwing. That's because of the weight of the huge amount of dollars still left in my wallet for buying an LT compared to a similar year Goldwing.... In this economy, assuming both ride nicely (and I'm sure they do) that alone is good enough for me.....

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Why would one even consider a theoretical drag race.

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MCN did test three bikes I think in 05', GW, LT and Harley. I have a print out of the speeds. They did a comparison of 0 to 60 and also 0 to 100mph and 1/4 mile runs. The GW was faster from 0 to 60 (4.35 to 4.85) but the LT was faster from 0 to 100 (12.39 to 12.92). 1/4 mile times were very close, 12.71 @ 102.90 GW, 12.76 @ 104.95 LT. Bikes had top speeds of 130 LT and 129 GW. When you break down the times the the GW is faster to 60 by .50 second . The LT out pulls the GW from 60 to 100 by almost a full second. I ride with a guy who has had three wings and we have done many roll-ons while on road trips and if the LT is in first at around 3k the LT wins. From a standing start the GW wins. The GW just runs out of wind very fast. I have ridden his and they are a torque monster. I think that if the LT had a six speed with a normal low first gear the GW wouldn't have a chance. The Winner of the test was the LT by a large margin.

Just for grins and giggles what were the numbers on the Harley?

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I contend the LT/G test should really be who is the fastest 0-60-0. I'd bet on the LT.

I have both an LT & an R1100RT, and the RT will clean the LT's clock, though the LT gets better mileage.
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Why would one even consider a theoretical drag race.

The LT is a great tourer . . nuff said!
Wellllll its like this. A Legion Rider group I will be riding with has about 8 Or is it 12GW's and few single other brands. I don't know the exact count But they sure do talk about them wings alot..... I have the1st LT in the group. We don't race but I'm sure there would be a getting up to speed can you keep up, kind of thing..I was just curious.

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I found the MCN article I mentioned "remembering" in an earlier post to this thread. It's in an on-line readable file from years back when the 116 HP K1200LT was released and tested for the first time. Interesting reading.

http://www.mcnews.com/mcn/model_eval/200410-GLvsLT.pdf

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It helps to know why you were asking the question. It has all become clear.

I have a friend who has a BEAUTIFUL light blue GW 1800. It's really pretty. He is one of those types who everything he owns rules and everything everyone else owns is shit. My LT has kind of stumped him a bit. He doesn't know enough about it to comment.

He is also an excellent rider. I have no problem letting my kids ride behind him. He has also been a rider for....... well a number of decades.

What I have found when riding with him is that my LT goes longer on a tank of fuel. Unless we are on twisty mountain roads. My mileage plummets and he can't stay close to me in the twisties. He is likely a better rider than me and I would suspect that if he had an LT for a few months I would have trouble keeping up. On the slab? Who cares? Either one is plenty fast. It doesn't take much of a motorcycle to reach 5 over the speed limit and both are plenty adequate. I would think braking is better on the LT although I have no personal experience since I don't ride bikes I don't own.

Bottom line? You will not have to hang your head when you ride with your Honda buddies. Neither will the Honda riders unless you get them on twisty secondary roads. And you want to do this!

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I don't think you have any worries, J. Plus, you'll have the satisfaction of having a bike between your legs, not a couch under your rear. I've ridden wings and they just felt...funny to me. Powerful, fast, smooth...but uncomfortable to me. [in that I wasn't feeling like I was on a motorcycle] That feeling may go away with time on the bike. In any case, the LT felt like a bike out of the box, I love it's looks, the way it rides, the sound, the comfort, the power, the conveniences...having your feet under you...not in front of you. Oh well...in the end, it's what floats your boat that counts.

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The same reason I read Car and Driver and say "well, the new Lamborghini ONLY runs 0-60 in 3.1, the new Porsche 911 turbo is .2 seconds faster" when the chance of me ever cross-shopping the two because I can afford both is exactly the same...zero

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The same reason I read Car and Driver and say "well, the new Lamborghini ONLY runs 0-60 in 3.1, the new Porsche 911 turbo is .2 seconds faster" when the chance of me ever cross-shopping the two because I can afford both is exactly the same...zero
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So what you're saying is: You don't need an armchair, or like football to Armchair Quarterback?

I believe the correct term is "bench racing"--describing when two guys sitting at a workbench brag about how their car is faster because_____

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No contest ... Porsche vs. VW Beetle. The Wing wins. But the LT holds its own in twisty roads (as others have said).
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HP is torque X RPM divided by a constant, I don't remember the constant.
You can have an engine with less torque but a higher red line that will have more HP then a high torque low RPM red line but you have to keep it spooled up to stay in the sweet spot.

Torque wins at the start, HP at the finish.

Torque is what you "feel" when you roll on the throttle, accelerate from a stop, top gear roll on without down shifting, etc. I'll take mine early, flat, and throughout the RPM range thank you very much
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HP is torque X RPM divided by a constant, I don't remember the constant.
You can have an engine with less torque but a higher red line that will have more HP then a high torque low RPM red line but you have to keep it spooled up to stay in the sweet spot.

Torque wins at the start, HP at the finish.

Torque is what you "feel" when you roll on the throttle, accelerate from a stop, top gear roll on without down shifting, etc. I'll take mine early, flat, and throughout the RPM range thank you very much
To a first approximation, torque is what provides acceleration and HP is what provides top speed. If top speed is what matters to you, then it is all about HP. If acceleration is your game, then torque is your objective.

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When I want to drag race Goldwings or Harleys I ride my Honda VTX1800R - no contest. When I want tool around the curves and twisty's or take my wife along, it's the LT. And the best thing - the day I brought the LT home I stopped at Costco to fill up with gas. A woman came from 3 lanes over to ooo and ah over the LT, then told me her husband had a Goldwing and she had told him he needed to trade it in and get one like mine.
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