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One of the hinges on my top case has broken loose, probably due to some our wonderfully rough roads. I have been trying to glue it back together with little luck, it breaks again as soon as I hit a big bump. I cannot fix it with screws as it is not the hinge that has broken but rather the plastic that the hinge attaches to has broken loose. I am realizing I am not using the correct adhesive for the plastic so if anyone has any suggestions I would welcome them.
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I have had good luck with West System G/flex, it can be purchased at West Marine or other marine suppliers.

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I thought you could get to the underside of the plastic. I may be wrong but wouldn't you then want to back it with a piece of metal.

The other thing to look at is to see if a body shop could plastic weld it back together for you.

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I have never used this myself, but there are many positive comments about Plastex plastic Repair Kit.
See article in webbikeworld http://www.webbikeworld.com/t2/plastex-repair-kit/
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Depending how your top case has broken, this can be worth to try.

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I thought you could get to the underside of the plastic. I may be wrong but wouldn't you then want to back it with a piece of metal.

The other thing to look at is to see if a body shop could plastic weld it back together for you.
Unfortunately there is no place to attach the metal. The lower section of the hinge is still attached to the plastic; it is this flat piece that has broken away from the sides. The local dealer has told me that this cannot be repaired and due to the location of the break both the top and bottom sections of the case must be replaced at a cost of just under $2000.

I will call around to some body shops and see if there is a way to weld the plastic back together.
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Haven't you ordered them yet?
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Unfortunately there is no place to attach the metal. The lower section of the hinge is still attached to the plastic; it is this flat piece that has broken away from the sides. The local dealer has told me that this cannot be repaired and due to the location of the break both the top and bottom sections of the case must be replaced at a cost of just under $2000.

I will call around to some body shops and see if there is a way to weld the plastic back together.

Not one of these is $2000...not even new.

A new dealer might be needed.

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How about a picture so all the McGivers can give their 2 cents worth!!!

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Not one of these is $2000...not even new.

A new dealer might be needed.

http://motors.shop.ebay.com/i.html?_...506.m270.l1313


OK, so maybe when new:

Top: $1,1227- http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...30&hg=46&fg=23

Bottom: $1,044- http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...29&hg=46&fg=23

But nobody should ever pay than much. Stay with Ebay if the other attempts don't fix it.

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I'm in the process of fixing mine right now. Used a piece of angle from Home Depot, drilled out the rivets on the bottom half of the hinge. Will drill holes for rivets to re-attach hinge and drill 2 holes through case for bolts. Will post some photos when done.

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Mine broke a couple of months ago and as a short term fix I used some West System epoxy that I had handy. So far it has worked well but I don't think it is a long term solution.

Some 3M 5200 marine sealant might work well also. It is made to be a permanent joint.

Either of these will be available at most marine stores.

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OK, so maybe when new:

Top: $1,1227- http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...30&hg=46&fg=23

Bottom: $1,044- http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...29&hg=46&fg=23

But nobody should ever pay than much. Stay with Ebay if the other attempts don't fix it.
Even the eBay price is just not workable for me and in any case is not a project I would want to undertake. For me it will be either repair it or live with it being broken.
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I have a new unused top, part number 52 53 7 662 999 (Black) that I will let you have for $300 plus shipping, if it will help any. I think from reading your original post that it is the bottom that is broken though.

If anyone else has use for it, let me know. Looks like I will never need it.

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Just finished the repair. The angle I used was a Simpson Strong Tie LS50Z from Home Depot in the lumber section. The rivets were from BMW, part # 07119902265, although you could use any pop rivet. You will have to use a hack saw and grinder to shape the angle. Hope this helps.
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Just finished the repair. The angle I used was a Simpson Strong Tie LS50Z from Home Depot in the lumber section. The rivets were from BMW, part # 07119902265, although you could use any pop rivet. You will have to use a hack saw and grinder to shape the angle. Hope this helps.
It appears that yours broke in a different place than mine did. On mine the horizontal plastic piece that the bottom half of the hinge attaches to broke loose from the sides of the assembly so I do not have anything to attach screws or rivets to.
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I have a new unused top, part number 52 53 7 662 999 (Black) that I will let you have for $300 plus shipping, if it will help any. I think from reading your original post that it is the bottom that is broken though.

If anyone else has use for it, let me know. Looks like I will never need it.
I appreciate the offer but for me right now even $300 is more than I can afford.
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Did your hinge break off from the bottom half of the case? If so, that's what mine did. The three screws hold the angle in place and that's where I riveted the bottom half of the hinge. Can you post a photo of yours?

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This stuff is magic

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Here are some photos as were requested. The globby stuff is leftover adhesive that did not work. What I know now is the Gorilla 2-part epoxy and JB Quickweld epoxy will not work in this application.
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Same problem that I had, just the other side. My fix should work fine for you. It took me a total of a few hours including painting the angle I made and waiting for it to dry. PM me if you want my # and we can discuss. With all materials (including the BMW rivets), less than 15 bucks.

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Riderays way would work or you could make a new bracket that fits down inside and rivets to the bottom case. It looks like all you really need is a new bottom case if you can find one on ebay.


But I would try and make a new bracket to rivet into. My thought would be to make a u type bracket and cut slots up the sides and insert the bracket inside the opening and then rivet or bolt it down inside the case and behind the black panel.

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Try Gorilla Glue

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I'd be tempted to try this. The best glue I've ever found is called "Th Last Glue You'll Ever Need", developed by a Canadian guy and not sold in stores. I saw it at the Canadian National Exhibition, and I thought it was probably snake oil, but after watching the demo and trying other stuff myself, I bought a pack. It works when pieces are pushed together and oxygen is taken away, kind of the opposite of super glue, has some flexibility (unlike super glue) and is so strong that you are warned to ensure when you cut open the top of the tube that there's no glue in there or you will permanently bond your cutting instrument to the plastic bit that comes off....

I have used it on plastic, wood and metal and bonded metal to plastic etc etc and the danged stuff is amazing. I'm told that Boeing uses it on their planes, and I can see why.

It's online at the link below - and it's not cheap - but it really (really) works. It's rare, once set, for the glue joint to break - the material around it will likely break before the glue bond does due to the strength of the bond that it creates. And it doesn't "foam" like gorilla glue so it's quite precise to use (in fact you only use a super tiny amount). You keep it upright in the fridge, and the container does not gum up like super glue. If you're willing to drop $30 or so on glue then give it a try, but be super careful to glue only what you want to glue...

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I appreciate all the advice given on my hinge woes. I tried many, many different glues, only to have the road vibration cause the bond to break (we have some rough roads here). Working on the "what harm could it do" school I tried plain GE clear silicone sealant and it seems to be working. There is enough grip to hold the parts together and enough flexibility to take the constant road shocks without breaking. I will continue to work on this over the winter looking at the idea of a flexible marine adhesive or a bottom half on eBay that is the right color and hope to hold things together until I can sell the bike.
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The "Last Glue You'll Ever Need" is flexible - glued rubber hoses together and it does not break when you stretch them to try to break the bond (the rubber breaks elsewhere before the glue does). But it's pricey. I've used silicone on sue parts of my V-Twin 1800cc Honda, which with 2 900cc cylinders vibrates quite a bit, and it's holding too.

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Rowie, thanks for the endorsement for the Last Glue. I'm gonna get me some of that stuff. I like adhesives almost as much as flashlights!

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The "Last Glue You'll Ever Need" is flexible - glued rubber hoses together and it does not break when you stretch them to try to break the bond (the rubber breaks elsewhere before the glue does). But it's pricey. I've used silicone on sue parts of my V-Twin 1800cc Honda, which with 2 900cc cylinders vibrates quite a bit, and it's holding too.

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Rowie, thanks for the endorsement for the Last Glue. I'm gonna get me some of that stuff. I like adhesives almost as much as flashlights!

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Too funny! My wife says I like silicone just like you like glues. And for the record she is talking about the stuff in a tube! She also says I have alot of flashlights....

On the last glue product, make sure you hold the joint together for a few minutes, then it takes about an hour to reach full strength (the demo's didn't mention the 1 hour part but that's what I've found). In the couple of minutes it's held together, it reaches enough strength to hold itself (remember - works in lack of oxygen), but an hour later it's crazy strong. Keep it in the fridge (upright), and don't cut the tip open unless the glue is definitely not in the tip, otherwise you'll risk glueing a perfectly good pair of scissors together, permanently... I didn't but the remover, but I think I will as it can get rather messy - it's very runny.

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Not to start a glue thread similar to Dino vs synthetic but the coolchem product linked above will bond very quickly although it does take 24 hours to reach full strength. FWIW YMMV
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One of the hinges on my top case has broken loose, probably due to some our wonderfully rough roads. I have been trying to glue it back together with little luck, it breaks again as soon as I hit a big bump. I cannot fix it with screws as it is not the hinge that has broken but rather the plastic that the hinge attaches to has broken loose. I am realizing I am not using the correct adhesive for the plastic

Mark, earlier this summer I needed a special adhesive to fix a storage tank on my camper. I tried the regular "super glue" type adhesives and they didn't hold long at all.

Then a mechanic todl me about RapidFix which comes in two parts - but not the regular two parts. This looks like any super glue but works on most plastics. And it has a filler powder that is used to build up a joint. This stuff worked great for me. You can get it at:

http://www.buyrapidfix.com/BuyRapidF..._RAPIDFIX.html

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My hinge pulled away from the lower case. Solution was to take a strip of metal drill and tap exzisting hinge and use oem tupperware screw's to hinge. Drill 2 holes adjacent to stock hinge in tupperware, insert bmw expanding grommets for oem tupperware screw to mount.
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Interesting - based on the video, Rapidfix and The Last Glue You'll Ever Need look like exactly the same stuff - they both have a "filler" part that works just the same, and also bond super strong with all sorts of different materials. It's good stuff! But back to the OP - I hope you've been able to repair your case..

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Any idea what is causing this issue? Mine broke several weeks ago.
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Interesting - based on the video, Rapidfix and The Last Glue You'll Ever Need look like exactly the same stuff - they both have a "filler" part that works just the same, and also bond super strong with all sorts of different materials. It's good stuff! But back to the OP - I hope you've been able to repair your case..
So far I have fared pretty well with GE clear silicone, it seems to be sticky enough to hold things but flexible enough to withstand the almost constant jolting. I figure I'll only be commuting a few more weeks and then will have the bike out only occasionally. I will certainly be looking into the Rapid Fix as I feel I just do not have enough left around the hinge to attach screws to.
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Unfortunately there is no place to attach the metal. The lower section of the hinge is still attached to the plastic; it is this flat piece that has broken away from the sides. The local dealer has told me that this cannot be repaired and due to the location of the break both the top and bottom sections of the case must be replaced at a cost of just under $2000.

I will call around to some body shops and see if there is a way to weld the plastic back together.
I just fixed mine last week. I made an L type bracket that was approx 6X3 inches long. bent in half, one end was then cut to form 3 "fingers" about 1 inch wide. The fingers then were placed throught slots I cut to allow them to go from inside the case to reach under the hinge rivet area. Holes were the drilled in the fingers, and the hinge, mounting plastic, and fingers were all rivited together. The other part of the bracket was then rivited to the lower case. I used black ABS glue to keep the broken mounting plastic in place. All worked very well. Mount area now solid as rock and bracket does not allow any horizonal hinge movement and adds reinforcement to resist vertical movement.
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....and just to open up a thread that's been dead for a year, I just noticed that either the Dealer or the PO thoroughly effed up one of the hinges on my top case, as well. Tore the hinge plate right out of the bottom of the case. Thankfully, it was a clean break, and it looks like three sides will take glue. So, I'm taking the trunk apart and I notice that BMW has kindly stamped the material of which it is constructed---ABS!! So, I'm thinking, I'll really get one chance to glue this properly--should I reach for the glue that Oatey makes for plumbing assembly of ABS pipes? It has a cleaner and an adhesive component. But since plumbing gets some hard use, and this glue sort of chemically welds the parts together, I'm wondering if there would be enough strength to use as a hinge point? The other thought is to go with the known entity, that is, JB Weld, which in my experience, is quite a wonderful product which does pretty much everything that they say it does. The company makes it quite clear that, with the correct prep, it IS suitable for gluing ABS....and has a wicked tensile strength, to boot. Any thoughts on which way to go? I like the idea of using ABS-specific glue for the job, but if, for some reason, it fails again, I'm going to be pretty well boned.

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Re: Adhesive for fixing the top case

What year/color is your bike? May have access to a bottom you can probably have for price of having it packed and shipped, if my buddy still has the two truckloads of parts I gave him.

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Re: Adhesive for fixing the top case

Thanks, Dep. It's the gunmetal grey case bottom on a 2003.

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I think he has black, canyon red, pacific blue, champagne. Sorry.

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Re: Adhesive for fixing the top case

I really appreciate the offer, in any event.

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